What's the Worst Job Posting You've Seen? 1214
Kickstart70 asks: "Recently myself and a number of friends of mine who work or worked in IT jobs have been remarking on absolutely horrible job postings for low-level IT jobs paying small change. It seems the headhunters and employers are still wanting knowledge in everything, at least one degree but preferably two, and want to keep employees on minimal wages (in the job listing linked, the wage is in Canadian dollars). Is this common everywhere? What's the worst job posting you have seen?"
Interesting requirements... (Score:5, Funny)
> WINNT is nice to have.
Don't do it! The organization is clearly run by crazies.
My favorite part:
Software List: Some or all would be preferred.
I mean, damn, $17-$19 is pretty good for Help Desk, even if it is bilingual, but anyone who is familiar with all of the items on that list should make more than God himself. Of course, the poster of this probably works for Kelly Services anyway.
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:3, Funny)
That's like... (Score:5, Funny)
...$0.37 American these days, right? You can do better than that making shoes in Thailand.
You're right (Score:4, Funny)
That's true, but I'm so used to heaping shit on the Canadian currency after *years* of it tanking that it's like a reflex now. ;)
US is still up a bit over the last 10 years tho.
Only thing about a weak dollar is it makes good German beer more expensive. Fucking Greenspan.
Subsidized drugs? Bullshit. Shorter patents. (Score:3, Interesting)
However you missed the boat on drugs. Drugs are NOT subsidized in Canada. Nor is dental work, nor are eyeglasses. But, patent life in Canada is shorter. This means there is more competion, and medicine is cheaper. Ah well, you are right Can
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:5, Insightful)
17-19$ Goes a long way in Edmonton (I beleive thats where the job is) compared to lets say Vancouver or Toronto where you'd need at least 25$/hour.
You guys have to remember, you will have a better living standard with 17$/hour Canadian in Edmonton, than if your doing 30$/hour USD in Sillicon Valley.
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:3, Informative)
Not fair man! (Score:3, Funny)
(This is true, btw. The phones here are completely counter-intuitive on how you answer them in headset mode)
My Job (Score:5, Funny)
Benefits Package: none, contract basis, terminatable at any time without severance package
Pay: $14 Canadian/hour
Wait a minute... what am I doing? Is anyone looking for a developer (or hardware engineer for that matter)?
Real posting... (Score:5, Funny)
It was real posting to a real job list, which I thought was very funny, but the poster got banned from the list for their sense of humor.
Re:Real posting... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a great way to get in lots of trouble. In the US, by law, you better be able to show an association between the requirements between what a you put on a job posting, and how it is necessary for work. Taking your example above, needing to be Fluent in Sanskrit. If I apply to that job I could go the EEOC and say that the requirements are BS and I am qualified and should have been hired.
Think of it another way, if I said (for an IT job), "blacks need not apply." Being black would have nothing to do with IT work, I would have my ass-served in a hand-basket to the EEOC. The company that let me post that would be in big trouble and I would likely to be out of a job.
To take another recent example, jobs that are requiring an SAT score. These companies said that having a high-SAT score related in could job performance. If they said that, they better be able to prove it (which I doubt). SAT scores are used to determine the grades of freshman going to college, not a mark to determine your job skills. You complain that you did not get a job because of your SAT scores that you took 10 years ago, you can get money out of those companies.
Just because a company says it true, does not make it true. They have an obligation to society to serve its interests as well as their own.
Re:Real posting... (Score:5, Interesting)
IQ tests mean very little at any point. The bulk of the 'research' done to support the use of IQ tests has been either tainted with eugenic/racist theories or outright fraudulent. Stephen Jay Gould did the cannonical debunking of them in 'the mismeasure of man'.
When I was at high school I posted some IQ scores that were well outside the standard range - 160 to 180. That is because the school was a selective school and we had a weekly coaching session on the exam to get into the upper school. My scores went from upper decile to 2 to 3 standard deviations above the mean. All through coaching and practice.
