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Improving Terrible Handwriting? 174

green pizza asks: "My handwriting is horrible, an irregular mix of sloppy print and cursive. I know this, and my coworkers have learned to live with it, but I didn't realize just how bad my chickenscratch was until I tried using a tablet PC. Unlike a Palm which forced me to learn its input method, a tablet PC (and other humans) expect me to write a certain way. Aside from a handwriting class for professional adults on the other side of the country, I have only been able to find lessons and materials for the young, illiterate, or mentally challenged. Have any other geeks found a structured way to improve their handwriting?"
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  • Use a printer! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    LPR(NT "Frist Post!"
    • by No One's Zero ( 714010 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:38PM (#8528635)
      Seriously,

      I had this same problem and thses two things helped me more than anything else.

      First try writing with a couple of differant pen types. Most people will find that they print much better with a certain type of pen; felt tip, ball point, microball etc. Find one you like. Also like swords, weight and balance are important. The same goes for stylii.

      Then go get yourself a calligraphy book and a proper caligraphy pen. (the type with the metal tip) To use such a pen you have to always pull the tip across the paper down, or sidewise, but not up. This will teach you to slow down, and plan each pen stroke (or you will ruin a bunch of tips).

      It is more or less impossible to write properly in cursive using a proper caligraphy pen because of the fact that you cant draw strokes "upwards." But i've noticed that most handwriting rec software seems to take print better anyway.

      Also if the software is halfway decent and learns, the fact that you draw each letter the same way each time should help the rec quite alot.

      NOZ

      • Forgot to add you don't feel like such a goober practicing "Calligraphy" and women love a nicely handwritten letter more than diamonds i think.
      • Sorry to give bad news, but this will help only partially: I've been practicing calligraphy since I was 10, and now (mid-20) I can write perfectly readable gothic characters (well, if you're used to read it) celtic characters (as in Book of Kells) and even calligraphic cursive (it is slighty different from what you would use with a ballpoint pen, but there is one and it is more or less what you would find on most handwritten stuff of the last few centuries), but when it comes to writing quickly with a "mode

  • by scotti ( 222754 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:03PM (#8527472)
    I use a keyboard. :)
    • Re:Use a keyboard (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Zugok ( 17194 )
      see, that's part of the problem. Before my excuse for poor handwriting wasm because of school braks. Six weeks up to three months rarely writing anything for an extended period of time. Nowadays it's the use of key boards and I've lost touch with how to write neatly. Of course this is me and not representative of everyone. I print, it's okay for a bit then it melds into cursive and a messy cursive at that. I start with cursive and then it just goes down hill from there. However I find soemthings do he
  • by ambient ( 8381 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:05PM (#8527480)
    ...but, I'm in the same boat. My handwriting is really bad -- I often end up replacing whole sections of words with unitelligible scrawls.

    My Advice: Switch professions and become a doctor.
    • The reason doctors' handwritting is hard to read is because a lot of it is in latin.

      I used to use a Dauphin DTR1 [popcorn.cx]
      with windows for pen on windows 3.1 . Amazingly enough it could
      read my handwriting better than I could. I haven't written in cursive
      for about 30 years and my printing is pretty awfull.
  • Take up drafting. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I can still write in chicken scratches that are unitelligible. It's pretty bad when you can come back to your own handwriting and have trouble deciphering it. But when I want to, I can print neatly and quickly, it just takes more focus. Thanks to drafting.

    It's funny too, because you can see the effect in other people's handwriting. Neat cursive. Well that I just don't do.
    • I agree to a certain extent. My handwriting was marginal at best until I took a class called "Mechanical Drawing" in high school. Our first lesson was to learn how to print letters and numbers in a very specific block-letter format. One thing that helped was that the teacher was very picky when it came to grading our assignments. In order to get a good grade, your lettering had to be perfect. After some practice and self-discipline, I was able to get the hang of it.

      The downside to writing using this b
  • by WhatAmIDoingHere ( 742870 ) <sexwithanimals@gmail.com> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:05PM (#8527482) Homepage
    I had terrible handwriting (Everybody said I should have been a doctor). I figured on trying to better my handwriting and found that writing through the alphabet over and over for a few weeks. After that, I did repetitive practice writing. Writing pages from books or whatever until you notice any improvement. It sure worked for me, but ymmv.
    • I agree, just Practice.

      I was in the same boat - just one day I realized how my Whiteboard writing at work looked like the scrawlings of a retarded chicken. So I resolved to change.

      I picked up a notebook (as in paper, not laptop computer) and a nice pen, and just started writing down spoken sentences as I watched TV/Movies.

      First you need to accept the fact that you're going to have to work to get it up to snuff. Even if it takes you a couple minutes for one single sentence - TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGH
    • I have the same problem as the original poster, and I don't think practice will do much. 12 years of practice through primary and secondary education did nothing for me. This was way before PCs, for twelve years I was writing reams of papers in longhand. My handwriting did evolve, but it was never quite intelligible, and became much worse in my late teens, exactly at the time I was writing long essays, tests, exam papers and what-not. Although it's certainly become even worse since I started using the compu
  • by Pyromage ( 19360 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:06PM (#8527491) Homepage
    What's so unreadable about that? That trailing off is like tab-completion!

