Would You Attend a Slashdot Convention? 135
J.J. Lee asks: "I must say that I'm truly touched. I've just read some of the peoples' response to the System Administrators - College or Career? posting and I found it very encouraging that people have posted selfless, useful, encouraging and helpful advice to a complete stranger. I've been a Slashdot devotee for about a year now and I know this wasn't the first time I felt proud to be in such a community. The responses (for the most part) were well though out and had a genuine concern for this young fellow.
Would the Slashdot community be willing to come together for an annual convention or event? If so, what would be the theme and what talks would a convention like this have? Just thought it might be great to meet some people and get to know each other on a non-virtual level."
I've been doing Ask Slashdot for somewhere close to 5 years, and it's been one of the best experiences of my life. I sure wouldn't mind meeting some of the faces behind the nicknames (particularly this "Anonymous Coward" chap), what about you? If not a huge convention, would local
get-togethers be more your speed?
No (Score:1, Insightful)
a. It's probably not near me
b. I'm too poor to travel
c. I don't like other people, especially in person
d. I'm embarrassed enough to be here
e. I'm just lazy
f. I don't want to make myself available for easy capture.
g. I don't have time
h. Other: _________________
Please select your answer(s) above and submit your response.
Re:No (Score:1)
Re:No (Score:1)
Games to play... (Score:3, Funny)
And I forgot... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And I forgot... (Score:1)
Re:Games to play... (Score:5, Funny)
Xix.
Re:Games to play... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Games to play... (Score:1)
Hey. could be worse (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Games to play... (Score:1)
Only if... (Score:3)
Re:Only if... (Score:1)
I WILL KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS!!!!!
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
Re:Only if... (Score:1, Insightful)
"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind."
Re:Only if... (Score:2)
I can see it now... (Score:5, Funny)
I'd come (Score:1)
Though, I personally would not need the trailer.
In Ann Arbor? (Score:2)
Acutally. It would depend on the theme. I go to confrences to learn or to network. What would be the purpose of a
Re:In Ann Arbor? (Score:1)
There would definitely be a bitch session about spelling checkers. But I'd keep my mouth shut. I speak worse than George W.
Hang around with this... (Score:1)
Naw...
but if it happens, make sure that
a) there's food
b) there's firefighters to cut down on the need for the asbestos underware.
blah (Score:3, Interesting)
It would probably be a good vessel on which to piggyback a keysigning party.
But that's about all it would be good for, IMHO. I certainly wouldn't make a special trip for it. I doubt many would.
Mebbe (Score:1)
Pros and Cons (Score:3, Insightful)
Pretty much, to me a slashdot convention sounds a lot like communism: if you could ever get it to work the way you thought it was supposed to, everything would be great...but that's not ever going to happen. Slashdot is undoubtedly a great community, and one that I'm happy to be a part of, but I believe that a community like Slashdot could only exist in an environment like the internet and trying to turn it into a more conventional (no pun intended) community would only lead to ruin.
What I'm saying here is that Slashdot is about up-to-date nerd news, and letting all the nerds who come here every day say what's on their mind (even the trolls). If ever there was a convention, letting everyone have their say would have to go right out the window, and then I don't see that it would be much different than any other tech convention. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, I just don't see this working out well in the end.
Re:Pros and Cons (Score:2, Interesting)
For many of us we make rare apperiences and spend a lot of time enjoying others banter. I think the mix of activists, case modders, opensource purests, people selling their latest and greatest, negatives, positives, coders, users, etc would be like any other convention but we would be spending our time celebrating all of it instead of selling one point of it and hiding the rest for the sake of X Inc. This doesn't mean we have to all speak at the same time the same way I can't read all of the different types of posts on the same page.
Don't be scared. I am sure if it were to ever come about you would find yourself surounded by warm, fun, well informed (maybe a stretch) people like yourself. Embrace and extend ;p
First Reactions (Score:2, Interesting)
Local SOTA (Score:2)
Re:Local SOTA (Score:2)
That's no fun; if the age restriction is only 16 and up, we couldn't even meet at a bar.
Only if the name is... (Score:1)
Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:5, Insightful)
Schedule it a half a year in advance so that I can book tickets and time off.
Book it in a reasonably-priced hotel, or at least near reasonably-priced hotels (like $100/night or less). I pay for conferences out of my own pocket, which means I never attend conferences.