Then when we got into the upper school we were told that research shows that the results are innate. I said the results had to be faulty since the entitre class of us had shown the same type of improvement (not necessarily as extreeme). Thats the point where I discovered that English public schools can hire some awfully stupid geography teachers. The science staff backed me up though.
Odd thing was that despite all that testing the school never picked up the fact I have a form of dyslexia.
Re:Real posting... (Score:4, Funny)
Hey, you insensitive clod,....
Damn, I just realized I don't know how to say "fluent in Sanskrit" in Sanskrit. Another fine "insensitive clod" joke ruined.
Re:Real posting... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Real posting... (Score:3)
The other good one was from MadTV...
"Talk faster... Talk FASTER... TALK FASTER..."
N.
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:5, Informative)
Although French-English bilingualism is common in the eastern provinces, it is rare in the west. Less than 7% in BC [ocol-clo.gc.ca] and Alberta [ocol-clo.gc.ca]. I would say this percentage is even smaller within the techie demographic.
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:4, Funny)
French French and Canadian French?
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:4, Funny)
You mean as opposed to most helpdesk techs? *grin*
This is part of the problem here in the U.S. - companies hire lots of barely- or non-technical staff to handle the helpdesk, and they end up simply being call routers to the real techs, freeing those people from having to answer the phone.
I've heard the helpdesk at one company I've worked with referred to as "Victoria's Secret".
i.e., they're there purely for show and don't really support anything at all.
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:4, Insightful)
(remembering a translated manual referring to "water-sheep")
Re:Interesting requirements... (Score:3, Funny)
My Own (Score:5, Funny)
The worst I've seen?
The job posting to find the person who will replace me.
Re:My Own (Score:5, Funny)
Finding out you're unqualified.
Re:My Own (Score:5, Funny)
One day I'm overhearing the receptionist talking to a prospective sysadmin calling for my job "well sir.. before we process your resume.. do you have a problem with porn? how about animal porn? ohh well ok then. thanks anyways"
Glad I left? yep! That place and Ralsky deserved each other.
Re:My Own (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:My Own (Score:3, Funny)
Me, I'd remember that kind of stuff before I took a machine in for repair.
Wiretapping?? (Score:3, Insightful)
As a Sysadmin you have full rights to anything on the servers and LAN that you or your employers own. Wiretapping does not come into play unless the government does it, or the government has somone do it as their agent. The only type of recording employers can not do is voice without the notifying their employees that they are subject to monitoring and recording. (However in Penna, you have to have the consent of both parties for a voice recording.)
Email belongs to th
Who'd take that crappy job? (Score:3, Funny)
I count 163 things (well, wc -l counted it) on that list of things they want prospects to know. Obviously that job involves too much work and would interfere with reading
Anyone that applies is obviously beyond geekdom and is to be pitied.
Requirements that end up in a checksum failure... (Score:5, Funny)
"Requirements: 5 years experience with Windows 2000..."
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:3, Funny)
"Requirements: 5 years experience with Windows 2000..."
Ok if one wanted 5 years of experience with win2k, they would need to go forward in time, to say 2005. Not backwards, because win2k was not created yet.
Again my apologies for being a nitpick.
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:5, Funny)
How about dogs years?
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:5, Funny)
3 years with Java V1.31a7c
2 years Swing V2.93xL
Must have this experience on a Sun station running Solaris 5.839.
The above is an exaggeration, but only slightly.
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:3, Funny)
I've used it 20 hours a week from 2000 to 2003, and 20 other hours a week from 2000 to 2003.
