Water Cooling and Fishtanks? 34
mikeb55121 asks: "Today I
was refilling my fish tank and was thinking about water cooling for
my computer. As I spilled the water on the ground I realized that
I was pouring cold water in to my fish tank and that I had tropical
fish and right then it struck me! If I could just hook up my fish
tank and computer together so that it would use watercooling by using
the water out of the fish tank to cool the processor and then go back
in to the tank and keep them warm. In my head it works out just fine
however I don't know if it would be practical in reality.
If such is possible, it would be pretty tight since it would keep my
processor, fish and me happy, all at one time! If any one actually is
going to try this, please email me, as I would like to hear about your
results and to know if an idea of mine actually works for once!" An
interesting thought! If any of you have pulled something like this off,
please share. (And post pictures if you've got 'em!)
yeah! (Score:1)
Re:yeah! (Score:1)
Re:yeah! (Score:1)
I must admit, I don't understand.
Probably a bad idea. (Score:2, Insightful)
Seriously, i was thinking of this myself a while ago, but I only have a 10 gallon tank. I'm pretty sure that using it as a heat sink for anyhing much above a 486 would heat it to the point where it kills the fish. For a larger tank, or a small pond(I have a lager turtle pond in the living room. Large for a pond in the living room, at least.) it might work. I would try it on an empty tank first, to see how the temperature balances. However, i have thought of combining the waterpump with a waterfall effect for the pond. The only problem is if anything goes wrong with the pump(happens a lot), fried chip. But I would love to see if anyoe ocmes up with a working concept behind this.
Re:Probably a bad idea. (Score:1)
Not wishing to be TOO pedantic, I think that's 2 words.
Re:Probably a bad idea. (Score:1)
Re:Probably a bad idea. (Score:1)
Personally, I always thought turtles preferred Pilsner - but it is a COOL solution to the "how do I keep enough beer in the apartment" problem.
Re:Probably a bad idea. (Score:1)
My thoughts on the subject (Score:4, Insightful)
If you allow for the heat generated by the 80+ watts of recommended fluorescent lighting needed for a moderate-sized tank (say 50-75 gallons), the problem that arises is one of keeping the temperature DOWN to the recommended range. Last time I looked at the price for water coolers for a decent-sized aquarium, it exceeded the cost of a mid-range PC (D00d, you're getting a Dell!).
Not wanting to throw (figuratively speaking) cold water on a promising research project, I SERIOUSLY think you are going in the wrong direction by planning to hook up another heat source to your tank.
Re:My thoughts on the subject (Score:3, Informative)
As for the project - I'm not sure about it but one thing I'd definately do is have high flow rate and large diameter tubes. Fish crap is going to build up in that thing - especially if it is a slow flow. If the processor is a high temp AMD you might be cooking fish crap. Not good in terms of cooling and bacteria counts...
Re:My thoughts on the subject (Score:1)
b/a = complete recirculation of the water in just under 10 seconds. Sounds more like the piscean equivalent of a wind tunnel...
Re:My thoughts on the subject (Score:1)
the fred flintstone version (Score:1)
Mike, could you perhaps use a really long piece of plastic tubing? Just coil the tubing on the outside of the case like a big cinnabon. (Secured with duct tape, of course.) The ends of the tubing could run back to the compressor? The pump? Whatever it is in the aquarium that circulates the water and makes the bubbles.
The water would be around room temperature from the tank (plus a few ergs for fishy metabolism? minus a few for evaporative cooling?) Or, for those with no fish in the equation, 15 degrees or so from the tap.
Water has something like 64 times the heat capacity of air. As long as the water kept flowing through the cinnabon, it's bound to take some heat away.
I don't know how efficient this would be. Would the actual amount of cooling make up for having to leave the case on the box? In either case, a hell of a conversation starter.
Ellen
Don't know if you would get much of a difference (Score:1)
Overall, have fun and post your results, I'm curious to know, especially with my 75 gallon tank for my turtles.
Looking at my wife's fish tanks (Score:1)
The only way this could work is if maximum cpu usage would NOT overheat the water. You could then still use a regular tank heater to make up the difference. Wow...the more I think of this it just might work. Someone needs to run some tests and let us all know!
Two things... (Score:4, Insightful)
Secondly, and more importantly, how would you keep crap from growing in your hoses and radiator? Your radiator would be clogged with green hairy crap in no time. Then you'd get horrible flow and inefficient cooling. There is no need for such a large resivoir for your PC water cooling unless you want few fans. You definatly want some horibly toxic life killing chemicals in your coolant though.
Re:Two things... (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course, if the heat exchanger coils leak, your fish will die and bacteria will grow in your waterblock. But that is a risk you take for being l33t.
