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Cool Work Shirts? 93

Posted by Cliff from the for-those-who-submit-to-dress-codes dept.
RyuMaou asks: "I just started a job today and noticed I was the only guy wearing a golf shirt. Everyone else had long-sleeve button-downs on. So, I got home and went right to ThinkGeek to buy some Tux button-down collar shirts. But, horror of horrors, they were gone! Where can I get them, or others like them? I'd settle for the Geek.com propeller-head logo, but I'd really like Linux logo gear of all kinds. Anyone?"
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  • Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DreamerFi ( 78710 ) <john@sint[ ].com ['eur' in gap]> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @02:16AM (#4510700) Homepage
    Are you going to try to make a statement to your cow-orkers? Are you trying to tell them "I'm different!"

    Don't. Just be relaxed about what you wear to work, let those folks get to know who you are for a few months.. otherwise they'll label you ("nerd" or something else) and you'll have a hell of a time getting them to look past the label.

    -John
    • this guy was complaining about being the only person wearing a golf shirt so i don't think this is about trying to look diffrent but trying to look the same.
      • Bingo! Trying to look the same without wearing a Polo brand shirt. Personally, I'd rather have a penguin, or BSD devil, on my shirt than a damn horse. But, remember, it's always more fun to rant on /. than it is to actually answer a question.

        And, after a year of being out of work, I'd rather fit in a little more than be out on my ass again. I'd just prefer to wear something that retains some small shred of individuality. And, maybe use Tux the way Apple used their logo.

        Just a thought....

        • I'd just prefer to wear something that retains some small shred of individuality.

          On the other hand, if you have to depend on dress for people to percieve your individuality, there's probably something wrong.

          As an aside, I love Ralph Lauren (Polo) clothes. They're incredibly well-made, durable, fit great and look great. Expensive, yes, but this is one of those things you get what you pay for. I'd rather have quality than "individuality".

          • Actually, I wasn't asking for help picking out clothes. I know what I want. I'm just having a hard time finding it. I already wear Dockers, the Geek's Garanimals. Just like 95% of everyone who's answered this story.

    • Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by 4of12 ( 97621 )

      Right on.

      I'd suggest you go spend some serious money on some really nice quality dress shirts and pick up several nice ties (hint: anything with cartoon characters or colors is not a good choice). The shirts should come from a nice mens store with hardwood floors and not cost less than $80 apiece. A jacket and wool slacks are a good idea, too.

      You'll go a lot further and have a nicer time as someone who appears to know what they're doing and can afford to relax with a dude attitude than as someone who appears to escaped from high school and happens to be incredibly mature, sensitive, thoughtful and intellectual on the inside (the RMS approach).

      It's a much harder row to hoe to make the real you shine through clothing that says something different to other people.

      After a few weeks dressed up, go ahead and wear your tux shirt on the weekend.

      • A good tip to get nice clothes is to buy them at end of season or at clearance from each of the retailer's websites. Sure you might not find the 5XL shirt you need or a medium one at Banana Republic, but the sites always have them.

        s/Banana Republic/your favorite retail store.
      • The shirts should come from a nice mens store with hardwood floors and not cost less than $80 apiece.

        Let's see...for $240, I could by three of your dress shirts, and work with people who think that expensive clothes make you a better person.

        Or, I could buy a decent second-hand guitar, and wear t-shirts to work, and get to work with very smart people on very interesting projects [infamous.net].

        I know which liefstyle I prefer...

      • As a rule of thumb..you never want to dress better than your boss/manager.It's taken as a sign of disrespect. It's the Salesman's rules. Dress as good as yuor clients, but never upstage them.
  • I say you where what you have now, no need to change how you look to impress...plus if you dress to look like everyone else then why not just where a shirt that says i am a trend whore? but thats my two cents...
    • reminds me of the shirt I picked up at hot topic last night. Black shirt, white lettering "you laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the same."

  • Come again? (Score:4, Funny)

    by 0x0d0a ( 568518 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @02:42AM (#4510815) Journal
    You're worried about a lack of formality...so you're wearing ThinkGeek clothing?

    Did I miss something?