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:3, Interesting)
We're actually seeking candidates with three years of XP experience. We also brought in an instructor with a resume listing five years of
Sometimes the requirements aren't impossible, just extremely improbable. When I applied here for an entry SQA job several years ago, I was told that I need to have a Bachelors degree in Software Quality Assurance. At the time, there was only one college in the US that offered such a degree. Everyplace
Re:Requirements that end up in a checksum failure. (Score:4, Insightful)
Mebbe. However, following the principle that one should first look to stupidity before one claims that there is conspiracy, I'd say that requirements like our example arises when a manager tells the job shop, ``I need someone with 6 years of experience with Windows. You know -- NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Windows XP." And the recruiter then decides to simplify the requirements by stating that the position requires ``6 years of experience with Windows XP."
And six months later, the recruiter can't understand why he isn't making his quota.
Geoff
Several good sites (Score:3, Informative)
http://fuckthatjob.com/index.php
E-mails of the suthibut family (doesn't seem to be updated)
http://blog.postapocalypse.com/dave/dav
Lots of them here (Score:5, Informative)
Gotta do something to give that CEO his bonus (studies show that executive compensation has gone up over 17% in the past year. Bah.)
Re:Lots of them here (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Lots of them here (Score:5, Insightful)
Enough to justify that the average CEO get a 1000 times in wages what his engineers get?
Re:Lots of them here (Score:3, Insightful)
But it is NOT easy. the competition is always there, working harder. Every time you have a great product someone else has just made it cheaper in Taiwan.
Uh, wouldn
Re:Lots of them here (Score:4, Insightful)
It is a generally pervasive social condition that CEOs have extremely high pay rates. Why? Corruption and cronyism at the top of a profitable company aren't enough to sink a company, and such things are extremely attractive. I'm, frankly, amazed at the general level of dishonesty and self-serving behavior exhibited by top-level folks I've seen.
There are a couple of legitimate potential reasons to pay your CEO a lot of money. The first is that CEO candidates are extremely rare -- much like how a scientist in an extremely new and lucrative materials science field might make a healthy salary. I don't buy this. There are a ton of business graduates each year. A business degree is one of the easiest degrees to get. MBA work is absolutely trivial compared to something like a good hard science *undergrad* degree.
Another possibility is that you are really getting a lot of quality for your money. Again, aside from connections (which ties back into the whole dishonest cronyism that I'm irritated about), I'm curious as to what kind of value a particular CEO candidate has that merits that he be paid thousands of times what his peers are paid. Given the degree to which markets are unpredictable and other factors, I have a hard time believing that past performance of companies a CEO has headed is a particularly strong indicator of future prediction. I'm *very* dubious that an expensive CEO (10 million a year) is better than a cheap CEO (100 thousand a year) plus 99 $100K/year engineers. That's an awful lot of additional product that you can provide.
A final possibility is that a job is so onerous that one must pay a phenomenal sum to get someone to do it. I don't buy it. At a good-sized company, VPs and above are generally treated awfully well. Business life is an ongoing series of company-paid conventions at fancy hotels and resorts. You may need to be ready to respond 24/7 if there's a corporate disaster (think 9/11), but I suspect that there are a lot of folks that would be in at work in another 9/11. You do run the risk of being a corporate scapegoat ("we fixed our problems by switching our CEO"), but if you work for just four years at $10 million a year, you have an awfully comfortable retirement lined up.
I suspect that most companies could get by with significantly less management than they have.
Another issue to take into account -- in traditional business from a hundred years ago (say, manufacturing), the higher level employees tended to get promoted "from the ranks". Your plant manager was (roughly, and in ideal) the most competent of your middle managers, who were the most competent of your low-level managers, who were the most competent of your bottom-line workers. It made a lot of sense to maintain a pay hierarchy.
That is not the case any more. You generally don't have any folks in the upper ranks (VP and up) that worked their way up from the bottom. There is no even approximation of a meritocracy. You hire business students to become execs. Furthermore, a big move has been made to make business a generic field -- business schools produce students that are interchangable between various companies. An exec generally does *not* have much domain knowledge about his company. He knows a set of business models and processes, how to interpret charts, and the like. As a result, the folks populating executive and engineering positions are drawn from entirely different stock. Execs have business degrees, engineers have engineering degrees. The legacy of a pay hierarchy still happens to live on, however, despite the fact that it requires much less rigorous education to become a business student, and that there is a larger available pool.
