Factory/Plant Tours - Where Would You Go? 117
kingelvis asks: "I have been thinking of putting together a road trip with a theme - Traveling to factories, manufacturing plants, etc all over the country and taking their (free) tours. I've already thought of a few places; Boeing, Auto factories in Detriot, Ben & Jerry's, Jack Daniel's distillery, and so forth. I'm interested in everything from 747s to bottled water, so please respond with any public tour you can think of. Where are some cool places you'd recommend visiting to see how stuff gets made? "
Jelly Belly! (Score:1)
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Don't Forget (Score:1)
first find out what city you are going to (Score:1)
Alas... (Score:3, Informative)
cereal! (Score:1)
Electronics (Score:1)
Dr. Pepper -- Dublin, TX (Score:1, Informative)
Try Dublin, TX. Check out Dr. Pepper's bottling plant there.
Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tours (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tours (Score:1)
Re:Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tours (Score:2, Informative)
Anheuser-Busch started in 1860 [anheuser-busch.com] while Yuengling started producing beer in 1829 [yuengling.com]
Yuengling offers tours [yuengling.com] as well, as well as some truly excellent beer.
Re:Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tours (Score:1)
Re:Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tours (Score:1)
I thought the alternate brewing location were just to serve different areas of the country? I guess it does make sense to build them bigger...
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To be fair to Budweiser though, I suppose touring their brewery (factory) would be somewhat interesting for seeing good old american mega-mass-production at work.
Andy
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Powerplants (Score:1)
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Tim
Re:Powerplants (Score:1)
I agree that while TMI has a cool factor, the incinerator was much more interesting, with the tour going to the tipping floow (where all the trash is dumped before the crane puts it in the burner) and a control room, with temperatures of the burners and everything
TMI's tour included going inside one of the closed cooling towers and looking @ the operational ones. most of the tour took place @ a tour center not even on the island, and there wasnt really any "wow look @ that" stuff to it, being as they cant really show us anything, and there's not that much to see anyway
Re:Powerplants (Score:1)
We got to look at the turbines and heat exchangers for the #1 since radiation was really, really, really low, and we got to crawl around inside the turbine area. Holy monkey. I remember thinking: Five stories of piping, cages, and catwalks + lots of people + paintball = a fun time. Heh, CTF paintball.
Anywho, I had a great time. The tour wasn't a touristy-type tour, so they didn't have a whole pamphlet and stuff to let us in. It was more like some guy from the office got bored type tours.
Sadly enough, after (I feel like such a cliché saying this) 9/11 they locked down the plant. Now the containment towers have guys with Stingers on 'em, and they've hired a kind of paramilitary security force. You won't make it past the training center with the security they have there.
Re:Powerplants (Score:1)
yes, you are right, my tour was before 9/11 and they probably dont do tours of the island anymore, and the security there is now really high
Re:Powerplants (Score:1)
I don't know if they do tours, but I'm down that way next week, and this article has inspired me so I may go find out.
Oh, this snippet of amazingly (un)interesting news is kinda moot, as I come from Thetford, in Norfolk, on the other side of the pond, England.
Chalk River Nuclear Laboratories (Score:2)
Powerplants always have pretty interesting tours. Try and visit a couple of different types.. coal, nuclear, hydro, etc.
Research reactors are good, too. Atomic Energy of Canada Limited (AECL) used to offer tours of three nuclear reactors just 3 hours up the road from Ottawa, in Chalk River.
You were actually allowed to stand on the NRX nuclear reactor there, while it was running, and look down into the calandria to see the pretty blue glow. It was nice and warm up there, with a thrumming under your feet from all the pumps and support equipment running.
Of course, all tourists were outfitted with dosimeters and screened thoroughly before and after.
I worked there as a co-op student one summer, it was great fun. The NRX was my favorite, but I think it's decommissioned now.
Corvettes in Bowling Green, KY (Score:4, Interesting)
All Corvettes are made at the GM plant in Bowling Green, Kentucky. The plant tour is free and very cool. And the Corvette Museum is right next door. Be aware that the tour schedule can change with holidays and special events so you might want to call ahead. I have never (yet) done it, but I have heard that one option on buying a new Corvette is to take delivery at the plant or maybe the museum, I forget the details.