  • Chic (Score:3, Funny)

    by AndyAMPohl ( 573700 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:06AM (#4510890)
    A linux shirt? Hmmm. Did you try the local Versace? I heard they're on sale at Barneys, but you better act quick. Just off the runways in New York, Vogue, GQ, etc. are all saying this *is* the hottest new look for the fall. They all thought the return of Twiggy (the world's first supermodel) would be the talk of the Milan fashion show, but instead it was Alan Cox who turned heads when he was led out onto the stage by the lead designer in the house of ThinkGeek. Standing ovations, curtain calls, the whole nine yards. Good luck finding the shirt! Andy

  • WTF? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Faux_Pseudo ( 141152 ) <Faux.Pseudo@gmail.cFREEBSDom minus bsd> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:28AM (#4510942)
    We have reached a time in the world where nerds are now asking for
    fashion advice. I am not sure if this person is so out of touch with
    reality that he is unaware that he is asking for the blind to lead the
    blind or if some major paradigm shift has happened in the world that
    I must have missed while hacking away at my terminal that is lit 24
    hours a day by just a red light and has days worth of dishes
    piled up on the the top of the shelves that house all of my O'Reilly
    books.

    Can someone try to clear this up for me?
    • No, he's not asking for fashion advice.

      He just wants to know where he can get the geeky shirt that he has already decided that he wants. He's just asking a bunch of geeks where he can find one.

  • Well I guess (Score:5, Funny)

    by Screaming Lunatic ( 526975 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:29AM (#4510947) Homepage
    When your mommy stops dressing you, you have to turn to CmdrTaco, CowboyNeal, & Co.

    And your asking for fashion tips from /. Dude, I have two coding shirts that I rotate. The first one is neon orange and says, "It's my duty, to please that booty." The other one was from a Math Contest I won in high school with a Maple plot of:

    tubeplot([3*cos(2*t) + cos(3*t), -3*sin(2*t) + sin(3*t), 1.2*sin(5*t)], t=0..2*Pi, radius=0.6);

    If your gonna ask a fashion question on /. ask what fabrics are coke-resistant. Ask what the best way is to print off Natalie Portman pics to paste onto t-shirts. Ask how to install the Linux kernel on your zipper. Ask how to build a Beowulf cluster of leisure suits.

    • Re:Well I guess (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Ask what the best way is to print off Natalie Portman pics to paste onto t-shirts.

      Just DON'T ask about the "paste", ok.

  • Tux (Score:4, Informative)

    by D.A. Zollinger ( 549301 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:39AM (#4510974) Homepage Journal
    Mmmmm, our favorite penguin... [computergear.com]

  • Solutions (Score:3, Funny)

    by codeButcher ( 223668 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @03:53AM (#4511010)

    1. The surf kiddie's solution: Go to your Kinko's (or whatever's the right store for the stuff - it's been a few years since I've been on the left side of the Atlantic), buy some iron-on paper for your printer, download (or draw) the graphic(s) of your choice, print, iron on plain shirt and wear.

    2. The Real Hacker(TM)'s solution: pick up that old sewing machine your mom threw out, modify to do some computer-aided embroidery, hack a Linux driver for it, download/draw, embroider on plain shirt, wear.

    Both would seem to me to make much more of an individualistic statement than those ThinkGeek-wannabe stuff.

    Now let's please keep Ask/. open for the really important stuff, like moving or dieting...

    • The surf kiddie's solution: Go to your Kinko's (or whatever's the right store for the stuff - it's been a few years since I've been on the left side of the Atlantic), buy some iron-on paper for your printer, download (or draw) the graphic(s) of your choice, print, iron on plain shirt and wear.

      Personally, I use the iron-ons in the blue and orange packaging from Target, and the heavy duty t-shirts from there as well. Shirts with pictures from engrish.com seem to be especially popular.

      --saint

  • Don't worry be happy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by codexus ( 538087 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @05:02AM (#4511162)
    From what you're telling us, no one has asked you to stop wearing golf shirts. So what if the others don't? Are you so worried you're not gonna fit in that you have to wear the same type of clothes?

    Be yourself and everything will be fine. Who knows maybe some other people will start wearing golf shirts too after a while.
  • so there really are jobs out there that you can't wear simple shorts and tshirts for? I alway thought those were just bad stories I was told as a kid so as I'd dress good..

