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Multiple Jobs? How Would You Do It? 55

MikeDawg asks: "With so much uncertainty in the current job market for tech workers, and with varying financial situations; are you required (or want) to work a second job? I'm in one of those situations. I work as a bartender during the days and weekends, and I work as a mainframe operator during the night. Often browsing classified ads for positions, I see ads for jobs that pay a minimal amount more than my current tech job, and a possibility for less stability (see this Slashdot Article). Do you think it would be a better idea for someone to work two somewhat secure jobs, getting paid a little bit less, or going for a higher paying somewhat insecure job? I also run into varying conflicts such as scheduling if I would like to try and maintain two jobs, which is never fun (Don't even ask about how happy my girlfriend is). So my question to you out there, would you rather work 2 secure jobs, that pay a little bit less than what you could be making, or would you rather get paid a touch more, and work for 1 less secure employer?"
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  • Girlfriend? (Score:5, Funny)

    by avalys ( 221114 ) * on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:47PM (#8854222)
    Don't even ask about how happy my girlfriend is.

    Don't worry, it never crossed my mind.
  • time for a raise? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by adamshelley ( 441935 ) <adamshelley@shaw.ca> on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:51PM (#8854285) Homepage Journal
    If you are looking at jobs that pay marginally more than what you are currently making, maybe you can ask for a raise.

    Scope out how much you could get paid for your job and ask for it. You won't get a raise magically (employeers like to pay less) but if you present your case to them logically maybe, if you are worth it, they will give you what you need.
  • Neither. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:53PM (#8854310)
    I would rather work for myself, have absolutely no stability between jobs - but rake in piles of money.

    If you have the option: keep one stable job - but your 2nd should be something that is risky but with potential for serious personal wealth if you strike it rich.

    Start a small business doing something that you have always loved. Lean on the stable job for a while, letting it support you until your "dream" job takes over and is obviously the one thing that you should be doing (although it may take a while to figure out how to become profitable). Your job will be as stable as you make it - and vastly more rewarding than bartending or babysitting somebody else's computer.
    • Re:Neither. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by snooo53 ( 663796 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @08:19PM (#8855239) Journal
      The AC has a great point there. Do something a little risky but with a lot of potential wealth. Working steadily at a job counts for something, but really gaining experience at something you want to do will help you more in the long run.

      Do things that will help you on the path to obtaining your dream job. Even if you don't end up at your dream job, chances are you'll find something close, or at least have the experience to start your own business in that field.

    • Re:Neither. (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I am doing exactly that. On my full time job I am working for an insurance company as a web developer.

      For my part-time job I have started a company with another bloke developing Estate Agent Software. At the moment I am the one doing all the work, as he is a salesperson (and has all the knowledge and contacts), but as soon as the majority of the system is finished it is his turn to sell it.

      It is already producing some money but not much at all.

      Eventually we plan to go full time on this but only time will
  • by killyourblender ( 749172 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:55PM (#8854323) Homepage
    My suggestion to you is to remember that no amount of money or paycheck is worth your happiness. If working two jobs for the added security helps bring you to a higher level of satisfaction with yourself, then do it... because that time spent at your job is coming out of your life!

    Some people require the security. Some people require the money to survive. Some people are trying to save up for a better day. Some people want the benefits that Starbucks offers because the lame staffing company won't give out benefits. If I were you, I'd check my motivation and reasons for holding down two jobs and determine how important your reasoning is in your life.

  • Other Variables (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the eric conspiracy ( 20178 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:56PM (#8854334)

    So much depends on factors that you don't mention here:

    - What is your financial position, do you have savings to tide you over if your insecure job goes tits up?

    - Does the insecure job offer things like exposure to technologies that would make finding another job easier?

    - Could you use the free time you get from the new job to look for an even better job?

    You have to weigh all the factors.

    • Financial situation is okay, I like my toys, and I like to buy new toys, and still stay above water, hence the second job.

      Your second question there is actually some of the feedback I wanted to listen to, as I said, my main job, is a mainframe operator on a 1976 mainframe, no huge advances in technology there, but about all it gives me is more time to log as a "mainframe operator", which I might add is not a career option I'd like to see.

