Ultimate Sleds? 103
frenchgates asks: "I recently moved near a long and steep sledding hill with dangerous trees right at the bottom. I have acquired a fleet of sleds at this point, plastic shells, inflatables, a toboggin, a flexible flyer, etc, but all have one potentially fatal (literally) flaw: no brakes. I figure this crowd probably takes its gravity-fun seriously so I am looking for info on sleds (or customizations) allow rapid stopping in all snow conditions."
Jump the fuck off (Score:5, Informative)
Tim
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:5, Funny)
Honestly, it's amazing that any kids live until adulthood.
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:3, Insightful)
Simply a case of what you don't know can't kill you.
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:2, Interesting)
It's a wonder we're all still alive today really...
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:2)
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:1)
Re:Jump the fuck off (Score:2)
Tim
a soft fence (Score:2)
Visit a camping store (Score:1)
Or you could wear crampons and stop Flintstones style.
Re:Visit a camping store (Score:3, Funny)
flying sled
slippery surfaces
you could stop yourself all right...permanently
LINUX (Score:3, Funny)
Re:LINUX (Score:3, Funny)
Are you suggesting riding on the back of a penguin?
This only works on hills covered in herring.
Re:LINUX (Score:1)
So what does a hill covered in herring look like?
Re:LINUX (Score:3, Funny)
Fishy.
Re:LINUX (Score:2, Funny)
Re:LINUX (Score:2)
Chop the trees down. (Score:5, Funny)
Chop the trees down. Use the wood to make more sleds.
Follow the guide of history... (Score:1)
I think the same technique could apply here...just carry some sort of pick or metal tool that can drag into the ground, and then use that. Just make sure that you don't fall off the sled and then land on the point
Hood of car (Score:2)
Seriously, who needs brakes when you're riding down a snowbank on the detatched hood of a police cruiser?
Enter: The rudder (Score:4, Interesting)
Brakes in the back? Effective for the sled, not for you. Brakes in the front? I hope you like flipping over and having a sled land on you.
Re:Enter: The rudder (Score:5, Interesting)
I remember having a "trike" some time ago. It was basically three skis with the front, middle one mounted on bycicle type handlebars. The undersides of the rails were ribbed to grab the snow and ice just a little bit and turn you.
This works extreamely well. You don't want to use any kind of "anchor" to stop, since you'll probably be going quite fast... and the jerk from the anchor rope will be just as bad (or worse!) than hitting the trees!
Another brake design I've seen is a triangle-shaped plate with SMALL spikes on it, hinged at the point opposite the spikes and held up under the sled with a light spring.stomping on the plate pushed the spikes into the snow and slowed you down safely.
And, of course, "Jump the fuck off" is still the most reliable.
(Building a berm of leaves at the bottom of the hill before it snows would make a great safety net, too)
=Smidge=
Berm? JtFO! (Score:1)
Sounds like you want to hit the buildings/trees higher with a crumpling slide down to follow.
Or did you mean a berm so you could hit that and stop suddenly as opposed to hitting the buildings/trees and stopping suddenly.
I think you did not think that one al the way through...
JtFO!
GT Snowracer (Score:2)
Maybe they still make them, or similar kinds, or maybe you could find an old one.
Oh yeah, and having a steering wheel rocked too
Re:GT Snowracer (Score:4, Interesting)
Moral of the story: it's all about the GT. Except if you ever let go of the wheel, get the fuck off the sled.
Re:GT Snowracer (Score:2)
Simple solution: Don't do it.
Re:GT Snowracer (Score:2)
The problem with sleds is that it is very common for the driver to jump off. Without the auto turning feature, one would have to fetch the sled at the bottom of the slope. Not to mention the sled would get there uncontrolled.
Re:GT Snowracer (Score:2)
http://www.k2gravitytools.com/
Re:GT Snowracer - link (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.k2gravitytools.com/ [k2gravitytools.com]
Re:GT Snowracer (Score:3, Informative)
Grapling hook and a rope (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Grapling hook and a rope (Score:4, Funny)
How do you stop your sled?
- Hit a tree
- Hit a rock
- Jump the fsck off
- Use a grappling hook and rope
- I use CowboyNeal as an anchor!
(...the list could go on for quite awhile...
Re:Grapling hook and a rope (Score:1)
I guess it might help them stop as well.
Two words: Retro rockets (Score:5, Funny)
Or you could just use the traditional method of stopping a sled, as others have pointed out, and JUMP THE FUCK OFF!