Pick a city that's an airport hub, and central to the U.S. (Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis) so that airfares are cheaper, instead of the obvious and expensive cities like Boston, New York, and San Francisco. And when considering what's an expensive air fare city, think of flights out of smaller towns, not comparing L.A.-->Baltimore tickets.
In short, do this so that the great unemployed can afford to go, and can make contacts. Don't do this as a moneymaker. I've chaired conferences before. I know what they cost, and I know how much money they can make. I also know how easy it is to make them affordable.
If it works, make it an annual event, and pick the same location/city/weekend each year. We can then plan better, and "accidentally" be at a customer site, or on layover, in that city at the right weekend.
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
Pick a city that's an airport hub, and central to the U.S.
In short, do this so that the great unemployed can afford to go
So, american unemplyed can afford to fly half way across a continent and stay in a $100 a night hotel?
I thought I was a well off student because I can afford a $60 a night hotel once a term (work hard to afford that at about $300pw in holidays)
I dont know about in america, but in the uk unemplyment benefit is designed to keep you with a roof over your head and food in your belly. And it barely does that. What kind of a pinko lefty place is America when you can blow 2 weeks benifit on a slashdot convention?
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
Second, the $100 a night sounds outrageous, until you see that most conventions I get flyers for have hotel rooms between $250-400/night. (Let's see, $500 round-trip ticket, $2,000 conference admission, 4 nights hotel at $250 plus tax to $300 -- yeah, I can afford $4,000.) The room shouldn't cost more than getting there. I can at least take one of the cheapo airport hotels the first night, and then move in to the conference hotel for a night, before leaving the next day. (How come hotels never offer discounts for staying more than 1 night?)
Third, we're all ultra-nationalist, terrorist-fighting, god-fearing, flag-waving, hard-working, tax-paying, hyphenated-Americans over here. Welfare is evil, and we never take it, and farm subsidies and tariffs don't count as welfare. (You Brits will recognize the saracasm in there, but the Americans won't.) I wish it were more pinko leftist here. There'd be better foreign policy, fewer rights being violated, better, more consistent environmental policy, etc. etc.
Fourth, I was trying to include students in my overly broad categorization of "the unemployed". So, yeah, I deserve that criticism. I'll make up for it. I wish the conference were run the way the American Association of Geographers (http://www.aag.org) runs their convention (excluding this year's convention in New Orleans, which is hopelessly fucked up). They pick a conference hotel, negotiate a reduced price, advertise the city a year in advance, and list the prices of, and distance to, all the proximal hotels. (I single out the New Orleans conference because this year they booked it late, during Mardi Gras week, didn't reserve any rooms, haven't published the schedule so that presenters and attendees know when they should be there...in short, you're just supposed to book a room for a week at $300/night, wade through crowds of urinating drunk people Mardi Gras celebrators, etc.)
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
Surely it doesnt matter, most cities have some kind of cheap hotels within half hours walk, or a short tube/metro/subway journey. After 5 minutes search I found a double room for $70 near central park. Does it matter if the convention is at the ritz just down the road? how much do taxis cost in new york?
Most conventions I read about are less then $150 for a 3 day bash. I guess some guests are greedier then others.
Doesnt the U.S. have low cost airlines? Out of the holiday season I can fly across europe (to greece) for about $150. Get the right deal and you can fly for about $10-15 each way plus airport taxes (another $20).
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
Uhh... you do NOT want to stay in that hotel. Believe me. Really, really cheap hotels in big US cities are not geared towards conventioneers. They're geared towards psychopaths and drug addicts who exchange their monthly disability checks for a cheap room. It's not exactly the kind of place you would want to bring an expensive laptop. Or cash. Or credit cards.
how much do taxis cost in new york?
I have no idea, but I assume they're the same in New York as they are just about anywhere else -- figure a minimum of $10 to go a city block, and and extra $5 a mile or so in very low traffic areas.
Doesnt the U.S. have low cost airlines? Out of the holiday season I can fly across europe (to greece) for about $150.
Sure. If I plan far enough in advance, I can fly from Fargo, North Dakota to Minneapolis, Minnesota for less than $200, round trip. In fact, during "the holiday season" (which in the US is defined as the "four day weekend near Christmas"), fares usually doesn't go up significantly.
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
A Greyhound bus trip from Fargo to Minneapolis takes about 6 hours. Round trip costs about $60.
A Fargo-Minneapolis plane trip, including check in, is usually about 1 hour, 45 minutes.