Re:Corvettes in Bowling Green, KY (Score:1)
Motorola, and chemcal companies (Score:2)
Also, most chemical companies have tours. In part, it's PR for the locals.
What time of day? (Score:2, Interesting)
Perhaps you should watch that show a few times and see where he goes. Nothing like a good tour of a brothel to add to your church group tour plan.
Re:What time of day? (Score:1)
Dams are interesting stops (Score:1, Interesting)
If you pass through Arkansas, consider touring the Greer's Ferry Dam. The tour was so nice, I took it twice in consecutive years. You'll never look at the outside of a dam the same again once you've been down inside!
Three words... (Score:1, Informative)
They're the Post Office's Post Offices, huge super-hubs of mail and machines where mail comes in by the truckload and is divvied up for distribution to area Post Offices. Most large cities have at least one, and it's amazing to see inside. You'll never curse the mail carrier for being late again once you see the sheer volume of parcels being handled inside one of these facilities - it's a wonder the mail works at all, when there's so much of it. Imagine a huge warehouse with conveyor belts 5 or 6 levels deep, shooting mail every which way as it passes through OCR equipment, counting and sorting machines, etc.
I don't know whether or not they still offer public tours (does anyone know if these stopped after the anthrax scare?) but you could always call and ask!
Re:Three words... (Score:4, Interesting)
Another fun idea would be to visit a prototyping plant. Often these have more secrecy than production plants, but IMHO the prototyping plants are more interesting. There are large stereography machines that are basically gigantic 3D printers. You'll find large devices that drag tiny needles all over a surface, recording dimensions. The prototyping plant I worked at had the largest wood workshop that I've ever seen. They designed prototype airintake manifolds, and castings often start out as a wooden model. Other parts of the plant included huge CNC lathes that you could park a car under and a various injection molding tools/dies/machines. They also had a blow-form machine that would take tiny little plastic slugs and inflate them into water containers, 2Liter soda bottles, anything.
Tours of manufacturing plants are definietly cool.
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Tours of manufacturing plants are definietly cool.
Keeping
What have you learned about grammar, nazi?
Places (Score:3, Informative)
My tour would be to see all of the publically displayed SR-71s [sr-71.org].
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I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned it, but the Corning museum of glass is the best museum that I've been to. It's in Corning New York and it's an impressive selection of art, science, and technology. Although I could spend 3 full days at this museum, I have a masters degree in Ceramics. A typical person could spend one full day, because there is so much. The museum does a great deal with manufacturing of glass, there's multiple glass blowing demonstrations throughout the day, great glass sculptures by all of the best artist (including the best Dale Chihuly piece outside of Las Vegas), and lots of hands-on science stuff.
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I've never been on the CNN Studio Tour, but I ate lunch in CNN center almost every day for a year and a half. The tickets seem to go quick and everyone that I've seen on the tour appeared to be having a good time. Plus they film Talk Back Live right across from the food court so if you get bored on the tour you can try to promote Free Software on national TV. Sounds win-win to me!
USAF Museum (Score:2)
Not only do they have an SR-71, but they also have the XB-70(The mach 3 strategic bomber, one crashed) When I was there, the whole SR-71 was parked under one of the wings of the XB-70. Also there is the YF-12(or is it yf-11? I can never remember) Anyways it's the interceptor that became the SR-71.
Also there is a YF-22, X-15, A-10, just about every army air corps aircraft from ww2, and numerous rare ww2 fighters(Notably the me262 and me163). Not to mention the slew of weapons, engines, and so forth.
IIRC, it's has more aircraft on display than any other museum in the world.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/
Has a complete list of everything at the museum, and info on much that they don't have.
Ben & Jerry's (Score:4, Interesting)
All of the Ben & Jerry's factories are in Vermont. Personally, I've been on the tour at the factory in Springfield several times so I'll discuss that. You start out with a little multimedia presentation and then walk through some elevated paths above the work floor. After that you go and get free samples of whatever two flavors of ice cream that where produced the previous day.