    Yeah, no one likes my scrawl either ;)
  • The Easy Answer (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Melvin Daniels ( 757374 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:08PM (#8527503) Journal
    Slow down. That's all. Just slow down and make your letters look extremely clear. Take great pride in your handwriting, and learn to appreciate it (once you develop it more).

    That's how I improved mine.
    • Re:The Easy Answer (Score:3, Informative)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 )
      Yea while my handwriting is naturally bad. If I really slow down and put a lot of time in my writing the difference is like night and day. Normally I will have to fight my natural tendency to writing the most optimized way. Like making an E with 2 strokes of the pen which makes it look kinda like a euro symbol but a little more edgy. every time there are sharp angles in the letters you need to pick up you pencil and do an other stroke. And most of the time you need to go Top Down for all the strokes, Left t
    • Slow down. That's all.

      Yep! That's basically what it took for me.

      It also helps to pay attention to your breathing. My handwriting is worst in stressful situations. E.g., in front of a bunch of people at a whiteboard. When I notice my writing getting bad, I focus on taking slow, relaxed breaths and making smooth, even letters. It works!
  • by Photar ( 5491 ) <photar AT photar DOT net> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:10PM (#8527519) Homepage
    Since you haven't elaborated more on your writing problem I'll assume that you don't know the correct way to write ANY character.

    First I'd find one of those alphabet posters that they hang up in 1st grade class rooms that have the little arrows that point in the direction you're supposed to draw each stroke.

    Then I'd have lock myself in a room with some pens a ream of paper.
  • by RevAaron ( 125240 ) <revaaron AT hotmail DOT com> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:10PM (#8527527) Homepage
    My first PDA was a Newton OS 1.3 Original MessagePad that my girlfriend got me. Determined to use and love it, I used it for taking notes in class and programming [1], as well as playing some games.

    And of course, I had to use the handwriting recognition.

    Back then, HWR wasn't great. This is the whole "eat up martha" era- and indeed, that Newt was named "Martha." The only way to get decent (though still slow) HWR was for me to start printing cleanly. It improved my penmanship quite a bit.

    But then I lost it. Not a big deal, it only cost $50, picked up on eBay in '99. Then, I got a Newton MessagePad 2100- the real deal. A new HWR scheme, a much faster CPU and an overall much nicer unit. The HWR was a thousand times better, an still the best of anything I've ever used (and I've used it all). Alas, my better handwriting didn't last that long- after using the Newton 2100 for a couple years, my handwriting had devolved back to messy crap. But that wasn't a big deal, as the Newton had no problem interpreting it with 99%+ accuracy, allowing me to write a good 40-50 WPM in my crap-tastic handwriting.

    What the hell is my point? Get an old, crappy Newton. You can get them cheap. Try to use its HWR. Or, get a new, expensive Palm OS 5 device and install Decuma. I am using that these days... Nowhere near as nice as Newton HWR or even CalliGrapher/Transcriver on pocketPC/WinCE. My handwriting is slowly improving, being stuck with this inferior, but still kind of nice, input method. Only printing, and very clean printing at that.

    [1] That was one of the biggest reasons I decided on the Newton... It was completely programmable on the device itself, requiring no intervention, compilation or otherwise a toolchain on the desktop- unlike C++ on WinCE or C on PalmOS. You could write first-class NewtonScript apps on the Newton itself, even on one as gimpy as the OMP.
  • by perfectlynormalbeast ( 221743 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:11PM (#8527534)
    Do you not know what the letters are supposed to look like?
  • by avalys ( 221114 ) * on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:12PM (#8527536)
    Just write a lot more, and write stuff where you can pay more attention to the form of your letters than actual content. Don't mess around with cursive, just print and blend your letters as appropriate.

    Spend half an hour a day (before you go to bed is good - it'll help you fall asleep, if you have trouble with that) transcribing the dictionary or something. I noticed an improvement in my writing after about two weeks.
    • Don't mess around with cursive, just print and blend your letters as appropriate.

      That's the crux of it I think. I gave up on pure cursive a *long* time ago because even I couldn't read it. Instead I've developed a hybrid style that provides reasonable legibility of print with the speed of cursive. So while I'd say I print, I do flow together certain letters in the cursive style where it comes naturally - letters with tails on the right like "a" and "d" and so on. I also inconsistently use a few cursi

      • by sydb ( 176695 )
        I can't print block capitals for more than a sentence or so without getting a quite intense pain in my wrist.

        I'm not alone! You know exactly how I feel!

        My writing has, historically, been abysmal. I dropped out of a remedial handwriting class at high school! They put this rubber prism-shaped thing on a pencil... very uncomfortable!