Re:Two words: Retro rockets (Score:2, Funny)
I'm just a consultant here (Score:2)
Re:I'm just a consultant here (Score:1)
Re:Two words: Retro rockets (Score:2)
Re:Two words: Retro rockets (Score:1)
Snowboard. (Score:5, Funny)
Dave
combo (Score:2)
Flukes (Score:2)
Why?? (Score:4, Funny)
If it has brakes then what is the point of the trees at the bottom?!
other people (Score:5, Funny)
een there done that.... (Score:4, Informative)
Ever hear of the self-arrest? (Score:1)
Wishful Thinking (Score:2, Funny)
Hey, and I'm looking for a sled that will turn snow into 24 carat gold as it travels down the slope... I'll bet we find out respective sleds at the same time.
What I use to do while kite surfing. (Score:2)
We use to use a surfboard that had snapped in half in large surf, glass the jagged end to avoid fiberglass in your arse of course. Then make a loop leash plug, IE a place to tie a rope in your case.
Then we took an approx 20 pound piece of tug-boat drive shaft that had been cut down that we had been using for a shallow draft bay boat while fishing. If you use a anchor you get caught on crap on the bottom much more than if you use something that is basically a what amounts to a cylinder of solid steal about 12 inch long and 5 inch wide. So you have something heavy, with no sharp points, that you can keep on a boat and not worry about driving it though your leg or kicking it with no shoes and loosing toe.
Now we would wait for some 20+ winds on the beach, crank up our 10+ wingspan stunt kites, and sit on 1/2 a surfboard with a 20 pound weight under our legs attached to a 8 foot surfboard leash. This leash being attached to the back of the snapped surfboard in the leash loop. We would get going fast or toward something that we did not want to ram head first into we just kicked that make shift anchor off and it did quite the job of slowing us down. Not enough to fly off the front just slow you down with drag to get you under control.
Good luck, I would love to hear if this works for you. You could also deploy a small runners chute behind you to bring your speed down to sub-sonic...ahahaha...either way this would be fun to watch.
Parachute (Score:1)
This is the ultimate sled... (Score:1)
An alternative approach (Score:1)
You may want to pile snow and other cushioning material around the tree-trunks to reduce any head trauma when none of the above methods pan out.
One word: (Score:1)
Easy solution (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy solution (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy solution (Score:2)
In addition or instead of that - you could build a cushion at the bottom. Some ideas for padding materials:
BTW: my favorite sled design while growing up was to take an inflated car innertube and insert it into a giant heavy duty garbage bag. Madea for a great boucy ride when you had a few moguls like our sledding slope had.
Oooh.. here's a novel idea! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Oooh.. here's a novel idea! (Score:1)
-SablKnight
Shovel racing... (Score:1)
Shovel racing
Anyway they go fast and have to stop, so maybe you can get some pointers from these guys.
Wear a helmet... (Score:1)
high tech snow brakes (Score:1)
after 2 minutes of googling, i think this might be it:
http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/thayer/researc
Bungee cord (Score:2)
Bonus: don't need to trudge back up hill lugging the damn sled.
Living in Minnesota... (Score:4, Informative)
First, why would you want to brake a sled? There's no fun in that. The whole point to sledding is to wipe out into the snow, run into a pile of friends, or come to a satisfying stop after a leisurely decceleration. I have never understood brakes on sleds.
Second, if you're going so fast that you need to brake suddenly to avoid hitting trees, wouldn't you go flying off the sled anyway?
Third, if you aren't going so fast that a sudden stop would send you off the sled, can't you just jump off, or better yet, use your feet or hands to slow the sled down on the way down?
Fourth, what are these "dangerous trees"? Do they bite? Or are they dangerous by virtue of the fact that they are so close?
My favorite sled after a snow tube is a sled made by Rubbermaid. It's a thicker, hollow one-person sled that has a place to put your feet into, with a seat and rope; the contact with the snow is limited to two blade-like protrusions on the bottom of the sled.
But neither of them have brakes.
I have found that rope can slow down your sled quite a bit if you let it fly under the sled.
Dogs attempting to snatch your hat off your head also help to slow down a sled.
Hay bales (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Hay bales (Score:2)
a lever on each side (Score:2, Informative)
pulling both made you slow down.. kinda..... but ultimetly the best would be a gt....
