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Getting Programming Guide Data into TiVo Series 2 Units? 19

An Anonymous Coward asks: "The new (Series2) TiVos have been substantially hardened from prior versions, but, it looks like it might be easier to get foreign program schedules into the TiVo than ever before. The newest units support APG, Advanced Program Guide (tm). This is a program guide being sent via the satellite broadcasts to DirectTV receivers. I'm trying to determine if this is a standard (by a different name) and the precise interactions necessary to submit this data to the TiVo. Basically, I want to emulate a satellite receiver sufficiently enough to submit new programming guide data to the TiVo. What I need to do this are sample data streams from a DirecTV satellite receiver to a TiVo, or similar device. Once this is done and working it will be possible to supply any Series 2 TiVo with program guide data for any region in the world (if such a schedule can be obtained). Note that this should not require breaking TiVo's subscription model."
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Getting Programming Guide Data into TiVo Series 2 Units?

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  • by costas ( 38724 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2002 @09:38PM (#4655933) Homepage
    ... or a format for that matter. I Googled extensively for it and it's just seems to be a TM for DirecTV's program guide. Where's the format information, if it exists?

    I am very iterested in doing this too (for Greece), with any PVR (Replay would be welcome as well). What's the friendliest PVR unit for a country hack?
  • TiVo Community (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MattCohn.com ( 555899 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2002 @09:48PM (#4655987)
    The TiVo Community [tivocommunity.com] has lots of technical people all working on everything TiVo. It was fetured on Slashdot a little while ago on the story "Distributed TiVo Code Cracking".
  • by Stubtify ( 610318 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2002 @09:53PM (#4656010)
    Then you either know about or live on the tivo community forums. They provide tons of information on everything from setup to hacking the boxes. If you haven't seen them they're at:
    <p>
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/
    < p>
    The Underground board espically has had some gems come from it, inculding programs which show who's calling your home phone on the tivo screen via Caller ID so you don't have to get up from the couch. Seems that your ideas might fit in there somewhere. This following thread covers almost all tivo programs I believe:
    <p>
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v b/showthread.php?s=abb0e5aece302c7a40e1ba302554e60 b&threadid=78635
    <p>
    and of course last week on slashdot they discussed this: <p>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/01/232 9254&mode=thread&tid=129 <p>which also talks about tivo Series 2 units. Might have to wait till they finish the distributed computing effort as that backdoor code might help in some way to your cause.
    <p>
    It seems like slashdot is averaging almost one tivo related story a week, are there really that many people on here with Tivo's?
  • then make your own damn tivo rip-off and don't deny tivo it's source of revenue. this is the one area that tivo (the company) has deemed sacrosanct. hack all other areas of the tivo, but leave the programming data alone. they don't make money off of the boxes.
    • I'll preface this by saying I have a lifetime subscription ($250) for my Tivo. Tivo ROCKS!

      However, he didn't force the Tivo corporation to choose the business model they did. You can legally buy a Tivo and never activate it. Sure you don't get all the features, but there's nothing wrong about it.

      I'll all for reasonable hacking. I think anyone should be able to hack their system to expand features or learn more about it. I've learned many of the things about my Tivo because other people published the results of their hacking.

      If Tivo is worried about recovering their cost of production, then they should change to the Replay model and include the cost of the program guide in the cost of the recorder. As long as they stay with the current model then it's an open season for hacking, as far as I'm concerned.
  • by topham ( 32406 ) on Tuesday November 12, 2002 @11:22PM (#4656490) Homepage
    I submitted the story several days ago.

    (it would have been under my account, but it was on a 3rd party computer when I submitted it...) anyways...

    I've checked all the forums, so far this is the best response I've gotten.

    Which amounts to not much.

    The hacking information from the Tivo community is helpfull, but the fact is that the subscription data I wish to get into the unit CANNOT BE PURCHASED FROM TIVO.

    And, with a series2 unit you have to be subscribed to use it anyway. (I believe that is coded seperate from the subscription guide data now too.).

    I want to use the Tivo in Canada and it is not supported here yet. The DirecTV Tivo units get the data via APG and they still require a dial-out every 28 days to verify subscription status. Putting guide data into a series2 does not bypass this.

    For now, I can tweak an existing guide to give me some channels (American ones) with valid guide data. I'd like to put more into it and so far I have seen very little good documentation (or clean source) to do so.

    • TiVo in Canada (Score:3, Informative)

      by gregstoll ( 90319 )

      For information on using TiVo in Canada, check out:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tivo_canada [yahoo.com]

      I've never tried it (and I'm not from Canada...) but I've seen it referenced on the TiVo forums.

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