All that being said, I (an engineer) don't care too much. If I wanted to earn more money, there are a lot of things that I could do that would improve my salary. However, I pretty much eat, drink, and live my field, on the job and off, so I'm pr
Re:Lots of them here (Score:4, Insightful)
CEOs aren't the only ones that work 18 hour days, and most of the others that DO work those kind of hours don't get to spend a good portion of them on the golf course or at lunch with business associates.
But it seems to me we should NOT ever underestimate the incredible skills of the men and women that create our wealth and keep our companies running.
I'm glad your boss inspires you with his skill and leadership, but most of these yahoos running companies are self-serving greedy pigs that do not give a god damn rat's ass about the company OR their employees' well-being. Else, you would see more company loyalty and less bitching. You're a CTO, you're at the top of the food chain, so your commentary about how valuable the CEO is to the people that bust their ASSES making money for companies like yours is meaningless. Put some time in the trenches of a company run by your typical night-school MBA executives and you'll understand what I mean. Until then, put your toys away, get back in your Escalade, and stfu.
Re:Lots of them here (Score:5, Insightful)
Few CEOs "created" the successful company that they're now pillaging. If they did, they seldom have huge compensation because they already have a massive investment in the company (see Bill Gates - I don't hear anyone complaining about Bill's compensation). Where they were a founder and they're now pillaging, that's usually a sign that it's going down the toilet.
So.. why not be the CEO then? If it's so easy to do, why isn't everyone doing it? Part of the skill isn't just in the work required to BE a CEO, but the fairly diverse skill set required to BECOME one in the first place.
If only the world were so ideal. Your commentary is largely as realistic as telling a peasant in feudalist England that if being a Lord is so easy, why don't they just go and be one. Most CEOs are the spawn of powerful families with powerful connections and tremendous wealth - I think you'll find very few biographies that start in a poor ghetto.
The reality is that most CEO's are truly good people. They work hard, and work to make their companies as good as possible.
No one said that they aren't good people, but there is an element to human greed that comes into play when people are given such unchecked power. Read the book Animal Farm (or re-read it) as it's quite insightful.
As far as CEOs working as hard as they can to make "their" company (sure it's their's...once their $10 million in "incentive" stock options vest so they can immediately divest them) successful, how about this: You, Mrs. CEO, have the right to put down as much of your family's hard earned money as you want, on the open market, to buy company shares. I know that you'll be so dedicated, so talented, so visionary, that this will be nothing less than an extraordinary investment as you steer the organization to success. We will all applaud you when you reap the rewards of good stewardship.
Oh, what's that? You don't want to risk a penny of your money on this dump? You insist that we give you ridiculously under-priced stock options with no time-limitations? You insist that we line your contract with departure bonuses so no matter how much you screw up you're guaranteed a wealthy future regardless? You insist that there is rampant inbreeding among boards that you and all of your friends sit on, basically putting the wolves in charge of the hen house?
Oooh, sounds like a deal to me.
Re:Lots of them here (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Lots of them here (Score:3, Insightful)
Your boss must read /. I can't think of any other reason for being such a sycophant.
The real truth, Michael, is that the average CEO is indeed a hard working individual, but not so hard that he deserves to make hundreds of times the rate of pay of his line employees. His hard work, after all, is one component of the job. If any CEO is doing it all himself, he either is a company of one employee, or he needs to learn to delegate.
Oh, and about it being damned hard to make money? Not really; you just have
CAD$38K ASP Programmer (Score:4, Funny)
Re:CAD$38K ASP Programmer (Score:5, Funny)
Keep in mind (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Keep in mind (Score:5, Insightful)
When there's a perception that the employee should be thankful for any job they can get, the employer is free to screw them over.
