

Simple Windows Backup to CD/DVD? 123
Meri051846 asks: "I am looking for a simple backup for my own use. Ideally, this backup would be able to span from one CD to the next for 'overflow'. Right now I am just using 'Easy CD Creator' and choosing what I want backed up and saving it so that I can backup most every day or so. One problem I am having is that my backup material is growing and won't fit on one CD. Also, when I add new items to 'My Documents', for example, I have to go into my program and make sure that new document will be included in the backup. (Even when I ask 'Easy CD Creator' to update the backup, the new items are not included. It just updates the old ones.) It usually isn't, so I have to manually add it to my 'backup program'. I hope I am making myself clear. Is there any backup program that will fullfil my wishes or am I dreaming of 'things to come'?"
How much data (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How much data (Score:1)
A thought... (Score:2)
Re:A thought... (Score:2)
Re:A thought... (Score:2, Informative)
Unxutils for windows [sourceforge.net] (Includes tar, no cygwin, native)
zsh for windows [blarg.net] (no longer maintained)
And of course, cygwin comes with bash, there are probably others...
Cdrecord: Good documentation available? (Score:2)
Also, the link is to the alpha version, it appears. Where is the latest stable binary?
Re:Cdrecord: Good documentation available? (Score:1)
As far as documentation goes, the usage information provided by the program itself is pretty good/extensive, and the readmes have enought examples that you should be able to get started.
Re:Cdrecord: Good documentation available? (Score:2)
As for documentation, check out the CD-Burner Howto at the LDP or (dare I say) Read The Fine Manual :-).
Oh, you mean this? (Score:2)
Hey, BrokenHalo, thanks for the info. I suppose you mean:
CD-Writing HOWTO [tldp.org] and
Linux MP3 CD Burning mini-HOWTO [tldp.org] and
CD-Writing HOWTO: Troubleshooting [tldp.org]
Yes, I can RTFM, but it is a big time-saver to read the best documentation immediately, and not have to search for it.
Re:Oh, you mean this? (Score:2)
I was intending to thank you,... (Score:2)
Re:I was intending to thank you,... (Score:2)
Re:How much data (Score:1)
Or, even better, use incremental backup tools. Just make a full backup every once in a while, like once a month or even once a year. Then, do constant incremental backups, which only backup what has changed since the last backup. I unfortunately can't think of any off the top of my head, but I know they exist.
Windows Backup? (Score:3, Informative)
The file that is generated by Windows Backup apparently isn't compressed, so you can zip it up and save a good bit of space. If that still won't fit on a CD, I'm not entirely sure what to do. Will something like WinZip span CDs the way you used to be able to span floppies with PKZip? I've honestly never had to deal with that particular problem before...
JRjr
Re:Windows Backup? (Score:4, Informative)
For splitting the archives, WinRAR works extremely well. You can compare compression with RAR and ZIP yourself if you want, but I usually use RAR with maximum compression as I find this option usually gives me rather good compression, second only to bzip2 compression. There is a specific option for WinRAR to split directly to 700MB CD size, which you can then burn with CD Creator. The "700MB" size leaves a little under a meg free space on the CD (700MB CD-Rs are really 703MB and some change), so it works quite nicely. It can also split to 650MB CD size, or to a custom size (ideal for you DVD recorder users for the time being). But you do need the temporary disk space to do this.
Note also that Win2k/XP's Backup performs somewhat better (from my observations) if the output file is located on an NTFS partition rather than a FAT32 partition. No clue why, though. The output file MUST be on a separate partition if the entire partition will be backed up, or in a different directory if only selected directories will be backed up.
Happy archiving!
Re:Windows Backup? (Score:2)
Re:Windows Backup? (Score:1)
Re:Windows Backup? (Score:2)
rarbackup.bat and rarbackupfull.bat
rarbackup.bat backs up eveything changed sence the last backup and rarbackupfull backs up everything so you can do nightly runs of rarbackup and weekly or monthly runs of rarbackupfull. These files backup everything from D: and put the file in E:\backup\ and called the file backup+datastamp
Norton Ghost? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Norton Ghost? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Norton Ghost? (Score:2)
it requires a floppy drive, which i don't have so i haven't tried it.
Ghost or RAID? (Score:2, Insightful)
Have you considered putting another hard disk in the computer and putting daily GHOST images of your main data drive on it?