  • Bowling shirts (Score:4, Funny)

    by extra88 ( 1003 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:00AM (#4511802)
    It's never too early to start working on your manager to get bowling shirts for everyone in your group. Tell him it would be a morale booster, that it would be good for team building. Tell him that's what the boss did at your last job (leave out the part about your last job being at a bowling alley).

  • Your dressed casually to the first day of work? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fooguy ( 237418 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:06AM (#4511831) Homepage
    It's not like I'm old school, I'm in my mid-twenties, but who wears anything but a suit to the first day of work?

    Probably someone who doesn't wear a suit to an interview.

    I remember when I was younger, I would bitch whenever I had to wear a tie. The fact is that people judge you by how you look, and if you're starting a real job (or even an internship), you're an adult -- dress the part. That doesn't mean you have to wear a tux to work every day (well, if you were a real penguin...), but you don't want to be the frumpiest looking person on the block.

    Our office is business casual M-Th, so the guys wear slacks and button down shirts, and used to always wear ties. About a year ago we had a new manager start who is very "new school/dot com", and always wears polo shirts. To rebel, we all started dressing up more. He's supposed to be our boss, and he's always less presentable than the worst of us.

    I'm sure it's a regional thing -- since I work in DC I'm around more people who *have* to wear suits every day (thousands of lawyers and political-types). I'm sure it's similar on Madison Ave, and probably not like that at all in Berkley.

    My personal rule of thumb though is when it doubt, dress up, especially where work is concerned. Nobody wants to go to a luncheon in a tux and have people think they work there, but what's worse is when you go to work and people think you're a delivery guy.

    • On my uncle's first day of work at SGI, he dressed up. When he got home he said he was never dressing up for work again. Everyone, coworkers, his boss, other managers, gave him such a hard time, he went out and bought more casual clothes for work.

      So, I guess, YMMV.

    • suits??

      surely you geste. or you're not "from around here".

      at least in the sillyvalley, you NEVER EVER wear even a tie to work the first day. just don't do it. for engineering and related, which is most of the /. population, I would guess. I had an interview just a few days ago and wore a previous company logo tee shirt (yes, a tee shirt) and shorts (yes, really) and sandals. no, I'm not kidding. I'm not there to show how well I dress when I design/write C code. who the fsck cares.

      oh, and I got the verbal offer as I was closing with the hiring mgr that very day.

      don't overestimate clothes. even in a down economy, don't sell out and dress-up just cause your father did. this is not your father's job.

    • I remember when I was younger, I would bitch whenever I had to wear a tie. The fact is that people judge you by how you look

      That's right. And if you're the fool who, after interviewing with the company, noticing that your suit was out of place in an office of shirt wearing compatriots and not bothering to ask what the dress code was, shows up wearing a suit then you deserve the ultra-conservative, unwilling to ask questions, timid dork that they'll inevitably label you as.

      That doesn't mean you have to wear a tux to work every day (well, if you were a real penguin...), but you don't want to be the frumpiest looking person on the block.

      That's much better advice. Don't be a frump, but don't dress out of place on the other side of the equation either.

      I'm a consultant, and I was told when I started in the 80's that we were expected to dress one level above the client. I think this is a good rule for everyone not just consultants (though, of course, if everyone adhered to it there would be a clothing arms race).

      If your office is business casual, wear a casual tie once in a while. If your office is jeans, wear dockers and a button down regularly.

      But, for the love of jeebus, don't show up to a shorts and sandels shop in a suit on your first day.
      • I'm a consultant, and I was told when I started in the 80's that we were expected to dress one level above the client. I think this is a good rule for everyone not just consultants (though, of course, if everyone adhered to it there would be a clothing arms race).

        I give Oracle big points for this: all their sales people have to wear suits. There is nothing I hate more than sales people coming in in wrinkled khakis and polos trying to sell me $1 Million+ in goods and/or services.

        • There is nothing I hate more than sales people coming in in wrinkled khakis and polos trying to sell me $1 Million+ in goods and/or services.

          Local conditions, I guess.