        However, over the years I have more and more relaxed while writing and I write joined-up (as we call 'cursive' in the UK) all the time - and other people can read it! Sometimes
  • buy a book (Score:4, Funny)

    by itwerx ( 165526 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:13PM (#8527545) Homepage
    Go to your favorite new or used bookstore and buy one of those first-grade hand-writing primers and practice!
    (I am so tempted to say "Duh!" :)
    • Sometimes I feel like getting some of that old school paper with the little red and blue lines to keep your letters inside of and practicing. I wonder if typing so much is what plagues our generations handwritting skills, lol. I do the same thing as the poster of the story, some letters are print, I use some capitals and some lwer case, whichever version of a letter I find most convinient. I use a weird combo of cursive blurbs and upper case print.
  • by drivers ( 45076 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:14PM (#8527553)
    The book "The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards has a chapter on handwriting, even though it is a book about drawing. BTW, I recommend the rest of the book to anyone as well. (especially if you think you "can't draw.")
    • I'll second that, I have the book sitting beside me, and not only will your ability to draw surprise yourself, the chapter on handwriting will fix, or at least improve legibility. I originally bought the book to learn how to draw. The handwriting is a nice bonus however.
  • Yup... (Score:4, Informative)

    by cybermace5 ( 446439 ) <g.ryan@macetech.com> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:21PM (#8527598) Homepage Journal
    My handwriting sucks too. I really do intend to improve it though...and I have been.

    You can't do it by willing yourself to write better. You've transferred your letter-forming skills into your cerebellum already...you aren't even a conscious part of the letter-forming process anymore. You had to go back to the basics: back to penmanship. There is no way around this other than to practice and unlearn your poor penmanship.

    Roll back the clock to first grade. Now, here's some good material:
    D'Nealian Practice Pages [geocities.com]

    Remember to scroll down that page to the manuscript pages with guides. Print those out and go to town. Fill up a set of those pages every day, and your handwriting WILL improve.
    • The parent post is 100% correct, it's that simple. And for those interested it's got nothing to do with the left or right side of the brain. The cerebellum is to the back and base of the brain and controls movement in learned skills. By the way the cerebellum doesn't know if your performing an act for real or not, so imagining yourself drawing letters in great detail will also help improve handwriting.
  • Try switching pens. I find my handwriting is much better when I use felt-tip or liquid ink ball-points on a soft surface (put some paper behind what you're writing on). That may not help you on a tablet PC, but it may help with your co-workers, at least. =)
    • I use felt-tip or liquid ink ball-points on a soft surface (put some paper behind what you're writing on). That may not help you on a tablet PC... I disagree - if you used a felt-tip pen on a tablet PC, your co-workers will totally forget about your sloppy handwriting: they'll be much more interested in canning your ass for ruining the third tablet PC in a week by covering it in Sharpie.
  • by Gadzinka ( 256729 ) <rrw@hell.pl> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @09:31PM (#8527694) Journal
    I find this whole idea stupid: learn to write better, so the computer can understand my handwriting. In my book, when computer cannot understand my writing, it's something wrong with the computer (or the software in this case), not with me.

    That's the main reason I use my Palm less and less these days. Keyboard works ok for me and if some computer doesn't let me use this input method it is inherently broken, period.

    Robert
  • by vasqzr ( 619165 )

    Here's some ideas, no one thing is sure to help.

    Try different pens. Too skinny, too thick, different tips, metal, plastic...

    There are hundreds of different pens at OfficeMax/Staples. Some of them are pricey though. Raid the supply closet at work, it's cheaper. I like the gels and roller balls. Spring-loaded ball-points give me the worst results. Pilot G2, Sarasa, and Uniball are my choices.

    SLOW DOWN. Write slowly. It helps a ton.

    Write bigger. It's a little easier to make out writing if you don't need a
    • In college I took a drafting class,old fashioned method (month long course). Besides learning to draw everything in isometric views, I learned to print in all caps. It helped a lot, and now whenever I need to print neatly, it do some drafting!
    • SLOW DOWN. Write slowly. It helps a ton.

      And ease up on the grip. I noticed I usually hold the pen entirely too stiff. So much so that my fingers cramp after 15 minutes of writing.

      Easing up, slowing down, and thinking about the letter and it's oritnetation with it's neighbors have made my chicken scratch legible.
  • Take a introductory drawing class at your local community college. You'll be amazed at what you can do even if you don't consider yourself an artist. I know I was. You already have the motor skills and a drawing class will help you with your perceptive skills. Believe me, this will help your handwriting quite a bit. Also, being able to draw is a skill that you'll appreciate for the rest of your life.
  • Buy yourself a set of pens and a how-to book on Caligraphy. It's very slow and tedious, but it will teach you the patience necessary to write legibly.
  • Back in kindergarten we all learned to print neatly.

    Then, a few grades later, they taught us to write in cursive, and our handwriting became horrible.

    After I got out of middle school and they rightly stopped caring if I wrote print or cursive, I tried to switch back to print but my handwriting was already damaged beyond recognition.

    If they just stuck with print, everything would be fine.

    Tim
    • Same with me. I started with printing letters, then we had to learn the cursive handwriting, and a few years later my handwriting had become horrible.