Its a little more than my brief description, but it has always been fun. It'd probably be better to go during the summer so you can lounge around and enjoy a cone on the deck outside the factory.
Overall, its a nice cheap way to waste an afternoon if you're in the area. Although they're not factories, you'd probably want to visit some local agrarian type places like a farm, fruit orchard or (maple) sugar house.
More info can be found here. [benjerry.com]
BMW, FujiFilm (Score:1)
Golden, CO: Coors Brewery (Score:2)
You might try visiting the Coors Brewery in Golden, CO [alabev.com]. You'll get to see the world's largest single-site brewery as well as the nation's largest aluminum can manufacturing plant. Naturally, they give several free samples at the end of the tour. For those of you who scoff at Coors, they also produce Killian's Ale (originally an Irish recipe, but produced in the U.S.) and Keystone ('the never bitter,' cheapest possible beer) if one of those floats your boat.
Be warned, students of the nearby college frequently take 'the short tour', which skips the bottles and chemicals, going straight to the beer. At a college that's around 75% guys, this could be a hazardous experience for females.
Re:Golden, CO: Coors Brewery (Score:1)
Somewhat on topic though, what about crashing random trade shows? Not sure how easy it would be but I've snuck into a rather amusing Plumbing convention (There were fewer butt cracks than you would think), and there's a fireworks convention in North Dakota that's supposed to be insane.
Re:Golden, CO: Coors Brewery (Score:2)
I'm sure if you slip the tour guide a few bucks, he'll show you where Klan rallies [corporations.org] took place.
Be sure and ask about their environmental [enviroweb.org] initiatives [serconline.org], while you're at it.
Coors Brewery Questionable Activities (OT) (Score:1)
Surprising that one of the largest plants in the state might just have some environmental problems. Even 3M's 3E program fails at times, and they wind up in their own scandals.
Personally, I found the large accidental dump of sour mash into Clear Creek a year ago to be a bit more noticable example of the company's irresponsibility, not the drafting of legislation which held back what was already completely lax enforcement. Luckily, the dump caused little death of wildlife. Clear Creek is a great waterway, in most parts, but the upstream mines manage to kill off most of the fish long before they reach the shores of Golden.
When in DC, (Score:2)
Kentucky stuff (Score:1)
intel ... (Score:2, Insightful)
I took the train down, and dropped in...
They had some dinky ass little museum about how chips are made. And a single 20 inch tv screen showing 1 hallway in the actual production plant....
It was the lamest thing ever.
I had more fun pedal biking around the valley (and up the mountains) than at this excuse for a factory.
Maybe the only tourist attraction is the apple campus. But Silicon Valley is just basically overpriced suburbs...., nothing exotic.
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Tim
Re:intel ... (Score:1)
>What did you expect?
Windows? And not the type that Intel is associated with normally...
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If you go to Flensburg (Score:1)
Kennekott Copper (Score:2)
Bottled Water. (Score:2)
The guy was in advertising though, and he described his involvement with the bottled water company as convincing idiots that paid $1 for a bottle of tap water that $2 was a fair price.
Tim
Watch It Made (Score:4, Informative)
Also, the Travel Channel's website has a list of the Best Factory Tours for Kids in the U.S. [discovery.com] in case you want to act like a kid.
Louisville, KY area tours (Score:2, Informative)
General Electric's Appliance Park
Louisville Slugger bat factory/museum
Ford truck assembly plant
National Corvette Museum/assembly plant (in nearby Bowling Green)
Howard Steamboat Museum/JeffBoat(U.S. largest inland shipbuilder)
Zimmerman Art Glass factory(Corydon, IN - 30min drive)
Falls City Ironworks
...and enough Kentucky bourbon distilleries to make a man giddy. Other than those, I can't think of any production facilities that encourage public tours. The McAlpine Locks & Dam (not sure if the power plant is open for tours) is a pretty interesting site, even if it isn't a factory.