          When I worked for financial traders in Chicago, anybody wandering around the office with a suit was instantly recognized as a marketroid. The more polished their images, the more it was assumed they were out to cheat us. Generally, that was the case.

          Here in San Francisco, styles are pretty informal, so the division isn't casual vs suits, it's scruffy casual vs expensive, stylish casual.

    • Hear (being half of "hear hear") (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kiwimate ( 458274 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @10:22AM (#4512349) Journal
      I tend to agree with you (and I'm in my early thirties), but...

      You have to get a feeling for what the rest of the office will wear and then try to approximate that. (And, of course, take note of any dress codes mentioned in orientation materials.)

      Four years ago, as a consultant (not in the U.S.) who was constantly visiting professional clients (banking, industry, etc.), I was required to wear a suit. It made a difference to the clients, too. We sometimes had clients who would mention in conversation to our bosses that they like us more than our competition because we were more knowledgeable, more professional, blah blah, "and at least your guy wears a suit".

      Two years ago, as a consultant in Pennsylvania, doing the rounds in New York, D.C., New Jersey, New England, etc., I sometimes wore a suit, but more often I would wear a dress shirt and blazer to dress up, or a long sleeve button down shirt with no tie to dress down one level, or a polo shirt. It all depended on where I was going. Some clients wanted me to dress like them, which meant khakis and polo shirt -- they were intimidated or at least uncomfortable when I wore a suit. Others wanted me to appear professional, and would not have been hapy had I not been wearing at least a long sleeved shirt.

      Today, no longer a consultant, I typically wear polo shirts or a long-sleeved shirt and khakis. Very rarely will I wear a tie. I quite like to know I'm well-dressed, but it would make me stand out and, more importantly, would make my co-workers slightly less comfortable. Ultimately, that slight psychological difficulty can have a small but very real adverse effect on your professional relationships.

      But what if I know I have a meeting with managers from other departments? I'll dress up a notch -- it's appropriate in that case, and I want them to go away with a good impression.

      Look, really, you have two options. You can be a geek and attempt to impress based purely on your technical skills, or you can be a professional (and still a geek) and dress appropriately. There are plenty who will kick and scream and yell that all that matters is that they know their job. And they will never rise very far, because they are in an imaginary world which bears less and less resemblance to the real world. According to the Gartner Group studies on this topic, we're on a timeline where technical skills have gone from a relevance level of 65% down to 35%. Project management skills, interpersonal relationship skills, and other such management skills have become more and more esteemed and important.

      All of which, of course, is totally off-topic to the original question, because I have no other suggestions on where to acquire the specific clothing items that the poster asked about. But the fact is that if you are concerned about your career as opposed to just your job then today it is crucial for a geek to grow up out of the immature "I can wear tee-shirts and sandals because I'm a genius" mentality and realise that in the vast majority of workplaces it does make a difference what you wear. If in doubt, start off playing it safe by dressing one notch above what the standard is, and then aim to fit in with the company culture. If you want to declare your geekiness in such a situation, then by all means go for the button-downs with the small and tasteful Tux logo, if that's appropriate. I know the original poster understands this; that's why he asked the question. I also know that many /.ers won't understand this. It's called ego, people. Grow up, be forewarned, and get with the times!
      • SO a well dressed jackass of a programmer is a lot betetr than a casually dressed genius?
      • Look, really, you have two options. You can be a geek and attempt to impress based purely on your technical skills, or you can be a professional (and still a geek) and dress appropriately. There are plenty who will kick and scream and yell that all that matters is that they know their job. And they will never rise very far, because they are in an imaginary world which bears less and less resemblance to the real world. According to the Gartner Group studies on this topic, we're on a timeline where technical skills have gone from a relevance level of 65% down to 35%. Project management skills, interpersonal relationship skills, and other such management skills have become more and more esteemed and important.

        Ahem. Bullshit.