So, flying on the plane saves about 8 1/2 hours round trip, but costs an extra $130. It also avoids the downright squalid conditions on the Greyhound bus, which is a big bonus.
Obviously, saving a day of work is worth more than $130 to me, and way more than $130 to my employer, but it's an irrelevant comparison. Everyone I know just takes the three hours to drive a car the 200 miles Minneapolis. Round trip, it's still two and a half hours more than the plane, but at least the tiem isn't as horrid as the bus.
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
If the bus takes that long - I agree - screw it or drive yourself. I personally enjoy car trips - it is my time, my space.
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
And for the record, I would definitely attend a Slashdot convention. It would be very convenient if it was held in Michigan, as my company's plane flies there twice per week. But even if it wasn't, I'd make an effort to attend. I'd likely pay for it out of my own pocket, so I completely agree with scotpurl's suggestions regarding reasonably priced hotels, staging the convention in a city that is a major airline hub, etc...
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
Hold it in Canada (Toronto). Why?
(sings) Ohhhhhh Canada, our home and native land...
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
I'd vote for Minneapolis though, I could stay at at home!
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:2)
I Second that!
Although, michigan would be kinda fun too... not THAT far from MN and much closer to the heart of slashdot
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
Re:Yes, providing you price it reasonably (Score:1)
I was actually hoping to visit the 2600 con this year, just for fun. When I saw the room prices I said "forget it!". For the price of a double occupancy room down there, I could afford a luxury suite in Toronto/Montreal. For crap's sake, I just need a bed to sleep on. I actually keep an inflatable mattress in my car as a last resort. I'd rather sleep in the hatchback than blow 1/3rd of my monthly rent for 6-7 hours of sleep, especially if I'm spending all my time at a convention, amusement park or other. Crazy ? perhaps... Cheap ? I think not, money certainly doesn't grow on trees.
One thing I like about some european conventions is when they reserve some camping space out in the great wide open. Bring a tent, sleep on-site, don't miss a single event. It's usually free with your con pass, or something ridiculously low like 10$. Best of all, you get to stay close to the others, so you can get together and play UT all night on your laptops, rather than isolate yourself in a huge hotel miles away.
Dude, Ever try camping? (Score:1)
Now, parking is another story...
Why not? (Score:1)
Never (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm sorry, but how someone could be proud to be part of a 'community' such as what is found here on slashdot is completely baffling to me. As such for most online 'communities' across the internet. How one can feel companionship from complete strangers that you have never met, will most likely never meet; and will furthermore most likely never want to associate with in real life is beyond logical comprehension.
Slashdot has degraded seriously over the years, this sort of 'community' just does not scale. I'm not refering to serving horsepower here, as the software and hardware actually scales quite well. I'm talking about the fact that such a comminity [in a sense] could not possibly scale to the level that you really have personal attention and the true sense of belonging with your peers. Of course, one could theorize that the system is merely made up of many smaller communities contributing to the great hive of slashdot. This is where the problem arises though, is that these microsystems do not generally follow geographic lines. In the real world , communities usually only form through geographical constraints, unlike the online counterparts.
What I am getting at, is that trying to bring real world contact and sense of community involvement over into the real world would more than likely end up becomming a dismal failure. The chances are slim that your microcommunity fits within a local geographical boundary; and if it does, then there may be some serious problems.
You're Wrong (Score:2)
You must be new here. By "here," I mean "the Internet" and possibly "the world."
Have you never been a part of a physical gathering of members of an on-line community? I've been to a half dozen since 1994, and they've been uniformly fantastic. That's the most common reaction to such events. You should try attending one. They're really great.
-Waldo Jaquith
Re:Never (Score:2)
Re:Never (Score:1)
Hmmm to make this work (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm to make this work (Score:3, Funny)
Hrm.... (Score:3, Funny)
We could mourn Stephen King together...
Sounds like fun.
Tim
Re:Hrm.... (Score:1)
or not...
One word (Score:1)
No (Score:1)
And also, dear
And, if you really want to extend in meatspace, you should rather consider small conferences. With just a wiff of data mining,
My $.04678 (inflation is a bitch).
online... (Score:2)
Meeting in person sounds like a high school reunion... brag brag brag blah blah blah and a few lucky winners have sex only to find out that their partners have misrepresented themselves... He is not really a millionair and she is actually the goatsex man.
you've got to be kidding... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:you've got to be kidding... (Score:2)
And this is a bad thing how?
