IP Over 1394/Firewire? 52
Chanc_Gorkon asks: "Just like to ask the Slashdot community if anyone has a set of step-by-step instructions for connecting two computers via IP over Firewire. Mac OS X Panther supports IP over Firewire, as does Windows XP. I would like to hook my PowerBook to a Windows XP machine, and be able to access the Internet and share files over the link. I am shooting for near full functionality, but the closest I came in my initial trials was being able to set static IP's per Firewire port, and do a FTP between the machines. If I can get this working, I figure this will be a good way of getting my PowerBook on the office network, without having to have a drop put in."
ICS (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.homenethelp.com/ics/index.asp can help you [homenethelp.com]
OP: A better way. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Go to Best Buy, or Circuit City, or Frys and buy a small Linksys 4 port 10/100 switch for about $40. Buy an extra Ethernet cable or two. Get a crossover Ethernet cable just in case, save yourself a trip in you need it - buy a red one so you don't have t
Re:OP: A better way. (Score:2)
Re:OP: A better way. (Score:2)
Adding a gigabit NIC to the Wintel box would be trivial, but I am not sure about availability of gigabit networking on your specific instance of Mac hardware - but if it works you can get a crossover cable to run between the two cards (no intermediate hub/switch necessary) and just hardcode the ip addresses for those cards. It becomes your own little private sub-net, and I believe that once you have done that it is also trivial to share the Wintel box's connection to the outside world.
Re:OP: A better way. (Score:2)
It's no different to any other interface. (Score:2, Informative)
It's all just basic troubleshooting from the point you're at.
Slashdot != Windows Tech Support (Score:1, Funny)
my experience (Score:3, Informative)
Re:my experience (Score:2, Informative)
It's actually pretty fast. 20mb/sec or more. Getting speeds that slow is probably atypical.
Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2, Informative)
Use the right tool for the job. Firewire probably can be coersed into working, but it was not designed as a netwroking tool. Thus it will definately will be a lot bigger pain in the butt than simply using standard network tools.
I speak for e experience of trying to get an SLIP connection going between my desktop and my HP 200LX back in the day. I also wasted time with an old notebook and la
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
The grandparent is correct. If you can't put in a new drop, you should get a small hub or switch.
If transfer speed is an issue, a new gigabit ethernet board can be had for under $20.
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:1)
As for the grandparent being correct, I beg to differ...why should the poster go out and buy a small hub or switch when he already has the FireWire cable needed to get the job done in a perfectly acceptable manner? Why would it be "correct" to buy a small hub or switch?
Once again, about the gigabit ethernet board, why go buy more hardware you alread
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
For example, you're dependent upon another computer, which is far more likely to crash than a simple hub or switch, you have to use NAT to communicate with other systems on the LAN, and it's more difficult to get set up, and
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:1)
2) If he's doing this at work, he's more than likely going to be dependent on a computer that will be on the same desk as his laptop. If it crashes, he can restart it because he will be sitting right there.
3) Enabling NAT is by no means difficult. You simply check a box or click a button and it's turned on. Wow that was hard. 4) Setting up the FireWire
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
2) That does not make it less frustrating if/when the system crashes. Furthermore, were the poster to use a hub/switch, they would still have one system with network access if the other crashes, instead of being cut off until the host system fscks/scandisks.
3) NAT is a huge disadvantage if you want to use a LAN, not an advan
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
I set up a FW bridge between two of my boxes in less than 5 minutes of pecking around in the systems control panels. It's Windows and Macs, for pete's sake. This is ok, next, next, finish type stuff.
I'd suggest going with the parent's suggestion. You aren't going to like it once you get it set up. Sure, save money now but it'll cost you later in electricity
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2, Informative)
Some companies may just have some totally backwards policies on assigning IP addresess. For example, where I work you need to get a FQDN before you are able to get an IP from DHCP, or if you are unlucky enough to be in 90% of the complex, you have to have a statically assigned IP address. You have to go through and call the help desk to get the IP or FQDN before you can hook up the device. In a case like this, if you don't want to be hassled about the IP, you
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
Because if it does not NAT could be quite a hassle to setup.