Have you considered sending daily GHOST images over the network to another computer?
The reason I ask is that backing up to optical media is a pain on such a large scale.
Mike
Re:Ghost or RAID? (Score:4, Informative)
dd if=/dev/ | ssh backups@backup.server | gzip > ~/--
and
ssh backups@backup.server cat ~/-- | dd of=/dev/
Note ssh already compresses so putting the gzip on the side of the client is a double whammy for the CPU, however if you have multiple boxes it may be more effective to do it that way.
Re:Ghost or RAID? (Score:1)
Re:Ghost or RAID? (Score:2)
RAID doesn't help if you delete or overwrite a file. RAID is not a substitute for backups.
RAID is never, never, never for backups (Score:3, Informative)
No! RAID is not a substitute for backups! The only thing RAID protects against is disk failure. Even assuming that RAID works perfectly, which it doesn't, how many other ways are there to lose data?
- Accidental deletion. Ever needed to get a file off backup because of your mistake?
- Accidental overwrite. "Crap, I lost my original!"
- Malicious attack. Better hope your antivirus is up to date.
- Catastrophe. Fire, flood, pow
Linux bootable CD (Score:2, Interesting)
It's possible to boot from a Linux CD and back up that way. You can make a disk image of your partition and back it up to multiple CD's. I think that it can even be done direct-to-CD. Mkcdrec might help you out, though I think it's targeted at Linux installations with additional partitions from other OSes, and might need a Linux distribution installed on the hard drive. Do a Google or Linux.org search for a data r
general hint (Score:2)
Re:general hint (Score:2)
Hint (Score:4, Informative)
Backup programs should clear the archive bit.
Just select files with the archive bit set. Setup WinZIP to make 700 meg zip files of all the files on your HD with the archive bit set except the dir where you store your zip files and then burn the zip files.
Also what you may want to do to start your backups is burn a knoppix CD and use it to make an image of your hd with dd. Then when you loose your hd you restore the image, boot windows and restore your zip files.
Just remember to create new images after you increase your hard drive size. as the image is only good for the size of your current drive.
Re:Hint (Score:2)
You can dd (or cat (easier imo)) the image to your larger hard drive and resize with GNU parted.
NTI (Score:4, Informative)
Another option: network-based backup (Score:4, Informative)
For example, you would set up this "spider" script to crawl all your Windows machines, mount
While very low-tech, this approach has the advantage that the backup archive is a plain zip file that you can browse and extract individual files from with tons of tools on just about any platform. Plus, after the initial archive creation (which takes a while for large directory structures), updates are very quick.
Mirror the backup to two different drives if you're paranoid. Two 120GB drives run less than $200 and provide quite a bit of home-level data safety. Get a couple of hard drive sleds so you can swap the drives out at any moment, and you're set.
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:1)
Your Mileage May Violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:3, Informative)
Well, XP can make sharing difficult, particularly when policies come into play. The easiest thing is to just mount
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:1)
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Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:1)
Make sure you specify the Administrator user in the mount options:
mount
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:1)
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:1)
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:2)
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Re:Another option: network-based backup (Score:2)
One thing I like about my setup is that it consists of about 10 lines of script. I can set it up on a virgin machine in no time at all. OTOH it's pretty spartan. It emails me the zip output, which typically consists of the added/changed files, but that's about it. This BackupPC package looks pretty nice and comprehensive.
Go to your local computer superstore... (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately for you, I don't recall the name of the package I'm using. Probably something like "BackupMyPC" or something like that. It had the two features I needed: Backup of network drives (some backup programs limit you so they can charge more for the 'professional' version) and backup directly to DVD - in this case a DVD+/-R/RW Firewire/USB2.0 (firewire worked, USB 2.0 didn't)
There were two different packages (same cost) that did what I needed. This one is an adaptation of, IIRC, Veritas backup software, so I chose it based on that.
Anyway, they exist. If you need to know the particular package I'm using, post a reply here to remind me, and I'll post it as a reply to this message in a day or two.
Nevermind, here it is [stompinc.com].
-Adam
Re:Go to your local computer superstore... (Score:1)
Re:Go to your local computer superstore... (Score:2)
What I do (Score:1)
Next. Buy a hard drive. Create a FAT32 partition spanning the entire disk. I reccomend getting a high capacity low speed Seagate drive. SCSI if possible. Copy all of your files you want backed up, but don't change often onto this disk. Then take the disk out of your computer, put it in a Sea-Shield and lock it in a fire safe (which you should have anyway).