FPL's Energy Encounter (Score:2)
See something impressive (Score:1)
Summer .... Ag Manufacturing, Fishing and golf ? (Score:1)
metal forging of ag parts at my work [tillagetools.com] and rotational plastic molding [freeformplastics.com] and at my neighbours employer "Bourgault is adding almost one acre of manufacturing area. This expansion will provide room for a Tanaka heavy plate laser that can cut up to 1¼" plate steel with unbelievable precision. The laser will be the first of it's kind in Canada. The expansion, along with new welding robots and other CNC equipment implemented earlier in 2002, will allow Bourgault to increase total manufacturing output." Other cool stuff within 60 miles
Doepkers [doepker.com]
and Schulte Sales [schultesales.com] and more lakes and golf.
Camping and a lake in town with fishing and a 9 hole golf grass green course. Free Tours, camping fishing and golf. Bring your tent, and book your vacation well in advance because our centenial is next summer! [homestead.com]
Hershey Factory and Disney Backstage Tour (Score:1)
1.Hershey, Pennsylvania. Tour the Hershey chocolate factory to see how they make all that tasty chocolate. Hit the amusement park while your there to kill the rest of the day.
2. The best tour I've ever done in my life is the Disney World Backstage Tour. You pick the park you want to do the tour in because each park has their own tour. I have only done the main Disney park which after listening to the description of each tour sounded the coolest. You get into a group of about 10-15 people and walk around the park listening to the guide talk about the history of the park and about how the park is run. The guide speaks about Disney's philosophy and what it's like to be a Disney employee. But the best part of the tour is when you get to actually go backstage. You start off in the huge underground tunnels that connect the park (the park is built on a huge mound of dirt).You'll see wardrobe, storage, cast members,floats,etc. You also get on the rides in the park (you go to the front of the line on each time) and get the history of each ride. It really goes on and on. The tour is 12 and over (some age cutoff that is low) because you will see the characters with their heads off so if you have kids under 12 or so it will be a no go for you. Really a great tour. I plan on going on the other tours (MGM,EPCOT,Animal) the next time I go back there.
3. Also the SeaWorld backstage tour is great.
If you do the Disney Backstage Tour (Score:2)
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No more Hershey tours due to 9/11? (Score:1)
Hyannis, MA (cape cod) (Score:2)
Yes, it is a dinky little tour, but it does not take that much to make the chip, and it is amusing to see the frying kettles.
Oh and make sure to pick up a bag of dark Russet chips...that is what the real chip tastes like.
GA (Score:1)
EBR-I (Score:2)
AK Steel in Middletown, OH (Score:1)
Steel mill, coke oven, basic oxygen furnance, maybe a blast furnance still--something there puts up a 24/7 column of flame that you can see for miles.
They seem to have tours about once a year--appropriate attire (serious shoes, long pants, sleeves, hard hat, safety googles) is required and they don't allow cameras.
A couple of places I'd recommend: (Score:5, Informative)
NORAD in Colorado Springs, CO or Offutt AFB in Omaha, NE. Norad has some neato tech, and the 'building' is way cool. Offutt AFB has a bit more modern tech (I used to work there, maybe I'm biased), but is basicly the same thing. Both are very high security, so call in advance (at least a couple weeks, maybe a month) so they can do a background check. But it's worth it to see the coolest vax clusters on the planet. (You won't get to actually see them, just the output, but it's still cool. Again, maybe I'm biased, they were my babies for several years) The SAC museum is in Omaha too if you like bombers and stuff.
Any type of steel or metalurgical plant. Those places boggle my mind. (usually located near power plants for cheap electric, at least around my home town)
Chemical plants. Not sure what the security is like near these but it's neet to see how stuff is all heated and mixed together to produce whatever it is they're making. I've been to chevron, dow, and dupont plants (all near my home town also - they call the mid ohio valley, 'chemical valley' for a reason). I'm suprised I don't have an extra limb or something.
Maybe I'm a geek, but I'd like to see some microchips getting made and some surface mount boards getting assembled.
Anyplace that uses robotics is cool. My uncle gave me a tour of the biotech company he built the robots for. If you can get the tour guide or the geeky looking guy standing around at the factory to explain some of details of the tech, do it. I had no idea how far robots had come.