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
He certainly is living in the stone age.
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:2)
This is not insightful. Some of us need that 400/800mbits of bandwidth.
Re:Buy a $25 hub/switch (Score:4, Funny)
You're right, it's informative.
(it must be true! It was modded that way!
What version of OS X? (Score:4, Informative)
Also just saw this nice tutorial [macdevcenter.com] about this. Have a look and make sure you have done all the required steps. Also have a look though the comments.
real easy (Score:1, Redundant)
done.
Why Drop? (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Why Drop? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why Drop? (Score:1)
Firewire can move data at 200 Mbps in each direction (200 Mbps Full Duplex).
Speed (Score:2)
Re:Why Drop? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why Drop? (Score:1)
Re:Why Drop? (Score:2)
Try this (Score:3, Informative)
If nothing else works, try joining the Apple Developer connection. The link can be found here [apple.com]
Why Firewire? Some suggestions. (Score:5, Informative)
"Why are you using Firewire for networking? Buy a hub!"
A couple of points.
1. A lot of us have Firewire cables lying around but not hubs. Therefore, Firewire: $0. Switch: $25.
2. Firewire has the potential to be really fast. I know some of the third-party Firewire networking solutions for Mac used to sell well simply because they were 4x the speed of Ethernet -- which makes a big difference if you're transferring, say, massive TIFF proofs. (I personally have not gotten this working, see below.)
However:
1. It's a Mac. If you've got a free Ethernet port on another machine, you don't need a hub/switch. Macs detect crossover-vs.-normal UTP cables automatically.
2. Last I checked, the Firewire IP implementation in Panther wasn't terribly standard -- or, at least, I couldn't get any of my Linux or BSD boxes to recognize it. Might work with XP; should work with another Mac.
Re:Why Firewire? Some suggestions. (Score:2)
Point to point, yes. Using one of the machines as a router to the internet, the internet won't get any faster than that 10bT/100bT drop. Unless the original poster is dealing with enormous files (say video) the hassle involved in getting this to work is worth way more than the $25 or so to buy a blinkin switch.
You've got it working! (Score:2, Informative)
You've got IP over Firewire, you just need routing/proxying services. This seems to have mislead some people's responses.
Easy to do... (Score:5, Informative)
The basics (under Panther, similar under Jaguar):
- XP *loves* to bridge all of your networking connections, and it treats firewire as one. Don't let it. Delete the bridging node if it's in your Net Connections panel.
- Use the Internet Connection Sharing wizard, and set it to share your ethernet over the 1394 connection (firewire in the civilized world).
- On the Mac, go to your network control panel (prefpane, whatever), Show --> Network Port Configurations
- Add a New --> Built-in Firewire connection
- Set it up for DHCP and you should be good to go. You might also disable your built in ethernet, airport and dialup ports for this configuration if you want an easier time debugging the connection.
The connection works great between my Shuttle box and my Powerbooks. Close to gigabit speeds for local filesharing, speeds you'd expect for 'Net sharing.
Once the price of gigabit hubs comes down, however, I'll probably never use this connection type again. If my rendering farm gets big enough to require that type of constant bandwidth, I'll probably go gigE or fiber.
Use FireWire disk mode (Score:5, Informative)
First, make sure that both computers are linked by firewire, then, reboot the powerbook, holding down 'T' as it is starting up. It should give you the firewire logo on the screen, meaning that it is in FW disk mode. Then, simply use the powerbook as a firewire hard disk (SBP2).
Re:Use FireWire disk mode (Score:2, Informative)
A Mac in target disk mode is still an Apple, and its HD is still in HFS+, not something you can access from a WinXP box.
Target mode under Linux? (Score:2)
No, really... how? This would be a *huge* benefit to us!
Re:Target mode under Linux? (Score:1)
Very good idea ! See my journal (Score:3, Informative)
Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
-molo
Dear Slashdot (Score:3, Funny)
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