      I then tried to change it to a semi-printing style which at least was legible. What finally cleaned my handwriting up was the drafting course in high school and the requirements that we should use "technical font" in the College of Engineering, and that really has served me well since then.

      Occasionally in meetings in some non-technical context, I have rece

  • Apart from the occasional note-to-self and the odd form (which is typically more illogical than my handwriting is bad), who hand writes stuff so much anymore that it matters? I don't even use cursive, I only print in small caps.
  • by nelsonal ( 549144 )
    I know very few geeks with good handwriting, my own hypothesis is that the part of the brain that attracts people to math and science is very different from the part that controls small motor skills. I've found that printing is an easy, if a bit slow, way to improve the readability of your handwriting. The second suggestion would be to practice, handwriting is a skill like any other, slow way down and practice the motions required to make all the letters, you might take a Japanese (writing focused class)
  • Helpfull book: Write Now: A Complete Self Teaching Program for Better Handwriting [amazon.com]
    ISBN: 0876780893

    --
    +1 for Low user ID and SCO love (hahahah hehehhe hahaha)
  • just adapt... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 1isp_hax0r ( 725178 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:01PM (#8528328)
    My handwriting is pretty horrible too. Since I finished university recently and started working, my handwriting has gone progressively worse. But I don't have to worry about it because the reasons my handwriting has got so bad, namely the use of technology, is also helping me to avoid writing! Why write? Apart from some rare instances, there is hardly ever a need to use a pen or a pencil. At least this is true for me.

    The tablet has the writing interface for those paper dependent people who have a tough time dealing with a keyboard. It doesn't sound like something that is right for you. (I assume that your handwriting is bad because of the overuse of keyboards.)

    Basically what I want to say is that maybe the reason us geeks have such bad handwriting is because the technology has shown us new and better methods of writing. It can be seen as evolution towards a better form of written communication (and this one has a backspace key!). So instead of worrying about something that you are automatically rejecting (the handwriting), embrace the typing and work on improving upon the new methods of written communication.
  • http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide- display/-/1INDR22KRIY90/ref=cm_bg_dp_l_1/104-47597 54-7827957
  • Strange Hand Choices (Score:4, Interesting)

    by watashiwananashidesu ( 563740 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:19PM (#8528497) Journal
    I don't know if this works for people of other hand-usages, but I know what I did to improve my handwriting...

    For the record, I'm a left-handed-to-ambidextrous individual, and ever since I was a child I've had trouble with handwriting--I'm infamous at my high school for it. I typically write left handed and do anything athletic right handed--the opposite of what you'd expect, as my left arm is much stronger. And I've discovered something fun...

    Whenever I'm writing slowly, as long as I'm writing in big text, my right-handed handwriting is better than my left.

    I can't write very fast right-handed--I'm more of a lefty than a righty, though I am technically ambidextrous. And if I try to write quickly with my right, it's more illegible than my left. But aside from some awkward numbers, my right is neater for slowly-written stuff.

    And practice does make perfect. At first my right-handed handwriting looked like that of a very neat child (and I didn't start practicing with the right until about two years ago), but now, as long as I go slowly, it looks almost like my peers'.

    So, you might want to try the old switcheroo. Just remember--most objects in our culture are right-handed, so you'll probably have better luck with this if you're a lefty than a righty.
    • Information #1:
      Right handers don't push the pencil like left-handers do. Right handers pull the pencil to the right as they draw, gently guiding the dragging. Left-handers actually push the pencil forward brute force. Thus, the results are completely different, and efforts (like the strokes) that might be awesomely convenient for a righty end up always being non-neutral, thus hurting the left-handers at the same time.
      #2:
      Hey, tell me this watashi.. Do you 'hook' when you write left-handed? Is your wrist
  • by sudog ( 101964 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:22PM (#8528537) Homepage
    ...and learn to slow your handwriting down.

    Calligraphy can be tremendously rewarding. Usually simple letters of the alphabet aren't considered works of art, but write them in calligraphy and suddenly everyone wants to hang the quips and quotes you scribble, all over their homes!

    This will teach you the practice and patience and dexterity you need to improve your normal handwriting also.

    It's not hard, it just takes endless practice.

    And, even though some of those books are for children, they do have the outlined strokes you need to cleanly (and slowly) learn the forms.
  • I like to think that I am an intelligent person. My handwriting sucks ass though. If it is an important document I am writing, my trick is to go VERY SLOWLY, don't rush through it, it is not a sprint. Once you go "slow" for a while, it will become your new normal. If it is a draft of something, my brain thinks faster than I can type, so I write it up in my chicken scratch, basically my own form of shorthand. I then either type it up or rewrite it, making improvements along the way. Try different pens. If I
  • I have terminally bad handwriting. It gets worse and worse the more I use a computer and neglect writing.

    For a while I put some effort into fixing my handwriting by simply filling page after page in a spiral notebook with hundreds handwritten letters (i.e.: one page of 'a' one page of 'b' etc). It also allowed me to tweak my style a little, so I could form certain letters in a neat way. This worked for a while, but I didn't keep up with it, and my handwriting degraded with time.