Think about something a little more old fashoned. A hand made wood working shop, a metal shop. Then work your way up to more modern things like windows, and lumber mills.
Get your Laverne and Shirley on at a brewery. Hit someplace that makes snack food or candy. From watching shows on food tv I've noticed they seem alot like chemical plants...
Hmm I'm hungry now. Have a good trip tho.
Niagara Falls power plant (Score:1)
Re:A couple of places I'd recommend: (Score:2)
The other military facilities maybe closed or have racked up their security where you wont get to see much..
Re:A couple of places I'd recommend: (Score:2)
Go find a newsprint mill and a paperboard mill to see the differences in technology, machinery, speed, and automation. The high speed paper machines are mind-boggling and the paper board machines make you wonder how they work.
I work in the paper industry as a chemical engineer. You can see much more with paper since it requires, on avergae, twice the number of processes to make a final product than a chemical plant. Plus much of the process flow is open in a paper mill and you can get pulp samples at intermediate sections of the mill.
Coors brewery tour (Score:1)
I have been on this tour twice, and it was pretty good. Free beer at the end, of course, but the coolest part is probably watching the packing floor where they do all the canning and boxing.
Printing... (Score:2)
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Lawrence Livermore National Labs (Score:1)
LLNL offers tours [llnl.gov] Tuesdays and Thursdays, including: There are some restrictions and rules about visiting, read the linked page for details.
Halsey Taylor (Score:2)
Nuclear testing site (Score:3, Interesting)
Every once and a while they take a bunch of people out to the facilities they built, then blew up at the Nevada nuclear testing sites [dreamlandresort.com]. That's what I'd check out.
Paper plants (Score:1)
I used to work for Ben & Jerry's (Score:3, Funny)
It was decent work for VT, and not too stressful. Plus they made us eat ice cream every day for quality assurance. Sounds nice, but try eating a peace pop every day for 3 months, you get absolutely sick of them very quickly.
I think there is a plant up in Waterburry VT where you can see ice cream being made, and it is kind of neat to watch for a few minutes.
Handmade glass factories (Score:2)
Nothing beats Leine's and Cray! (Score:2)
We may not do it this year, problems with making the trip to Cray. Not sure if they give tours anymore, bring a bit down and out... but it's quite the tour!
Plus, you get the benefit of drinking decent beer. I saw someone else reccomend a tour of the Busch and Budweister plants- I say "plants" because they could hardly be called breweries! Leine's may not be as good as Moose Drool, but it sure as hell isn't the torture like most of the stuff AB makes...
If you're up in the Duluth area, there is also the Lake Superior Brewing brewery that deserves a tour- some really tasty beer! Hell, their Kayak Kölsch is pretty light, yet full of real flavor for those of you who may venture north but are used to drinking piss instead of the good stuff...
Say cheese! (Score:2)
It's in Tillamook, Oregon [tillamookchamber.org] on the Oregon Coast.
Tabasco! (Score:1)
I'm getting hungry now.
Two words . . . (Score:1)
FREEZE! Put your hands against the wall! (Score:1)
Sure you just want to "see how stuff gets made." So you can blow it all up, right?
Jayco (Score:1)
More info: http://www.jayco.com/html/about/about_visit.php
Factories are Fun... (Score:1)
Pulp and paper plants: the chipper where they throw tree trunks into a hole and they are munched into little bits at a scary rate is the most impressive bit. Don't fall in. Look for a high degree of automation after that - try to see the contrl room.
Foam/polystryene: ridiculously simple process - combine chemicals and watch as foam expands to fit into whatever mold shape is present.
Extrusion molding: a cone of soft plastic slowly lowers, a mold is clamped over it, air injected and voila, a laundry detergent bottle. (loads of rejects with this but the plastic is endlessly recyclable)
Injection molding: test-tube of hard plastic are turned into 2 litre coke bottles with very high pressure. Impressivly automated, which means you often can't see much. Usually located next to a
Centrifugal molding: put plastic material in a large round mold, spin it fast for a while and apply heat. Open it up and there you have a (usually cylindrical) round trash can or similar.