      Your third question is also excellent, because, that is probably on

      • Re:Other Variables (Score:2, Interesting)

        by glorinc ( 212422 )
        Your second question there is actually some of the feedback I wanted to listen to, as I said, my main job, is a mainframe operator on a 1976 mainframe, no huge advances in technology there, but about all it gives me is more time to log as a "mainframe operator", which I might add is not a career option I'd like to see.

        If being a mainframe operator is not a position that you want to stay in career-wise, you still might want to try moving up via the mainframe path. The step from operator to system programm
      • Re feeling secure, could you actually live on just *one* of the jobs? In other words, if one of them canned you tomorrow, could the remaining job keep you alive indefinitely? If not, your feeling of security is probably an illusion. The money coming in is no doubt a good thing, but the time spent away from your GF is a bad thing. (Incidentally, if your GF is also working and you're living together, that's extra financial security in itself.)

        Also re security, I think you have to ask yourself whether you
  • I wonder. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Canthros ( 5769 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:56PM (#8854336)
    Maybe you should see if you can eliminate some unnecessary expenses. I mean, in the last three months, I've managed to demonstrate to myself that I can cover all my bills and still eat at only half the pay rate of my last job. Were it not for the car payment, I'd actually be making more on unemployment than I'm spending.
  • by SoCalChris ( 573049 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @06:59PM (#8854387) Journal
    I have a very secure job that pays a little less.

    I've got great benefits though, and that more than makes up for the lower salary.
  • IMHO...It depends on what your financial position is. If you could afford it a single job with lesser stability would leave you more time for your to balance your life. You would have to dedicate some time to keep on looking for your next gig though, and of course save some for the rainy day.

    Personally, I have been consulting [vivekkumar.net] for over 7 years and taking the risk defiantly paid of.


    • If you could afford it a single job with lesser stability

      I find it interesting that jobs with "less stability" are typically the more interesting ones.

      For that reason alone they're worth considering.

      But consider, too, that for many people "less stability" means "about to be canned" where actually, "less stability" can often have a simultaneous meaning of "could hit it big".

      I see an analogy with investing, here.

      Everyone will tell you that for the long term, investing in equities, and smaller companies

      • I am at my second startup. The first one went under and I was unemployed for 6 months. Fortunatly, the higher salary I made while I was employed made up for the inconvenience and it was a fun job.

        Happiness above all. I like the startup environment. Other people hate it. I left a nice secure job for more money and instability. You have to like the prospect that making more means you might have a period of unemployment ahead. If you can live with that, do it. The stress is definitly higher but in my

  • by lightspawn ( 155347 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @07:10PM (#8854513) Homepage
    Don't even have one job, you insensitive clod!
  • girlfriend? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @07:18PM (#8854607)
    She sure seemed happy last night.. thanks for working late!
  • Handy (Score:3, Funny)

    by isorox ( 205688 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @07:27PM (#8854702) Homepage Journal
    Don't even ask about how happy my girlfriend is

    I'm sure your hand will survive, and may even be more useful with the added exercise of pulling pints.
  • by Vincman ( 584156 ) <vincent.vanwylick@gmail . c om> on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @07:37PM (#8854823) Homepage
    Do you have one? I would rate long-term prospects over job stability. No the two are not the same. A job can be beneficial to your development, even if it doesn't last very long, and vice versa.

    I've worked two jobs and juggled a university-education on the side and thought it was worth it because I was getting something out of it. What I got (appart from my degree) was a massive mental and physical breakdown. I'm still a little traumatised by it.

    Two jobs may bring you money and stability during times of uncertainty, but these may continue for a while! And in the end you will have to find something more substainable anyway. Why not do that now?
  • Use fg, ctrl-z, bg and jobs.
  • by Fortunato_NC ( 736786 ) <verlinh75 AT msn DOT com> on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @08:11PM (#8855165) Homepage Journal
    One of the few pieces of advice that I treasure was given to me by a co-worker as I was starting out. He told me:

    "When given the choice between making more money and staying where you are, consider everything you love about your current situation. Consider your co-workers, your friends, and everything that depends on you at your current job.