    I imagine this system co
  • by miyako ( 632510 ) <miyako AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:54PM (#8528743) Homepage Journal
    I used to have the same problem. I failed tests and even lost a job because my handwriting was completely unreadable. What I finally realized was that my handwriting improved drastically (to the point where people would actually compliment me on my penmenship) if I just slowed down and paid attention to the actual letters I was writing. I know that this sounds like obvious advice, but it is something that you really have to be mindful of because most people have a tendancy to just start writing.
    Another thing that may help is to try different grips on the pencil. As children we have it drilled into our heads that you HAVE to hold the pencil gripped between your thumb and index finger only, I've found that for me at least my writing and drawing as well is orders of magnintude better when the pencil or pen is gripped between my thumb and my index and middle fingers.
    • Yes SLOW DOWN!!!

      I used to have terrible handwriting. At one point I decided to fix that, and started printing everything, very slowly. Now I am complimented on my neat penmanship.

      I found I need to focus on two things, the first is to slow down enough that I do write well. Second, get all the extra help for pen control you can. There are environmental factors that make handwriting bad, eliminate those.

      What I found to work for me is:

      • SLOW DOWN
      • Print everything, when that is working well, move to cursi
      • I was working at a bike shop in college when my boss / mechanic came to me complaining that basically everything that I had written was illegible. It was totally useless, as neither of us could read my writing.

        I slowed down significantly for a time being, focusing on writing letters as if they were going to be OCRd.

        I'd avoid the Bic, just because I've had terrible luck with that line of pens. The glassy plastic Pentecs give a good line and a solid plastic grip. A traditional rollerball on "fine" works
      • When starting, only use a Bic Roundstick pen. These are the classic cheap ball point pen,

        I have read recommendations against ball point pens. The argument is that they tend to glide too smoothly over the paper to give you adequate feedback. Pencils and fountain pens are better in that respect: you are really in direct contact with the paper without a ball bearing in between. A good fountain pen will not blot ink when you use something better than newspaper to write on.

        Before drawing letters, first pract

    • There are actually a few simple little tools you can use to keep you fingers in the appropriate positions. It's basically a small piece of hard rubber that slips on the end of the pen or pencil and is slid up to the normal finger positions. It has flat or indented sides in the correct positions for your fingers. It's like an ergonomic aide of sorts. My mother is a elementary teacher and has used these for years. Hell I had one in my desk at work. :-) Not that my penmanship is any good. In all honesty
  • Get a Journal (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Goyuix ( 698012 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @12:21AM (#8528883) Homepage
    I'd like to echo many of the things said before with a couple tweaks of my own:

    Pens: I find that I usually write more messy with a pen than a pencil for some silly reason, so maybe you could see how your mileage varies there. Other than that, be sure to find a pen(cil) that fits your style, be it thick or thin. A comfortable utensil will help you write more legibly as well.

    I would recommend getting a journal to write in. That way you are able to spend at least a few minutes every night sorting out your thoughts, and there is obviously little pressure to hurry through it. Take time to write carefully and make your letters as consistent as possible and I think you will be surprised at the results.

    Really the only way to improve is like most tasks: You are just going to have to practice. Maybe a journal won't work for you and you need to find something else, but consistent practice is what is going to make the difference at the end of the day.
  • A lot of the posts here say, "just pay more attention to your penmanship;" if it were that easy he probably would have done it already. What I did to improve my handwriting is decide, one day, that my handwriting sucked and that I should do something about it. What I did was develop a "font" for myself. I looked at the elements of my handwriting at the time that I liked, made them consistent throughout the lettering, and figured out what every letter should look like. As I would write I'd try to make every
    • A lot of the posts here say, "just pay more attention to your penmanship;" if it were that easy he probably would have done it already.

      Well, learning to pay attention is actually really hard. Don't think so? Try this basic meditation exercise:

      Sit comfortably. Close your eyes half way, so you can still see but aren't focused on anything. Now breathe, slowly and regularly, paying attention to breathing and counting your breaths. Think only of the breathing and the counting. Try to make it through ten brea

  • Write big... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bluGill ( 862 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @12:33AM (#8528957)

    Write big. And print. Get a good pen (not expensive, most expensive pens are worse than medium priced ones) Its the only thing I've found that helps. If at all possible use the computer.

    Back in 6th grade my teachers got frustrated enough at my handwriting to comment to my parents on how lazy I was (New school, the old school didn't care), my parents defended me, I really did write that bad. A few months latter the school put me through a bunch of tests, and concluded that I really could not write neater. When I did my best I wrote like a second grader (this at the peak of my writing ability, in 7th grade reports were written on the computer so I didn't handwrite as much), barely achieving the neatness the others got when they didn't care. I guess my point is there might be physical issues that may be involved, if so you might not be able to do much.