Re:you've got to be kidding... (Score:1)
Local Get togethers would be cool (Score:1)
local get-together better (Score:1)
I'd prefer a local event - I know there's other folks in the Baltimore area.
I think it would be neat to have presentations or workshops that were decided upon in the same way as interview questions...let people submit their ideas, good ones get modded up, and somebody (who? haven't figured that out yet) picks a set from the 5s.
I would (Score:1)
If we're going to do this, do it right. :) (Score:5, Funny)
Don't make any reservations, and make no effort to alert the local authorities or businesses of any such gathering. Only announce the location at the last minute (but give general area ideas so people can choose to go or not).
Everyone bring at least one computer, and if necessary a portable generator in case massive attempts at leeching power from elsewhere fail. Wireless networks might seem convienent here, but there would be a certain charm to actually running cat 5 cable all over the place.
It'll be the first physical slashdotting. And after witnessing such an event, it might give some perspective to what the poor sysadmins have to go through when they're the unlikely target.
Of course, I'm KIDDING!!!!! This would definitely NOT put geeks in a good light. But damn it sure would be funny.
-Restil
Re:If we're going to do this, do it right. :) (Score:2)
Re:If we're going to do this, do it right. :) (Score:2)
If John Katz would be in attendance, then, "No!" (Score:1)
Tack it on another convention. (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyways hold a get together one of the days of linux world, everyone would be in town anyways.(And for some people the company picks up the tab)
Trolls (Score:1)
Themes. (Score:5, Funny)
1) JonKatz needs a good cock-punching.
2) Why he needs it, cock-punching techniques for the new post-Columbine and post-9/11 world, the globalization of cock-punching, cock-punching from the middle east with a commodore 64...
--saint
Hell, I'd come... (Score:1)
Definetely (Score:1)
D
Yes, why the he|| not? (Score:1)
At least at a slashdot show, there would be plenty of fun things to do, and I wouldn't have those IBM quacks trying to shoo me off their laptop-internet-connection even though I'd just walked up to it. Sheesh! can't a geek check his mail?
I like the idea of running the convention parallel with another one.. That way, I can make it a legit business expense!
Alvin...
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog... (Score:1)
Re:On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog... (Score:1)
er, um, whoops...
No (Score:3, Interesting)
Four years ago, I would have answered a resounding "Yes!". Today, I would answer an uninterested no.
Slashdot has becomed the shadow of it's former self; it is now a little more than a news outlet for me. It was'nt always the case. It had been a real community a few years ago. Notice my UID; I have been reading Slashdot for a long time ... back when CmdrTaco was actually taking part in the discussion.
If you want to see a real community in action, I suggest you check out Kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] for the political/social stuff and ArsTechnica discussion forum [infopop.net] for the technical stuff. These are real community in my mind; not glorified news outlet. They are not the only one; just two good examples.
Re:No (Score:1)
Plus, I recall sitting in the spare bedroom of many a sysop looking at the boxes of 5 1/4 floppy disks of games and more games. Unless CmdrTaco is going to let me in his house AND take me to the hosting location, I'm really not interested.
Re:No (Score:1)
But k5? Yuck, what a bunch of pretentious, self-righteous pricks over there. (not everyone, of course, but a lot of them)
Re:No (Score:1)
But shit, thats just me.
Hey, its another 49xx user!
Re:No (Score:2)
Wanted: Bouncers for /. Convention (Score:2)
You'll need a draw, something like free beer and a chance to win an uber-karma account with +3 for posts.
Also, do you have any idea of what goes on down Score: -1 and Score: 0 ? I only slum down there when I moderate.
Let me tell you, some of those posters give me the creeps.
I don't think I'd want to risk meeting them in person.
You'll definitely need some bouncers at the door.
Maybe... (Score:3, Funny)
On second thought, maybe a virtual conference would be a better idea.
Some thoughts... (Score:2)
Re:Some thoughts... (Score:1)
It is important that the cards have the ID# on them, otherwise we might never be able to figure out who is the real Bruce Perens
Re:Some thoughts... (Score:2)
That'd have to be a pretty big room.
Would I attend a Slashdot convention? (Score:2)
Honestly, I enjoy Slashdot: The Website quite a bit. I also find the idea of Slashdot: The Convention to be utterly terrifying.