All of your chan
Re:What I do (Score:3, Informative)
first
NERO=GOOD
second.
FAT32 will only do -40GB(i can't remember exactly),
third
seagate sucks for IDE get WD.
fourth, how about daily backups, should i get a new harddrive for every day?
fifth, how about "backup" data and not "archive" data. You need to back data up so that it may be restored with permissions and directoryies correctly.
sixth.
hey, if the drive CRASHES you can't really get the data off of it to use the windows "re-import all your settings
seventh
Who wants to reinstall windows and all the set
another tool (Score:1)
Dantz Retrospect is what you want (Score:4, Insightful)
Dantz Retrospect Professional [dantz.com] is less than $90 and will do everything you're looking for. Namely, it will allow you to backup to CD-R and will span your backups across multiple media if necessary. It keeps a catalog on your local hard drive of what files it has backed-up to which media, relieving you of having to manually specify which files have changed. (You can re-create this catalog if your HD dies by just feeding Retrospect all the media from the backup set, BTW.)
Retrospect does a full backup once, and then incremental backups from then on. This means that your incrementals happen very quickly, and your backup set will only grow as quickly as you create/change files on your computer. Retrospect also will backup the registry, so you can restore the entire system if necessary.
Lastly, Retrospect has a built-in scheduler that makes it easy to schedule nightly, unattended backups. Once you're getting a snapshot of your HD every night, you can go back to any point in time and recover a file as it existed on that particular date. Truly powerful stuff, and far, far beyond what NT Backup is capable of.
Oh, and there's a free 30-day trial version you can download from Dantz' website. Its fully-functional, and when you buy a full license you can just enter the new license key into the trial install to make it permenant. That way you don't have to re-install or copy your scripts and configurations from the trial install to the full install.
Encryption, but quirky interface (Score:2)
Comments about Dantz Retrospect:
Retrospect has encryption built in. This is valuable, since you can take the CDs and put them anywhere for safe-keeping, like at work if they are a home backup. However, the encryption was the CPU intensive DES. Is this still true?
Retrospect had a weird, annoying interface that was a combination of a bad design and an incomplete port from the original Mac platform. Is this still true?
Retrospect also leaves 30 megabyte files on your hard drive that are necessary i
Re: (Score:2)
Encryption (Score:2)
Often "simple" encryption schemes have been weak. (Score:2)
Threat Evaluation (Score:2)
Re:Dantz Retrospect is what you want (Score:2)
It can be picky about backup hardware. Make sure your backup hardware is on their supported hardware list.
Low tech: scheduled batch, zip and CD-RW (Score:5, Informative)
I used a relatively simple MS-DOS batch file for just this purpose for years. All you need are 24 CD-RW (for one year's worth of backups), Zip (WinZIP's command line is what I used), a CD drive that can be accessed as a drive letter (Drive Letter Access (DLA) or some other proprietary name), and basic command line ability.
Have the batch compress each folder into a temp file by the same name (in \windows\temp or something) and then copy each to CD-RW. Use Window's scheduler (all have it, I use Win95a) to run the batch every night and rotate CD-RWs for each day of the week ("child"). Each Friday, rotate one of four separate CD-RW's ("father", a child grows up), and the first Friday of every month, retire one permenantly ("grandfather", a father stops working).
I actually clean off the temp zip files each night and re-write them in entirety. There are more complex, only-changed-since-last-backup, archive bit methods, but I like this simple-minded organization and being able to have immediate access to any previous day within 7, any previous week within 4, and any previous month indefinitely. Plus the Zip files in temp are redundant with the CD, meaning every file exists three places at any time. Also, media is not re-used too often in this scheme (it retires when "old"), and there aren't multi-media dependencies which can botch the entire system if a single tape goes bad.
Of course, this was up to a few months ago when my drive crashed, I completely bailed to Linux, and re-wrote the whole thing as a Bash script. I also now have more content than will fit on a disk bzipped, but it's essentially the same process except that I have odd/even day staggering and only half the redundancy. But at least I always know what's on any given disk and know how to go back to any given time to find backups if needed. (The BackupExec our NT servers use at work, OTOH, is abysmal in reliability, setup and actually trying to restore a file in less than an hour. Probably theoretically more sound, but darned if I can see that it has more *practical* application.)