Soda Factory: where soda is created from water, CO2 and proprietory syrup. Highly automated - and great pictures of all those bottles/cans whizzing around conveyer belts
Tin Can factories: 2 kinds: aluminium - cans are extruded from aluminium and printed on after that. (you try printing on a round, fragile can). Steel (think older beer cans and food tins): Steel is printed on and then rolled up and welded on a "soutronic welder". then the ends are put on. Impressive display.
Ice cream factories: and other food processing plants - usually a flow process with lots of tanks and pipes so you don't see a lot. B&J's was well set up so you could see the mixing of plain ice-cream, the adding of ingredients and the packing. Plus there were ice creams at the end.
Car factories: I have not seen one, but it would be fun to follow your car from chassis to completion, through paint-shop, production line and final quality checks. Just don't go on a Monday morning as you may get depressed. Be sure to ask questions about logistics (arrival of parts etc.) - this is one area the car industry is showing the way.
Computer factories/assemby plants: I have also not seen one, but these guys (i.e. Dell) have flexible manufacturing well sorted out - each computer can be different from the last.
Any Brewery (Score:1)
Tours I did... (Score:1)
HP Medical (now Agilent) in New Hampshire - the cool part was watching a wave soldering station and a very fast pick-and-place surface mount maching
Polaroid in MA - there was an awesome plastic injection molding machine for those little drawers in the film packs, plus the processing of the springs was cool.
Eastman Gelatine in Peabody, MA - not for the weak of stomach - they make gelatin, kosher, from cattle bones. We went through the whole process, which includes some pretty cool chemical vats. Watching the stuff ooze out in the last step was pretty cool.
Kodak in Rochester - we saw the manufacture of single use cameras. Some pretty cool machines that place the film in the camera, but most of it is manual. We also saw them make the kiosks that go into Wal-Mart for scanning and printing as well as the digital camera assembly. At their museum, you can look down into where most of the motion pictures are stored today.
Detroit - I'm from here and have toured the following plants: Lansing Grand River (not operational yet), Hamtramck (Full-size Caddies and Buicks), Orion (Full-Size Buick). Ford Windsor Engine plant. All very cool, but since I'm automotive it's all old hat.
Ford Explorer - Kentucky - at the time it was the fastest (87 per hour) assembly plant in the US. They don't start the Explorers until the last step of the process, unlike GM that has them idling for the last (seems like) half hour of the assembly process.
Alcoa - near Evansville, IN. Another very cool tour. Didn't get to see too much of the process, but what we saw (where the oxide is removed and the final rolling as well as some quality testing) was cool. That plant has about the best union-management relationship I've seen.
Dell - Austin TX. Not too much to see there, although interesting for geeks. There are some interesting things, such as how they handle their suppliers and how they do testing (they balked when I told them how they could save time and money using Linux for burn-in). We saw an Optiplex plant and a Workstation/Server plant.
Garrett Turbocharger - LA. If you can, watch them finish the test on a turbo unit. They pump air through it until it explodes to make sure it isn't dangerous. They have a laser welder that is very cool to watch. Interesting to see their precision since the tolerances on turbos are so tight.
Intel in Phoenix, AZ - You won't be able to do this tour, but very cool to see them make chips and discuss various clean room rules (sneezing, throwing up, etc.) Also, testing machines and very interesting to watch security measures (pre 9/11, even)
Boeing. You, of course have to do this tour. We saw the 777 line, but also toured the test facility where they were finishing up testing on one of the ISS modules, and toured where they make the wing spar (one solid piece of aluminum that is milled down)
Kitimat Aluminium Smelter et al. (Score:1)
Starrett (Score:2)
JPL Tour! (Score:1)
Re:JPL Tour! (Score:1)
Jack Daniels is made is a dry county. (Score:1)
http://www.jackdaniels.co.uk/oldno7/facts.asp#numb er13
A few years back, I got to go on the only Fermilab particle accelerator tour in like 15 years. I just happened to call on the day they were offering the tour. Unbelievable. It was great. They had all kinds of tour busses and stuff to take you around to the different parts. That place is insane!
Everyone missed a spot... (Score:2)