Welcome to the 21st century (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's face it. IT salaries got way ahead of themselves in during the boom. Now the pendulum swings the other way
Have you looked at what a teacher makes or any other number of degree-requiring professions? CAD$40k might sound sucky to you, but I'm betting there's a lot of unemployed IT ppl out there right now who'd take it in a snap.
Re:Welcome to the 21st century (Score:5, Insightful)
As an executive who out-sourced some work to India and also hires plenty of US talent, I can tell you that highly-skilled US programmers who understand the domain they are working in (health care, telecom, finance, etc) will still command top-dollar.
Just today (yes, today), I had a major schedule slip that could cost the company millions over that cheap labor. In their defense, the requirement that was given to them was incorrect, and they did a superb job of implementing the system. However, a US based programmer with knowledge of the domain (telecom in this case) would have recognized the requirement as incorrect and would have implemented correct code anyway. As an aside, she said the Big-5 consultancies do a horrible job and providing people with domain expertise, in spite of claims to the contrary.
Just this week I spent time with a fellow executive from a major ILEC. She told me that they are outsourcing Java work to India like there is no tommorow. However, highly-skilled programmers with true knowledge of the business are still paid as high as they ever were (which is my experience in my organization as well).
If you want my advise, learn the industry you want to work in. Programming skills are cheap, I don't care how good you are. Business knowledge is still a damn rarity. Business knowledge and the ability to implement it in systems is almost impossible to find. That means it is paid well for.
Oh yeah, most resumes I see from programmers who think they know the business don't know nearly as much as they think. Spend as much time learning the business as your programming skills, and I think you'll be fine.
Business knowledge is still a damn rarity (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting that you assume as an executive I don't know much about the IT systems I oversee. Would it suprise you to learn that I have published papers, articles, and a book on the subjects of distributed and parallel computing as well as object-oriented design theory? I rose through the ranks with technical skills, not business skills. I learned my business skills on the job.
I have hired as many people since the "bubble-burst" in March 2000 in the US as in India (actually, probably a bit more in the US). Of course, that probably interfers with your world-view of my type. I have also spent no training money in India, but plenty in the US. I require my outsourcing company to provide trained people, but I hire "fresh" people and train them routinely. Of course, that probably interferes with your world-view of my type as well.
You are free to think I am overpaid, but I can point to plenty of my fellow executives (defined as Director level and above by most business-experts) that make well less that highly-skilled software engineers.
The spec error I missed was buried in hundreds of pages of specs, reviewed by teams of people. You may find this hard to believe, but I have never in my life seen a perfect spec. If you pick up great works of fine literature, you can easily find spelling and gramatical errors. The mistake that I missed was a single missing word.
But, you obviously have a view that no one can change. I feel sorry for people who are so convinced they know everything.
Re:fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. (Score:4, Insightful)
Hm. I can't help but notice the humor here. And by humor I mean "the fact that you are a complete and total hypocritical asshole"
Honestly, how can you smack this guy down for claiming he knows something about what other people do right after you've presumed to know all about his job and what he knows or doesn't know?
You are a tool, my friend, in every sense of the word. And your attitude completely betrays the truth of this statement... you're very bitter about your tool status. Sorry. Maybe next life!
Re:Welcome to the 21st century (Score:3, Interesting)
Job listing I want to see (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead we see:
Must have 10 years of programming in language A that has been around for 4 years. Most know X,Y,Z. We don't care if you can learn X,Y,Z or understand the theory behind X,Y,Z, you must know it because it is a nice buzz-word right now. Be prepared to unlearn X,Y,Z and learn G,H,J when they become the new buzzwords. We don't want you to think, we want you code!! code!! code!!
But I digress.