        The only reason there is to put on airs, aka dress up, for work is if it is required. If you deal with customers that expect it, then do it. If you are a lawyer, then do it. If you are someone who works in tech, and you never see your customers, then why the hell should you have to dress up? Of the skills that you list that are becoming more and more important, I didn't see fashion in there. (unless you are in the fashion industry). When our GM comes to town, we have to dress business casual, which I really think is stupid because it is simply putting on an image for the big cheese. Other than that, we can wear jeans and casual clothes. They only let us wear shorts on Fridays during the summer. We all work together, and rarely see the customer because we are in software development. Let the marketing and sales people "dress to impress". I would rather think "man, this person knows their stuff" instead of "that is a nice tie, they must be smart".

        To me, it is all BS, with the caveat that unless it is required, it is not necessary. You say that people who don't agree with this will never rise very far. That is probably because you consider management positions higher than technical positions. The best managers are the ones who surround themselves with good technical people, and know how to keep their technical people happy. *REAL* technical people believe this, and know that genuine respect comes from what you know. You can bullshit all you want about what you know, but if you can't deliver then it doesn't matter. So play the game, but only if there is one that has to be played. Don't dress to impress - just impress. OMFG - a previous poster said you should wear a suit on the first day, no matter what. That is the stupidest thing I have heard. Dress for the environment you are working in!

        But to the real point of the original poster - go to cafepress.com, you can create your own shirts with whatever you want on them.

        So keep ass-kissing, and conforming simply for the sake of conforming, and you'll realize one day that you don't have an original thought in your head, and you have been a sheep all these years. Or maybe not, and you'll simply fade into obscurity without realizing it. Well, at least you'll have a career you can be proud of...

      • I wear a suit to work. Not all the time, but I happen to think I look good in a suit. (Partly because it hides my slightly tubby tummy). The dress code is (technically) "wear clothes", but this is a bank and on the other floors its "smart casual" or "suits" so scruffy jeans and a t-shirt would mark one out in the cafe.

        I certainly wear them to go to interviews or meet clients.

        Possibly it's different in California, but over here (the UK), one wears suits for interviews. Always. I also have a bath and wash my hair and bother to look in the mirror while I'm putting my make-up on instead of guessing. It's part of presenting an image. Having talent as well is important, but not looking tatty helps...

        Even more so if you're talking to non-IT people to whom "I am a C++ god" means nothing.
    • who wears anything but a suit to the first day of work?

      I've never worn a suit to work. I don't own a suit.

      Coat and tie, yes (only worn to funerals, court appearances, job interviews, and other ceremonial occasions), but I've managed to get by without a suit for 32 years now.

      (Ok...when I was 9 or so I did get a 3-piece for Easter one year. But I wore it with a clip-on tie...)

    • It's not like I'm old school, I'm in my mid-twenties, but who wears anything but a suit to the first day of work?

      No one wears a suit to work in Silicon Valley. Now if you go up to the city and check out the financial institutions I am sure there are suit wearers. But in my eight years working in the valley itself anyone wearing a suit has been nothing but a subject for derision. This was not a dot com boom phenomenon, either. There were perhaps more pink haired, pierced folks around during the boom days, but the dress code has pretty much stayed the same since I've worked here.

      Someone showing up for an interview in a suit might as well have "I'M NEW HERE" stamped on their forehead. Usually the very first thing they are told is to lose the suit.

      The sales guys don't wear suits. Even the CEOs don't wear suits. Sure, their button-down shirts are probably tailor made and cost a mint, and their slacks are impeccably pressed, but there is no tie in sight, much less a jacket.

      People who are not "customer facing" generally can dress however they like as long as the relevant parts are covered. At my current job many of the engineers wear shorts and sandals all the time. Jeans and t-shirts are very common, too. I usually go for khakis or something similar, with jeans on Friday.

      Sarah
    • Our office is business casual M-Th, so the guys wear slacks and button down shirts, and used to always wear ties.

      You mean you dress up on Fridays? That's rather unusual AFAIK.

    • in other words, you'd rather dazzle them with your clothes than your intellect?

      well, I guess that's one way to bullshit them about you not knowing how to do your job. you remind me of the Monty Python skits where the old men put handkerchiefs on their heads and become retarded. but then again, you work in D.C.. what else COULD we expect?
    • Maybe he asked about the dress code and they said something vague like 'business casual'. I've worked at three different places that were 'business casual' and they all had different dress codes. The first meant button-down shirt and tie (but nobody complained when I wore a button-down collarless shirt, sans tie), no jeans or shorts. At the second place it meant no ties needed (in fact my boss ordered me not to wear ties as I was so clumsy I'd probably get it caught in a CPU fan and strangle myself), but no jeans or shorts either. My current employer is also business casual two or three times a week, but that just means that management has to wear ties but not suits. The other week days it's max casual (jeans, shorts, t-shirts, sports jerseys) with the condition that t-shirts must be tucked in.