A couple of inovative ideas (Score:2)
Another idea is to use sand to arrest yourself down to a speed where more traditional stoping methods (Flinstones was always my preference in my youth) will suffice.
Attach a chunk of 2x4 to the front with some decent nails driven through the front, hinge the 2x4 and flip them down and push down with your feet and hang on (because your sled will probably do an immediate 180, losing a substantal amount of speed int he process).
**WARNING: I will not be held responsible for damage to you, your seld or any incoming karmatic backlash for damage done to the trees
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Re:A couple of inovative ideas (Score:2)
Re:A couple of inovative ideas (Score:1)
Sand might help, if it could be dropped right in front of the runner, but over time, this degrades thr run, and the runners.
The 2x4/nails idea is the right idea in general, but not the way you're implementing it. There's a good reason automotive brakes are pads pressing against a smooth surface with variable pressure instead of a tooth grabbing a cog. If you brake with a strong brake at the front, as you say, you'll do a 180, probably in the vertical plane. Also, sticking out there, that's just plain dangerous no matter what.
use a good steerable runner sled. hinge the 2x4 hanging backwards from the front, sticking a couple of inches past the rear of the deck, but ending ahead of the runners. 2-1/2 inch nails through a 2x4 give you what, about 5/8 inch exposure? Now, as you near the bottom, if you can't turn sharply enough to slow and stop normally, (or maybe shoot on past or between the trees on to glory), you press down with your toes, ripping up a plume from the nails. If you need to ride feet-first for some reason, just add a vertical member on the board, so when you lean back, your back presses the board down. Of course, that'll entail shifting your weight rearward, thus diminishing your steering effectiveness, but again, if you're using brakes on a sled, you're probably on the verge of rolling off it anyway, so who cares how elegant it is.
hay bales, leaves maybe (Score:1)
--when I was a kid seems like the sears wishbook had a sled that had dual handbrakes, both down was a sorta stop, or you used one or the other to steer with. They just looked like pivotable pieces of steel that dug in to the ground some, you hauled back, they swiveled down and dug in, left and right. I never had one though, we usually used picker bushes as brakes rather than the trees, lesser of two painful e-viles.
How about this, carefully measure it out, do one of those bridge jumpers bungee cords, so as you get near the bottom it takes up the slack and snatches ya back up hill some? That actually sounds like fun! Hey, I think this is a cool idea really!
Do what my friends do (Score:1)
Hobbes? Hobbes, is that you?! (Score:1)
And stay away from my hot chocolate. Mom made it for me, not you.
President-Dictator-For-Life Calvin
Toboggan with Parabolic Rails (Score:1)
The concept is fairly simple, when you look at it, but difficult to explain in text; on the underside of the sled are a pair of large plastic ridges which extend parallel from one another from the rear, then flare away from each other at the front. When your weight is over the rear half of the sled, you travel straight and fairly fast; when you place your weight forwards, the flared portion of the rails come into contact with the snow, and provide a reliable braking action unless you are on hard ice. Leaning to one side or the other only engages one rail, allowing nice, easy turns.
I was quite a menace as a kid with one of these sleds. They were fairly cheap, and easily found in the snowbelt.
Now, if you have someone handy who is gullible and disposable, you might want to shell out $200 for one of these! [a2xtreme.com]
didn't I read an article... (Score:2)
I thought the first application of this technology would be brakes for skiis or snowboards.
I don't have a reference to this, but this could be the geeky way of solving the problem...
I mean if somebody is constructing a cleanroom to build a satellite in his basement, THIS would be a no-brainer...
Do what Ski Resorts do... (Score:1)
Rosebud. (Score:2)
1. Inertia's a bitch.
Half the fun of doing stuff like that as a kid is the fact that it's a pretty darned dangerous activity. Trust me, the fear of death/dismemberment/disfigurement makes anything a whole lot more fun.
Once we reach adulthood we (usually) condition ourselves to avoid stuff we perceive as dangerous, or at least get in control of the situation [insert darwinist theory here].
The point being -- the fun is in being out of control. I wouldn't use a sled with brakes if one existed, just as you astutely pointed out -- I do, in fact, take my gravity-fun very seriously.
Pile up some snow. Make a bank before the trees. And jump the fuck off!
Parachute? (Score:2)
For that dragster feel...