    • Re:Write big... (Score:2, Interesting)

      by N3Bruce ( 154308 )
      I too had to learn to type at an early age, my poor handwriting was a side effect of ADD. I remember I started to type reports in 7th or 8th grade on an old Underwood, 10 years before I got my first computer. One of my teachers made one last ditch attempt to get me to write a report longhand, but in the margins drew a face with watery eyes and said go back to typing. My typed lab writeups in High School and College (still pre-computer) would consistently score a letter grade higher than their handwritten co
      • As soon as I could, I started using typewriters/computers to complete reports and papers for school. I also think faster than I write, so I write it in chicken scratch first, inserting words with ^ or drawing an arrow to the margin pointing to entire sentences. I will then take those changes and make a second draft, somewhat neater. Then type up my third or fourth draft. Then I nitpick at that for a few days. I totally do that write big then oh shit running out of space and write really small. My handwriti
    • My son has some fine-motor-control problems. He *absolutely flunked* the Bender Figures test [healthatoz.com], and his handwriting has not improved at all in the 12-15 years since then. It has been a big problem for him. He's in college now, having taken a few years off, and the school accomodates him be requiring his instructors to allow him to type everything, etc. But some day he's going to exit into the Real World, and he won't get that kind of help.

      So as the parent of someone whose problem seems incorrectable, I'm

      • In the real world my handwriting is if anything worse. I don't have the fine motor abilities to do better. Fortunately in the real world everything is either typed, or done with a template (straight edge) so I can easily avoid the situations where I need to writing abilities. It helps that I choose a career in computer programing. Even when I work in something like carpentry, most of the work doesn't require anything nice, and if I can read my 10 minutes latter that is good enough. My career choices

  • My suggestions: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sakusha ( 441986 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @12:35AM (#8528967)
    Most important, find a good writing instrument. For general writing, I particularly suggest a good mechanical pencil, I like Japanese mechanical pencils like the Sanford LOGO II 0.5mm or the Y&C GRIP500. Also fountain pens are particularly nice, and bring back some of the pleasure of handwriting. I use the Lamy Joy, it has a flat nib for calligraphic handwriting, but the Lamy Safari is also good, it's better for quick writing because it has a round point (I recommend the medium, not the fine point). Also particularly useful for ink pen writing are those whiteout pens, they're sort of like highlighters but they lay down whiteout.

    Secondly, study a bit of calligraphy. You don't need to become a fine calligrapher, you just need to know a few methods to make your pen or pencil work for you, not against you. I recall seeing a news story about how a hospital set up a special handwriting class for doctors as a method to reduce errors on handwritten prescriptions. They were taught one simple italic script, it was easy to learn and is the simplest handwritten script. Grab a Speedball Book (available at any library or art store), it has all the basics of calligraphy. I don't know the exact title of the book, but every art store knows what a Speedball Book is.
  • Sounds corny, but it works, this is how my parents taught me to write as a kid. Get some examples, and practice writing lines of letters, then words. Do, say, a half an hour a day or so.

    Once you've gone through a couple of yelllow legal pads, you should be good to go.

  • Dysgraphia is similar to dyslexia, except it effects your writing rather than your reading. I think it often goes unnoticed throughout your schooling years.
    I dont' know how hard it is to overcome (I haven't needed to overcome it because I use a keyboard rather than a tablet+stylus).
  • Humanistic Cursive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jpkunst ( 612360 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @02:10AM (#8529461)

    I had the same problem with my handwriting being illegible, a couple of years ago. I felt that just trying to write slower wasn't the solution. I did something more radical: I switched handwriting styles. I found a great little book called Naar beter handschrift ("To better handwriting") from 1956. This book teaches you to write in a script that is closely based on 14th-century Italian writing, the so-called "Humanistic cursive". (See here [designingwithtype.com] for an example of original humanistic cursive.)

    Unlike our modern cursive handwriting, where you are supposed to write all the letter connected to each other (there is some kind of law "thou shalt not take the pen off the paper while writing", which is good for speed but not for legibility), you only connect letters when it makes sense in the humanistic cursive, and you are allowed to take the pen off the paper to draw better shapes for your letters. Example: the lower case r in modern cursive (at least the way that I learned it, in The Netherlands) is rather ugly, it's essentially an r written backwards (so that you won't have to take the pen off the paper while writing it). In the humanistic cursive, the lower case r looks much like a lower case printing letter r because you don't have to forcibly connect it to other letters. And it's much more readable that way.

    JP

  • Use a pencil (Score:2, Interesting)

    by aduzik ( 705453 )
    I used to have horribly crap-tastic handwriting until I started using mechanical pencils for everything. I had lots of fancy pens that forced me to either push really hard to make nice letters or caused scratchy angular characters. Using a fairly cheap mechanical pencil -- and what geek doesn't love mechanical pencils? -- I was forced to slow it down a bit, and it wrote very smoothly and cleanly.

    Also, concentrate on one thing at a time. For example, say, "today, I'm going to try to make all the letters

  • My handwriting didn't improve at all until I started to *draw* my writing; like it was some type of calligraphy.
    Now I teach, and I am in the position that I must make reasonably clear graphics and text daily on a *whiteboard*.