      I agree with the ROT that it's better to be overdressed than under. I tend to always wear the dress shirts and khakis even on casual days since I've got pretty long hair and it makes me feel a little bit more presentable in those surprise meetings with the President.
    • > I'm sure it's similar on Madison Ave, and probably not like that at all in Berkley.

      That's BerkEley and no, it's not like that at all. Go bears.
    • Um, I write games for a living. Wouldn't wear a suit to an interview, wouldn't wear a *tie* to an interview. It's just not done. There's other businesses out there where it's not done, too. Now to be fair, when I start a new job, I always wear pressed long-sleeve oxfords the first week, because that's as far as you go in this business, and I do try to make a good impression. My question would be: you didn't look at what your future co-workers were wearing when you toured the office during your interview? That's one of those "office culture" things I'd have checked out right away.

  • It's ALOHA Friday (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MrIcee ( 550834 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @11:21AM (#4512889) Homepage
    As the song says... "it's aloha friday... no work till monday".

    Here in da islands everyone wears aloha shirts. The only proper way to wear them is not tucked in. The shirts are colorful, extremely comfortable, and make a very loud statement.

    Buck the tradition and switch to aloha shirts (try here [hotshirts.com] for a selection).

    • Re:It's ALOHA Friday (Score:2, Interesting)

      by faster ( 21765 )
      AND if you're in Hawaii, they're considered 'formal wear'. Bank presidents wear aloha shirts to work (in Hawaii)!

      I find that when I wear aloha shirts to interviews here in California, I have to educate the interviewers so they know that I'm really dressed up.

      Get the Cooke Street brand at your local Costco. They're really nice, and reasonably priced.
    • Since I used to live by the beach, let me tell you that the best aloha type shirts are made by Reyn Spooner [reyns.com]. Not cheap, normally over $50 per shirt but probably the best in the world.
    • 'Pau Hana' is a Hawaiian phrase that means [essentially] the end of the work {week,day} or quitting time. I lived on Oahu for a few years, and from what I saw Pau Hana usually meant that work was ending a little bit early. A Pau Hana Friday (or other end-of-week day) generally meant getting together for a barbecue or beach party.

  • Ebay (Score:2, Informative)

    by LowellPorter ( 466257 )
    I've picked up button down shirts geeks would like on Ebay. Look in one of the computer sections not apparel.
  • Hahahahahaha
    Just go buy some nice clothes...
    seriously.

  • From one extreme... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Captain Large Face ( 559804 ) on Thursday October 24, 2002 @05:27AM (#4520326) Homepage

    .. to the other.

    First you go in casual, next you're going in wearing a Tux?

  • I usually wear my " I Read you E-Mail" shirt to work... or my, "Go away, or I will replace you with a very small shell script!" --All courtsey of Think Geek's [thinkgeek.com] website. I have several others that I wear, but those to are my best!
    • sorry about the typo... /. got /.'d while I was trying to send this in.... -- :-D

  • On a related topic, does anyone know if there is a place to purchase "peace, love and linux" shirts (the IBM thing that was spray-painted here and there and ...)?

    Preferably in black with the fun parts in glow-in-the-dark ink?
    • No, unfortunately I think they're just for IBM publicity... They are made as T-Shirts and have a big penguin head on the front (white shirt, black images) and then the Peace, Love, and Linux.

      Try contacting your local IBM Linux Technology Center and see if someone can help you out.
  • Sharpie: 95 cents
    Tshirt: 4.50

    There you go!

  • You want cool work shirts? Have you tried tank tops or muscle tees? If you're of the female variety, you can go with the halter top, tub top, or even bikini top. Those backless shirts look pretty cool as well. All of these choices will keep you on a hot day, but when it really gets smoldering out there, I usually go to work shirtless.

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