'Knowing' isn't enough... (Score:5, Interesting)
I recall going through one ad, getting excited because I really did have the experience they wanted (Unix, C++, etc.). But then I came to the deal-killer, in all caps: "APPLICANT MUST HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR A MEDICAL EQUIPMENT SUPPLIER."
Re:Job listing I want to see (Score:5, Insightful)
There's several theories around HR and hiring that are based on behavioural observations. ie that what you have done before, you will do again.(Yes you can change behaviours, but it's hard and takes a while, so you're better of hiring someone that has those behaviours already).
Basically, you ask questions that relate to the behaviours that you want. Eg, for a sysadmin, I need someone with integrity - that won't go stealing passwords, building backdoors, or downing the system if they happened to get laid off.So you can ask a question like "Everyone breaks the rules sometime. Is there a specific situation where you broke the rule that in retrospect you think you shouldn't have ?"
In effect, you keep probing for proof of past behaviour. Generalizations are not acceptable. You need specific instances. "Do you have an example of that?", "What specifically was your role?", "Could you be more specific?" etc
Some of you may have encountered this in interviews. There are some 'interview tip' sites that actually talk about this. It can be quite akward for both the interviewer and interviewee, but I have found it to be quite effective.
I have a theory that part of the effectiveness is that the interviewee has not been exposed to this before, so I usually ask if they are familiar with it up front and explain it may be unusual and somewhat uncomfortable, but don't worry, everyone else is going through the same hell.
Oddest requirements (Score:3, Informative)
This sort of requirement has settled down to MS Word now, but not long ago technical staff that could work out how to use any word processing package in detail with less than five minutes with a manual (or ten without) were not considered unless they listed a particular word processing package on their resume. I had about twelve listed on mine for such situations, from Chiwriter up. All this is irrelevant, however, when you submit the resume as a PDF file and the empl
Re:Job listing I want to see (Score:3, Insightful)
In the real world, programs that I write will run orders of magnitude faster than ones that you write. Of course, this may not matter to you, writing simple web or dialog box code that interfaces with a db containing a few thousand items(or less). But my code can scale to processing millions, even billions of items. Can you say that? Of course not, you wouldn't know the difference between an n^2 and a log(n
Re:Job listing I want to see (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Job listing I want to see (Score:3, Interesting)
Hell, even as a grad student,
Mail room (Score:5, Funny)
Would you want to hire someone who was either a) so uncapable that working the mail room is the peak of their abilities or b) so ambition-free that they had multiple years of mailroom experience without advancing?
Re:Mail room (Score:3, Insightful)
I was rasied in an exceedingly poor family. To quote a song: "People that say 'Money is the root of all that kills' have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas."
We were so poor, we didn't even qualify for welfare (actually, we were denied welfare because we were white... we were told that if we were a minority, we would have qualified. I like to spin the story to "too poor to get welfare," I find it more amusing than the sa
Re:Mail room (Score:3, Interesting)
um wtf? (Score:3, Interesting)
? except for the rediculous amount of qualifications needed for that poisition, it seems like any other job posting ive seen for helpdesk. also 19 bucks an hour is alot of money to most entry level people i know (including myself). it should be noted that the rent in edmonton for a small apartment is usually around 500 CAN/mth and with this job working 40 hours a week would make like 3k.
how is 3k a month bad? have you tried looking for work lately? im tryign to find a job doing similar things in vancouver and would be more than happy with 12 or 13 dollars an hour. that would cover rent and internet and all that.
wtf is the poster on? does he expect everyone to be making 50k+ a year?
be grateful for what you have (Score:4, Insightful)
After finding out that the raises one year would be much smaller than expected, a coworker of mine complained about it. I looked at him in bafflement, and told him he should be thankful to be getting a raise at all. He should be happy to have a job at all.
For that matter, I later reflected, he should be happy simply that he makes enough money to have food to eat, to provide for himself and his loved ones, and not to have to go to bed wondering where his next meal will be coming from. All of us that can say that should be thankful for it.