    I'm certain I have some variant of dyslexia, but by taking the time to see the words in a more *artistic* way, they appear more legible and I seem to either make fewer typos - or catch them as I write.
  • book suggestion (Score:5, Informative)

    by solferino ( 100959 ) <hazchemNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday March 11, 2004 @02:31AM (#8529551) Homepage

    I found Rosemary Sassoon's Teach yourself better handwriting very useful. It is specifically targeted at ppl who are trying to fix up their handwriting and not at child first time learners. Rosemary states in the book that very different approaches are required for these two different pedagogical needs.

    An interesting part of the book is where Rosemary addresses pen-grips and suggests a rather radical option of holding the pen between index and middle finger. I've switched over to this and enjoy it as I never felt comfortable with the oppositionary tension between index and thumb of the standard grip.

    Here [addall.com]is an addall link to the book (2nd edition) so you can compare prices.

    Here [amazon.com] is a link to the book (1st edition - the one I used) on Amazon so you can check the reader reviews

    Here [contentdirections.com] is a link to the publisher's page on the book (2nd edition)

    Here [intellectbooks.com] is a link to some information about the author Rosemary Sasson

    • I found Rosemary Sassoon's Teach yourself better handwriting very useful. It is specifically targeted at ppl who are trying to fix up their handwriting and not at child first time learners.

      Sweedack. I found the book to be pretty useful in giving me some insights into some of the things I was doing that were problematic. Doing lots of writing, writing larger, and writing more slowly also help a lot.

      Mod parent up!

  • by Phouk ( 118940 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @03:07AM (#8529684)

    What I did was getting myself a nice classic-sized fountain pen. These are much thicker than a standard office pen, which will have a subtle effect on how you hold it your hand.

    Even more important is a high-quality, relatively flexible nib. Not all fountain pen brands have a flexible nib, so you may need to shop around on that. One company known for these is Pelikan [pelikan.com] (no relation), so I bought a used M800 (see here, for example [joon.com]) from ebay, and I love it. For one, it's just beautiful. Then, it gives a totally different feeling whent writing. After a few days getting used to it, writing with a normal ballpoint pen felt like writing with a nail.

    When I was in school, teachers told us not to use ballpoint pens because they destroy your handwriting. I thought it was bogus back then, but, in retrospect, there seems to be some truth about it.

    • I'm a fan of the Lamy Safari [www.lamy.de] myself for day-to-day use. I have a beautiful Mont Blanc Meisterstueck [pens4less.com] that is too expensive for daily use. Both pens are noticably larger in circumference than your average disposable pen--don't be afraid of a thick pen. Men's hands (and I assume you're male, since you're on Slashdot) have less fine motor control than women's, so a thicker writing instrument and larger strokes, with practice, will almost certainly make for better handwriting. Practice of course is not secon
  • by paploo ( 238300 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @03:55AM (#8529854)
    Bad hand writing is often linked to a visual perception problem. (Indeed, many different learning disabilities (like dyslexia), coordination problems, reading speed problems, depth perception problems, and the like, are being regrouped as visual perception problems.)

    There are good visual perception therapists out there who can help with these problems. My brother had *really* bad handwriting, and poor coordination. He went to vision therapy for a year and *really* improved. I had the same thing happen with my reading speed problems (I went from a 4th grade reading speed to better than a 12th grade speed in a year thanks to Dr. Melvin B. Fox).

    Unfortunately, the therapy is around US$5000. There are some software programs (that if you see the informercials for look like a hoax) that do some of the stuff that you do in vision therapy. Much of the rest of it could be done by acquiring some relatively cheap equipment, however, you need someone who knows what "exercises" to do in order to do it.

    Anyway, it probably isn't a viable option for you (the original poster), but it is worth noting on /. as I'm sure there are a lot of geeks out there who have dyslexia or coordination issues. The therapy *really* does work, and is worth your time, especially if you are young (teen).
  • Finally! (Score:5, Funny)

    by InsaneCreator ( 209742 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @04:40AM (#8529988)
    the young, illiterate, or mentally challenged

    Someone actually created handwriting lessons for script kiddies?!? GR347!
  • by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportlandNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Thursday March 11, 2004 @04:50AM (#8530036) Homepage Journal
    I had to teach my children how to write.
    I know God is laughing at that one.
  • by klaasvakie ( 608359 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @05:48AM (#8530239)
    Gunnlaugur SE Briem, the person who developed the typeface for the London Times has a lesson on writing italic. Actually his whole webpage is very worth reading.
    Here it is [ismennt.is]
    • Actually, it's not just a lesson, but a complete transcription of an entire book, Ludovico Degli Arrighi's _La Operina_, known as ``the first writing book''. (I pointed out some (minor) typos a while back and list it on one of my book web pages). John Howard Benson did a wonderful translation of this text _and_ re-writing though which I highly recommmend if one can find it. Gunnlaugur's text is hard to beat for the price though.

      That said, getting a fountain pen, esp. one w/ a broad nib will be essential fo
  • Maths classes (Score:2, Interesting)

    by d99-sbr ( 568719 )
    Before I started university and had to take about two and a half million credits worth of maths and physics, my handwriting was pretty poor.