Re:Two things... (Score:2)
lazy way (Score:2, Funny)
all you need now is a webcam and a cheese website dedicated to tropical fish
here's some links to people using watercooling (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.agaweb.com/coolcpu/build.htm
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/wc1/
http://www.gibtek.co.uk/hardware/watercooling.h
Here are even more links (Score:1)
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_bong
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_blac
http://overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_cc_rad/
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_dden
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_senf
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_senf
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/r_senf
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_jann
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/28sep9
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/18sep9
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/16oct9
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/11oct9
Cooked Guppies, or a wild ride? (Score:1)
Wonder if the cooling block over the cpu would become a haven for high-heat loving algae?
On another side note, I've toyed with the theory of ultra-large bore tubing - IE, basically sticking a tank of water right on top of the cpu, with fans blowing across the top, open to the air - let heat convection do its work, no pump - Though I'm probably missing some of the physics as to why such an obvious approach wouldn't work. If it did, and the fish were smart enough to avoid high heat areas, I suppose you could have fish right in the waterblock itself, with such a setup...
Filtration! (Score:2)
You will need a filter between the tank and your cooling line. Otherwise you'll get fish material (extrement, food, plant matter, etc.) clogging up your CPU cooling system, reducing the efficiency or possibly blocking it altogether. Which will fry your CPU.
Use an under gravel filter, power head, and tubes (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyways, it all depends on how hot your room and computer is.
As for keeping the hoses clean, use an under-gravel filter combined with a power head, and some tubes. I would recommend exposing the water to some air before it goes back into the tank. This will oxygenate it and help to stablize the temperature.
Algae is a bit of a problem, but it all depends on the type of algae you have local to your area. It should be easy to take care of if you have a pipe cleaner.
The biggest problem I see with it, is that you shouldn't be using metal tubes and devices to pass the water through. The metals might leave deposits and/or trace amounts. It still might be useful however, to put a coil of rubber tube in the computer to let it absorb heat from the air inside the computer. I doubt that it is what you're looking for, but I'm sure that it would make a difference.
I'd be interested in hearing how you make out.
Sincerely, and with thanks,
Eugene T.S. Wong
Notes (Score:3, Informative)
I've never tried doing this with a CPU, and am not sure what your fish can tolerate. Find out what the ideal temp for the fish is, then stick them in a smaller tank and run your CPU on full tilt (think SETI@home or the Bovine project) for 24 hours. Watch the temp of the CPU and the tank. Your CPU should have some setup to bring itself down if the temp gets too high, and this fish tank really won't matter too much because you won't have the fish in it - right?
It should be fine, even with a smaller tank. A 55 gallon tank ought be near nothing. For tank lighting (if you do that), get some lights that don't generate heat. You should also have a tank heater if your fish needed it before. You CPU running at it's max constantly should still not come within more than one degree of what the fish is willing to tolerate.
Dual Loops (Score:2)
Why so complex? (Score:1)
As far as dissipating the heat into the tank, why not this idea:
Garner/scrounge a large/long test tube or similar glassware(Hint - Got a dead electric heater around?), with a dual-hole stopper.
Run two tubes into the test-tube, one to the bottom, one to the top. Feed your hot liquid in from the top, and draw from the bottom where the liquid has cooled the most.
Suggest you keep a tank heater in the opposite side - all but the very cheapest are thermally switched, and that way it could cover for the CPU when the system is running under light loads.
Be wary of people who start talking about using soldered connections or metal plates in the tank - It's easy to poison fish - The ecology is a tightly closed loop, and any small amount of exposed metal can translate into a LOT of dead fish.
CORROSION! (Score:2, Informative)
Think I'm wrong? Go to www.overclock-watercool.com and look at the links on water additives like Redline's Water Wetter. Without it, the system had black water and a fouled pump in a couple of days. Of course, Water Wetter will swiftly kill your fish, too, so that's not such a "hot" idea.
If you really want to do this you'll have to build a water-to-water heat exchanger. This is going to be a lot of trouble but if you really want to this would be kinda neat (in a geeky way). If you're unfamiliar with heat exchangers, look up info on nuclear reactors, who have two coolant loops. One is "hot" (radioactive) that cools the nuclear core itself (analagous to your processor), the second is the "outside" loop that never mixes with the "hot" loop but picks up heat from it via a heat exchange ("outside" analogous to your fishtank).
Oh, by the way, you should check out the thermal dissapation figures of the processor you're talking about. My Athlon 1800+ dual setup (watercooled, by Koolance.com) puts out about 80W of heat per processor. I have five of these (I do 3D graphics) and they warm the room in the winter without any heat. Unless you have a truly massive fishtank (large thermal sink) you're going to overheat your fish. They won't boil, but it would definitely kill them.
Calm down... (Score:2)
fish coolers (Score:1)
Definitely a bad idea (Score:1)
fish tank PC cooler (Score:1)
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