Yes, the job the submitter pointed to isn't spectacular pay, but it's enough to feed and clothe yourself in comfort. That's more than most people in the world can say. Try to keep a sense of perspective while you're busy complaining about things.
Re:be grateful for what you have (Score:4, Insightful)
I mean, come ON. This "well, at least we're making enough to get by!" attitude is being seriously exploited by those with "let's take all we possibly can" attitudes. Yes, it's good to be satisfied with what you have in a philosophical sense, but when you're dealing with the world of capitalism it makes perfect sense to do everything you possibly can (including unionization, etc.) to get as much compensation for your services as humanly possible.
Re:be grateful for what you have (Score:5, Insightful)
If they think they can get you to do it without quitting, THEY WILL.
Just because I'm luckier than most in the world, doesn't mean I have to stand there and let some corporate goon give it to me in the ass.
Reminds me of a little game (Score:3, Funny)
foreign workers (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:The job posting for when it leaves... (Score:4, Funny)
Karma Whore :)
Plus, why all the <br> tags? And didn't your mommy teach you to use xhtml? Use <br /> instead.
On-Call Outlook/Exchange Admin (Score:5, Interesting)
As soon as I see 'Administer Outlook/Exchange' and 'on-call 24/7', I don't care how much it pays.
Besides, I don't have 5 years experience with 2K/XP. I don't know if they do that to weed out liars or what, but it's a big red flag to me that the employer is reality-challenged.
Worst I've seen (Score:3, Informative)
Mirrored copy:
Re:Worst I've seen (Score:3, Insightful)
80 hour weeks for $45K/year is like $22.5K/year for 40 hour weeks - not even that, since the second 40 hours per week are a lot harder than the first 40. Sorry, but people who pride themselves on giving everything in exchange for nothing (and look down on others who won't) are fools. (Not that I wouldn't want such self-sacrificing fools to work for
Re:Worst I've seen (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, they're residents.
This guy has laid out that what the position requires is professionalism and pride in your work. If you want to be a clock-monkey, don't show up. He clearly states that initially you get paid be
I've got one that's worse. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Too Much Experience Requiried? (Score:3, Funny)
It was bad enough that they wanted MSCE certification in addition, but wanting fifteen years experience with Linux?! ROFL!
More Experience than Possible (Score:5, Funny)
I'm not even entirely sure whether they had a version of VS .NET which would compile(as in the program not stuff it created) in the spring of 1998. Ahh well, such is lunacy.
County of riverside (Score:5, Funny)
Can I complain about bad interviews to? I submitted a story about bad interviews but its been pending in the que for *6 weeks* (what does that mean?). I had an interview for qualcomm for a 1 month temp position, and the interviewer asked a bunch of jack-ass quesitons, but this one sent me over the edge "where do you see yourself in 5 years?". To this I replied, "Not working at qualcom for 4 years and 11 months!"
McDonalds (Score:3, Funny)
Now hiring losers!!!
from what i've seen (Score:5, Funny)
Good luck filling this one... (Score:3, Funny)
Linux Kernel Engineer
Please submit resume in MS Word format.
Rediculous Experience Requirements (Score:3, Funny)
too true to be funny (Score:5, Funny)
How to decode an Oracle DBA Want-Ad [google.com]
College job listings were the worst (Score:5, Funny)
One year, a major computer hardware company came to campus looking ONLY for Ph.D students willing to do 3 month intern positions at minimum wage. Uh.... Turns out their HR department was a bit overzealous.
Another firm was an IT contracting company. They came to campus looking for new grads with a bachelors in computer science or engineering, and 5 years IT experience... After the representative told the several people that they were wasting his time because they didn't have enough experience, he was escorted off campus and told never to return.