Stiga snowracer (Score:1, Informative)
Just step on the brakes, it will stop you within meters even on the hardest ice, although that should not be necessary with the excellent handling. I've repeatedly navigated forrested hills at lethal speeds without too much trouble. I think I hit a tree twice. Cracked one of the skis the second time (not too badly; it is still usable 12 years later without problems), but never injured myself. I'd say jumps are more dangerous than trees. >:)
Large nets (Score:2)
Take inspiration in what the ski resorts do : span large nets in front of the trees. Make sure that the nets slope gently from the ground so that the transition from snow to net is not too rough. To avoid spending on poles, you could even attach one end of the nets to the trees and the other end to the ground ten meters away from the trees. If any hard points remain, make sure they are well envelopped with bales.
Pad the trees (Score:2)
An of course, jump the fuck off.
The Truly Inovative Solution. (Score:1)
Tie the other end of the bungy cord to your waist.
Sled.
At the bottom, the bungy cord should kick in and fling you back UP the hill.
This solves two problems.
1: How to not hit the "Dangerous" trees.
2: A way around the pesky problem of having to climb back up the hill.
You forgot something... (Score:2)
Oh, and don't forget to make sure that the bungie is attached to an extremely strong point on the sled. Without that, you'll just break the sled.
Oh, and don't forget that the sled in question will probably have to be a saucer. The slighest angular twist in your path to the bungie mounting point will probably cause you to roll/drag on your way back up the hill otherwise.
Oh, and
Make use of the Hijackers (Score:1)
Snow toy fun... (Score:2)
I have a set of these (hard to find a complete set), and I remember in the "S" volume there were plans for a few snow sleds, etc - I think there may even have been a plan for a sleigh! Anyhow, one of these plans was some kind of racer deal, with outboard "skid rudders" and a steering wheel that turned to allow you to "drive" the sled - seemed like a fun thing! I also think there was a plan for an ice sail-skate racer thingie (not sure what they are called).
A little background:
The encyclopedia set was published in 1968, and contained a TON of "do-it-yourself" projects - everything from cars, to homes, to boats - even a clothes dryer! Full plans, full articles giving you instructions on how to build, and what tools to use. The articles typically leave just enough leeway for you to experiment, too. Unfortunately, I think they may have only been published that year, as I haven't seen any later editions for sale anywhere. But if you can find them, they are well worth it - some of the projects are meaningless nowadays, except on the educational level - either there are better products to buy on the market today, or there are similar products which are cheaper than what can be built. Other projects and articles though are still relevant today, and can give you ideas on how to do things cheaper than by hiring someone (for instance, there are three articles in the series on building your own full size swimming pool - one made out of fiberglass. There are articles on building fences, and other home improvements - one talks about building rolling storage systems to recover unused space in crawlways and basements. Other articles detail things like basic auto maintenance, plumbing, electrical wiring - though that last one would have to be checked against code, of course).
I have known about these encyclopedias for a long time, since I was a kid and purchased one at a used book sale at the library (the "A" volume, which was the "free" volume they would send you - they don't seem to do much of that kind of marketing anymore - anyhow, I bought it because it had some cool plans for a model hovercraft). I find it sad to think it wasn't too long ago when people thought "Yeah - I could just build the damn thing!" and bought these kind of books to help them out. Nowadays, it seems that people think if it can't be bought, it can't exist - and most people don't think about building anymore. A lot of people don't even have the ability to think they can build it. Maybe it was because there are enough products today that are cheaper than building it yourself. Or maybe people are just lazy and don't want to take the time to learn how.
When I see someone doing "homebrew" stuff, though, it makes me feel better knowing there are still people that can do it - which is why I do so myself, so that others can feel the same way, and perhaps be inspired by example. For most computer geeks, this seems to be the way anyhow, what with case modding, overclocking, hardware building and interfacing, homebrew pringles can antennas, etc.
I cannot reccommend these encyclopedias enough - I wish they (I think it was a Time-Life series) would republish them again, with some of the old plans and articles reworked for modern materials and parts, but still keeping that old-time "do-it-yourself" feel...
Build a berm (Score:1)
If you've got the room, build a berm at the bottom of the run that will redirect the sledder to go perpendicular to the fall line. The upward slope of the berm would slow you down fairly quickly, and the turn would you get you out of the way of the sledder on your tail.
Just make sure you build it high enough so that it would acted as a banked turn and not a jump, and this would make things safer for everyone who uses that run.This is what I've seen them do on the tubing runs at ski resorts.
Parachute (Score:1)
Tubular steel and wellies (Score:1)
Can't beat it. For greater stopping power get boots with pointier toes ;-)