Serious backup (Score:2)
MOD PARENT UP!!!
The parent post describes a serious backup scheme, and shows how complicated it is to do it right.
I agree about BackupExec. I've had enormous troubles with Veritas products (formerly Seagate). Two years of arguing with Veritas technical support brought no sufficient answers. (But, my information is now old, since I've had nothing to do with Veritas recently.)
One necessity the parent post did not mention: Encryption. Backups need to be encrypted. They need to be stored in a physi
The KISS principle for backup security. (Score:3, Interesting)
Go to the bike store and get a big lock. Make sure the spindle hole of a CD will fit over the locking bar. Then simply impale your backup set on the lock. Physically securing a key is something we're all trained at doin
Re:Low tech: scheduled batch, zip and CD-RW (Score:2)
I wrote a backup script in Cygwin's bash that avoids the problem of having a huge amount of redundanct backups. It is somewhat like one-way file synchronisation with versioning.
Assume that your source and destination for the backup are both on normal RW filesystems (a standard CDRW won't do, but a UDF formatted on using In-CD / DirectCD will).
The script uses standard *nix utilities to scan the source and destination, and determine which files (if any) have changes (using md5 hashes). The destination d
Are you comfortable giving copies? (Score:2)
Re:Are you comfortable giving copies? (Score:2)
I've tidied up the current version and put it up at http://www.crypt.co.za/files/StorStuff.sh [crypt.co.za]. Please be sure to read the warnings at the top of the script.
If you try it on a non-Cygwin system, I'd appreciate any feedback.
Re:Low tech: scheduled batch, zip and CD-RW (Score:2)
There's also a space penalty for formatting a CD in packet format, but intelligent drivers can minimize that. I guess using CD-RW's, that's really minimal, whereas with CD-R's it can be
DLA sometimes crashes Windows XP. (Score:2)
You mentioned "Drive letter access" packet-writing schemes. I've had problems with Roxio's DLA version crashing Windows XP, literally causing Windows XP to re-boot without warning.
Freeware solution... (Score:3, Interesting)
It does all you require...writes from network drives, writes to cd's via Roxio's DirectCD, and the price is right. :)
But, investing in a DVD-RW is the way to go when your cd's get full. http://www.mlin.net/RapidBackup.shtml
Message about Nero to Ahead Software (Score:4, Funny)
On August 4, I sent this message to Nero technical support:
To: Nero (Ahead Software) Technical Support (techsupport@nero.com)
Subject: Does Nero have the Roxio flaw?
Does Nero 6 Ultra Edition burn to DVD all the files in a directory that is included in a compilation, or just the files that were there when the compilation was made?
Roxio Easy CD Creator saves only the files that were in the original compilation, even though more files may have been added to the folder. This is, in my opinion, a big problem, since it means that a new compilation must be made every time for folders in which files are frequently added.
I got back a generic, useless answer:
Dear valued Customer,
Thank you for your email.
Nero is a powerful program it will backup all files.
If you have any further questions please do not hestitate to contact us.
best regards
Ismael
US Ahead Support Team
Re:Message about Nero to Ahead Software (Score:2)
--SNIP--
Nero is a powerful program it will backup all files.
Well, they seem to be answering your question, albeit in few words.
Yes, that is certainly one interpretation. (Score:2)
Probably paid by the question, ignoring quality. (Score:2)
Re:Welcome to Outsourcing... (Score:2)
Encryption is necessary. (Score:3, Insightful)
ARCO IDE (Score:1)
CDR and Optical Media Sucks (Score:2, Informative)
There's lots of research on what happens to CDR's after several years, unfortunately they haven't been around that long (in mass use).
After my latest catastrophe, I've switched to backing to a portable HD, AND making 2 annual backups to CDR (using DIFFERENT brands of CDR). Hopefully Koda
Re:CDR and Optical Media Sucks (Score:1)
WinZip 9 beta now supports encyption. (Score:3, Informative)
The new WinZip 9.0 beta [winzip.com] has AES encryption, that is being added in the best possible way:
AES Encryption Information [winzip.com]
AES Coding Tips for Developers [winzip.com]
There are many new features to this upgrade [winzip.com]. Upgrades are free to registered users.
WinZip has a spanning option: "-&[w] Span to multiple removable disks. Use the optional w suffix to wipe out all files on the removable disk." However, I've never used it, and I don't think it writes directly to DVDs or CDs. There is no way to have WinZip span to multiple zip files of specified length, apparently.