I also recall a major financial institution wanted to hire CS students with 3 years of programming experience for the summer to - and I'm not making this up - *STAND INSIDE THE WALLS TO MAKE SURE THE NETWORK CABLES DIDN"T COME LOOSE OR BREAK*. The job was located in New York City, paid $5/hr, no assisted living, and you were *required* to live within 10 miles of the office. Oh yes, and you were also required to wear a suit at all times (though I have no idea how you were supposed to keep it clean standing inside crawlspaces all day long...)
This company, too, was kicked off campus and told never to return.
Re:College job listings were the worst (Score:5, Funny)
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Bad Job Description (Score:3, Insightful)
They really should have made this clearer in the description though
Re:Bad Job Description (Score:3, Informative)
I've seen Kelly's people doing the exact same job for 3 or 4 years.
Kelly's are fun people to work for, when they fire you they don't have the balls to talk to you at the office, they call you at home and tell you not to come in. They mail you your stuff.
One I ran into a few years ago... (Score:3, Funny)
was a tech support job for the forest service. The duties were typical hardware/software support, and it had the usual list of of skills - Windows, Novell, Office, virus removal, hardware troubleshooting and repair, ect. Until you got to the last one, which was something like "knowledge and experience with tree husbandry"
Yes, I know it was the forest service, but the duties didn't mention anything tree-related, and one would imagine you could fix the computer of someone in the forest service without forestry skills. I kind of wondered if they had someone in mind they wanted to promote who had worked there, and that was their way of eliminating outsiders.
Focus on the Family (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Focus on the Family (Score:3, Insightful)
A lot of times, these Christian organizations are living on donations, or the coffers of a tightwad church. It's the story in many denominations, with exception of the blind-leading-blind (but pay us with $$) evangelicals.
Most positions in Christian (or any religion, I imagine) organizations are not going to be high paying or glamorous. There are people out there that would accept the position based on the fact that they are a Christian organization alone, such is the way faith is. I'm not too sure how
Sometimes it's not the public postings.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Okay, what are they like?
...yeah, how many people for these 100-ish boxes?
"Great company, very busy, lots of growth."
Do tell. What kind of shop do they have?
"75 to 100 servers."
So they're not quite sure how big they are. You've been talking to a clueless manager, then.
(Pause) "Yeah, he wants you bad."
How bad? How many people are supporting these...
"uh, closer to 100 servers"
"3 on staff right now."
So they either had a cost-cutting purge or the previously overworked staffers walked before they keeled over.
"So then, do you want to talk to them?"
So sometimes it's the postings you *don't* see that you should worry about.
Hey, I'm hiring a lot (Score:3, Informative)
Now, for those of you who clicked before reading on, the only drawback is that I have no money, so there is no pay
here it is (Score:4, Funny)
We're I-bought-cheesy-puffs-on-the-interweb.com, a startup Fortune 23,500,000 company with a fantastic new idea! We're going to sell home-delivered cheese puffs over the interweb!
Project Requirements
We'd need the sun, the moon, and the stars, as well as your first born child and a hand job. All source code must be provided, and you must assign all copyrights to us. We need this project completed within the next three hours. Contractor will be required to provide lifetime support for code base, even if we let the neighbor kid muck about in the source code (Janice says that he's a web developer, so he must be qualified. Besides, he's in the 10th grade now, we're sure he knows what he's doing).
Contractor Requirements
Compensation
We offer a generous compensation package that includes free soda (Wednesdays only) and all the pretzels you can eat! Yay!
We'll also give you a title! Yes, you'll be the Supervisory Director of Internet Architectural Engineering (Junior)! That's the kind if title that you can almost pay a mortgage with! Almost.
Unfortunately, we can't offer compensation in the form of pay or benefits right now. When the interweb cheese puffs delivery service takes off, though, we'll pay you really, really well. Promise!
Not bad... (Score:3, Insightful)
IF WE DON'T UNIONIZE INFO-TECH, NONE OF US WILL BE LEFT TO SPEAK FOR.
UNIONIZE NOW!
AOL skills (Score:4, Funny)