    Now, drawing illegible symbols just doesn't cut it when doing maths. If you can't tell an x from a y, or h from h-bar, you're bound to make horrible and very unneccessary mistakes. Not to mention all those Greek letters, that I had never seen before.

    So having to type all the letters in an orderly manner really taught me how to draw them quick yet legible. After a year
  • Change your pen (Score:2, Interesting)

    by NeonSpirit ( 530024 )
    In order to slow down my writing, and therfore improve it's legibility I have changed to a Fountain Pen. Obviously this will not make a diference with the stylus input on a PDA but one mediam often translates to another.

  • Well, you could take the advice of everyone who is telling you how to improve your penmanship, but that takes time and effort. My advice is this...let your writing devolve even more, to the point that it is COMPLETELY unreadable, then tell people that you are writing in something like Sanskrit, or ancient Phoenician, or Sumerian. They'll all think "WOW, this guy knows (insert ancient dead language here), what a genius!!" You'll instantly become the most popular guy around. Women will be throwing thems
  • by eap ( 91469 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @09:40AM (#8530888) Journal
    Your right hand is obviously working against you at this point. Fuck it, switch hands and start over with your left.
  • I'm not joking at all: get a calligraphy book for kids, and USE IT.

    Handwriting is a skill that these days (these centuries is more like it) is taught in elementary school to kids. You'll have a really hard time finding a book that teaches calligraphy aimed to adults for that very reason.

    So, get one of those kids books, and use it. Don't forget to practice, practice and practice. It's the way children learn... and ADULTS TOO.
  • As others have suggested, get a nice fountain pen -- you have to concentrate a bit more to use it, so there is less of a tendency to slop things down.

    Keep a handwritten journal -- it ain't as much fun as a blog, but it keeps you in practice.

    It didn't help my cursive, but taking a "manual" engineering drawing course certainly helped my printing quite a bit.
  • pharmacists can decipher even the weirdest scribbles written by doctors...

    ask them how they do it
  • by oneiros27 ( 46144 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @01:08PM (#8532982) Homepage
    Let me start by saying that I did well in all classes in grade school -- except for 'penmanship' and 'behavior'.

    I learned to write by a left handed person, but I'm right handed. So I wrap my whole hand around writing implements. They tried those little triangular things to force me to hold my pencil correctly when I was a kid, and I'd just wrap my whole hand around them.

    I'm 28, and I still can't hold a pencil correctly. After time, you can learn to write things legibly if you want to. I've given up on cursive. I print everything these days, and I use almost exclusively upper case [the exception is when I'm writing down passwords or file names that are mixed-case.]

    I've had three years of drafting, and having to learn to write ANSI compliant lettering, so I know letters should look, but I also have a grandfather who does handwriting analysis on the side, and so I know just how hard it is to change your handwriting. [I preface christmas cards to him with 'stop analyzing my writing']

    The only thing that I've found that makes me want to write neater is to force it on someone. I could read my class notes well enough -- but if the teacher couldn't read an essay question on a test in college... you're screwed.

    As it is now, I trade off between speed and neatness. If I know someone else is going to read something, I slow it down, and take my time. For most of my notes, I can get those words I can't read by context. Learning to write neatly for other tasks hasn't improved my normal everyday writing significantly, that I've noticed.

    Oh... and on the handwriting analysis side, there's a subjective line between 'hastily written' and 'smeary', which are indicators that might suggest 'quick mind that gets down to essentials' vs. 'deceptive'... one of these days, I'll digitize those notes.
  • Find a nun. Look for one with a ruler. Profit.
  • I recommend picking up a copy of Write Now: A Complete Self Teaching Program for Better Handwriting. It's available from Amazon (affiliate link) [amazon.com] or the publisher [pdx.edu].

    Write Now is a handwriting guide developed for adults. It doesn't have stupid little animals or other kid things, although it does have handwriting trivia all over the place. If your handwriting is so bad you've long since given up and your printing is almost as bad, this is the book for you. It starts off teaching an italic form of printing,
  • Once upon a time, graphic design professionals were expected to be able to do decent hand lettering which was suggestive of a variety of fonts, for doing roughs of ad layouts and such. A common method for teaching this was to have the students trace lettering samples, to (re)develop some physical memory of the strokes used in making the letter shapes. In this case you'd probably want to use some kind of semi-natural simple block lettering, like Comic Sans or Tekton or some other comics or drafting font.
  • Maybe a tablet PC never was for you...?
  • Take a technical drawing/drafting course, one with drafting tables straightedges and pencils, not AutoCAD. You might also learn some other interesting, useful stuff along the way.
  • Reading all these posts, I find two recurring themes:

    1. Slow Down.

    2. Practice.

    Other than that, there's no magic bullet that will fix your handwriting. I got some spam the other day promising me perfect handwriting if I take this little green pill, but I'm a bit skeptical of the claims.
  • Practice writing this, you will be able to focus on the letterforms instead of words and content:

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia des

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