Stomp's software works well (Score:1)
http://www.reed-electronics.com/ednmag/media/au d io compression.htm
Just use XCOPY not WinZip (Score:2, Interesting)
Zipping up the entire directory every day (or every couple of
The one I've been using (Score:2)
No biz / financial ties to NovaStor, just a satisfied customer.
DDB
for free (Score:1)
mod +1 ironically funny (Score:1)
Handy Backup (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a pretty slick program, and I recommend it, having used it for the past year and a half on my own server.
check out DiscSafe (Score:1)
use tar + cdrecord (Score:1)
Run tar outputting to a fifo and set it to start a new "tape" (man tar) at around 700Mb, and cdrecord the fifo.
Dunno how this works for incremental backups, and I've only done this under linux, so YMMV.
Backup Alternatives (Score:2)
With 160GB HD's available for US$100 the space isn't much of an issue. Also Unison is p
compression - NOT RAR (Score:2)
Scripted backup (Score:2)
Something that will make a big tarball, split it into CD sized chunks (700Mb?) and write each chunk to a cd with cdrecord.
It doesn't have to be an iso, any chunk of data which is a multiple of 2048 bytes can be burned to a CD.
You can restore it by "dd if=/dev/scd0 of=chunk01 bs=2048"
then the second cd with "dd if=/dev/scd0 of=chunk02 bs=2048" etc..
then cat c
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:3, Informative)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
In my experience the vast majority of data recovery requirement has been due to user error. With a RAID setup, whilst you have data redundancy, it cannot substitute for backups in cases of accidental deletion and overwrite.
The use of a hard disk(s) as a backup medium, however, has been for me the cheapest and fastest method. Take the backup drives out of the system when you are not actively backing up data.
If you were (as someone already suggested)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:4, Insightful)
This also makes me wonder why anyone hasn't implemented a VAX-like versioning filesystem for Linux (maybe they have and I'm not aware of them). The idea is that when a file is saved, only the changes are saved (sort of like with CVS or something). This way any specific version of a file can be recovered. Combine this with RAID and I think you might have a fairly compelling backup solution.
Since high density tapes now cost more per GB than cheap hard drives, it seems like the backup industry would capitalize on this and start making hard-drive backup systems that provide full on-line access to backups. I know ADSM can be configured in such a manner, but I'd prefer a solution more suitable for home usage.
Katie (Score:2)
There's an abandoned project called SnapFS [sourcefrog.net] that worked as an extension of the ext3 filesystem, but it seems long dead. There's more mention of it here [lwn.net] as well.
Hmmm...doing some
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
This isn't how the VMS filesystem works. It actually creates an entirely new copy of the file, incrementing the version number. As you may imagine this often takes up lots of disk space, so the PURGE comma
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
This is not to say there's anything wrong with them but please either describe the actual setup or give the manufacturer's name (and preferably a link to their own description
Thanks!
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:4, Insightful)
rm -rf, worms, trojans, etc.. RAID does nothing for these.
Use rsync-incremental, or rdiff-backup for backing up your unix-like systems to other disks. Both are excellent backup solutions (use them in addition to RAID for full protection).
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:2)
rsync is exactly what I use at the enterprise level. We use rsync to keep the data mirrored on another machine "waiting in the wings" so to speak in case something bad happens. To be more specific, we have a main machine that is only on a private address. All changes are triple checked on it. The data then propogates out to slaves with round robin dns. We run a DLT stacker on the main machine. I keep forgetting that most people don't run *NIX on their workstations at home. I really don't worry too much ab
Re:hard drives are cheap (Score:1)
I rsync the 'important' stuff on my FreeBSD box to another friend's box, and he does the same. Instead of mounting my windows drive through Samba, I just burn a CD whenever my spidey sense tells me I'm due
Why you still need a backup (Score:2)
For this you need backup, and offsite backup at that.
I learned this almost twenty yars ago when I wa a young'un. Had a CPA drive up to the shop's doorstep one early April morning with a natsy, smelly back box in the back seat of his Mecedes. It was his company's minicomputer, which had been damaged in a fire during late tax season. He had backed it up religiously, but had stored the backups on top of the computer unfortunately.
(2) Screw-ups
A raid doesn't keep you from deleting or worse, over