Yes. (Score:3, Funny)
I trust that VA Software will reserve thousands of rooms at an expensive hotel, and reserve an expensive convention hall for the event. Also, I hope that VA Software spends tens of thousands of dollars on expensive, nearly nude booth babes, and pays for expensive and interesting guest speakers. It would be cool if there was some expensive entertainment as well -- some modern bands would be great. And I hope there's some really expensive, cool swag given away. Oh, and I hope VA Linux charters some planes as well, flying from most major cities in the US and the rest of the world.
Uhh... this is going to be entirely free, isn't it? You see, like most of the people who read Slashdot, I'm only 15 years old, and I work at McDonalds. I don't really have any money.
Why should I come ?? (Score:1)
not slashdot but just as good. (Score:1)
Better idea... (Score:2)
Head off to these, support them, and while you're there mention slashdot if you like.
I suspect thought that a slashdot meeting in meatspace might kinda miss the point of an on-line community if you see what you mean.
One thing though, it is sooo wierd introducing yourself with your nick instead of your real name.
That's a step backwards (Score:2)
Now, there's the Internet. We get to interact with our peers on a daily basis. Slashdot is a good place to do this WRT technology news.
Of course there are still conferences around, but most of them focus on in-depth sessions around narrow subjects. You can't do this well on the Internet, often because you're distracted, and often because the people who know are too busy to write about it. These conferences have increasingly fewer survey sessions, since the organizers know you've already read about that stuff on the Internet. You also have a networking benefit, since you get to meet others in your field face-to-face.
So, what are the in-depth sessions going to be at a Slashdot conference? Yeah. So, that leaves you with the ability to network with other people who probably aren't in your field. (What they have in common with you are that they read news.)
Therefore, the whole event devolves to the after-conference party. So, just do that. Have a Slashdot Party. Setup monthly parties in various locals, like the Mozilla parties or 2600 meetings. Interested people will go. But, outside of Woodstock, most people won't travel very far for a party.
I'd go. (Score:2)
In this part of the country, a local meet would probably turn out to be kinda lame. [Central US]
What would be even better is if it was something educational and related to my work (Solaris admin) that I could convince the company to send me to.
Yeah, I'd definately like to do a Slash thing.
Regional gatherings (Score:2)
The ideal would be one-day or two-day things, probably on Saturday only or Friday/Saturday, not too intense, all in one room, with some sort of minor door charge if we can't get corporate sponsors to pick up the tab, plus whatever the hotel we choose charges for supper for those who want to have supper as a group Friday evening.
The schmoozing and meeting/greeting would really be the big attraction, with everything else secondary. Lots of places to sit and chat, that sort of thing. Mucho network access, preferably both wired and wireless, go for an attendance limit of 300 or fewer so it's convivial instead of showlike.
- Robin
Re:Buffalo, NY (Score:2)
Why isn't this on the front page? (Score:1)
Well?
We should have a Geek Festival... (Score:1)
I mean, pop up the folk singers and toss up a few talking heads. Replace the smootie stand with some ultra-caffinated beverages, and throw up some wireless internet (oh wait, they already do that...) and you have something cheap and OH so scalable.
Special discount for folks who try to pass their hatchbacks off as "Heavy Camping".
Slashdot convention? HELL YEAH!!! (Score:1)
I think we should try an annual Slashdot Convention in rotating cities so that different people can go each year (face it, air travel is expensive and we live in a big country!).
But, after the annual OFFICIAL convention, smaller local conventions should be held so that what was shared at the larger convention can be shared to all those that couldn't go.
This could become like a fraternity with smalled chapters in each major metro area or region.
Let's do it!
Amazing how poorly dates are remembered (Score:1)
No, you haven't. Slashdot was first announced in late 1997. I can't remember exactly when, but at least I know the year. I was reading Chips n Dips prior to that.
Ask Slashdot didn't appear as a regular feature until considerably later.
YES (Score:1)
alas, we never thought to post it I guess cause we felt like nobody would give a hoot.
looks like we were wrong
so yeah, organize it, I can guarantee 5 people from ohio!
Re:No. (Score:2)
No. No nono no. [and it goes on like this...]
Looks like AC's out for sure. If the top poster's not showing up I don't see it happening.
Personally, it would be interesting to see how some Slashdotter's do without a preview button and karma bonus. Also, in the tradition of Slashdot consuming so many working hours for so many nerds, it would have to held during the work week and promoted in such a way that it can be fully expensed to one's employer.
Re:Sure I would attend a slashdot convention (Score:3, Funny)
although you'd be better off wearing something plastic, hemp, or perhaps your home-made klingon outfit.