    Then quit being such an idiot and take the money."

    I pass this onto you, and all of Slashdot, in the hopes that you will find it useful.

  • by xrayspx ( 13127 )
    I've tried to figure out a way to work either my full-time dayjob + some crap job, or full-time + consult on the side. So far the math won't line up. For instance, I'm at work at 8:45 with no end in sight, wouldn't be very good for my clients (or my gas station manager) if I had to call and say "no go, full time job is taking too much time".

    You sound like you're in the perfect position to do what I'd like, which is work one full-time tech job + consulting during the day. I say keep the mainframe opera
  • by aminorex ( 141494 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2004 @09:48PM (#8855957) Homepage Journal
    Hey, I know plenty of girls who would be delerious
    to have a boyfriend with one job, leave alone two.
    Why, with two jobs, you should be able to get at
    least two girlfriends. Maybe twins. Not
    that you have time for that.
  • That depends... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Galapas ( 155864 )
    ...on your situation. Are you:

    a) Single, Debt free sitting on some enough coin that if you lose the insecure job you'd have some time to get another job.

    or

    b) Divorced with an alimony payment, credit card debit, a new girlfriend to buy shiny things for student loans and living pay check to paycheck collecting returns on bottles to buy ramen noodles.

    Maybe you need to work the 2 jobs steady until you can payoff some debit bank some sweet coinage, then check out the insecure job market again.

    The point is
  • are you required (or want) to work a second job?

    Depends on your point of view. I work full time. I go to school (at the non-friendly for working students school University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) 1/2 to full time depending on the semester. I maintain a seperate computer consulting business which breaks even each year (no real profit or loss - but there are other benefits). I maintain a home and family. I look forward to graduating and having a single job, and spending my time with my family and hobby of electronics.

    I'm in one of those situations.

    Which, you want to, or have to?

    Do you think it would be a better idea for someone to work two somewhat secure jobs, getting paid a little bit less, or going for a higher paying somewhat insecure job?

    At this point I choose security over better pay. however, neither of the choices you've provided are ideal. Keep in mind that if you take a less secure job that only requires 40 hour weeks then you'll have a lot more time for job searching and polishing your skill set than you'll ever have working for two jobs.

    would you rather work 2 secure jobs, that pay a little bit less than what you could be making, or would you rather get paid a touch more, and work for 1 less secure employer?

    Again, neither choice is good. It depends on the money and how you define 'secure'. The last several jobs I've had they realize very quickly how hard I work and how valuable I am. All of my employers, even those providing 'less secure' positions, have been unhappy to see me go. (I don't engage in bidding wars - when I decide to leave I leave. Bidding leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth)

    So go for the job where you'll be happiest. If happiness comes from more security, less time, less money, and less flexibility, then stay in your comfort zone. If you can afford to take a risk (as a family man my risk level is low, but you may have much more space to move right now) then shoot for the stars. Show your stuff, and make yourself a valued employee.

    As always, don't rely on someone else's opinion as to what you should do. Make a decision. Stick to the decision until, if ever, you decide it was a mistake. If it was a mistake then shift gears and correct your course. Don't ever think that you're stuck - there's always another direction to go in. You're only stuck if you say you are, etc, etc.

    And don't use slashdot as a motivational resource - if you can't motivate yourself, then no one else will be able to motivate you when you most need it.

    -Adam
    • I maintain a seperate computer consulting business which breaks even each year (no real profit or loss - but there are other benefits).

      i'm curious, what benefits? do you mean that the business itself makes no profit even though you as an employee are still paid or that since you are the business, you end up spending about as much as you charge?
      • He means that he makes a profit, but then reinvests it into his business by buying business related stuff like computer hardware and software. He breaks even on paper, and that's where it counts. Since all home businesses itemize their deductions for taxes (or at least they'd be insane not to) he won't pay any taxes on income made from the business if he spent every dollar he made on the business.

        It's just part of being a smart business owner.
      • It means that I'm not a good accountant, and let several customers in years past go without paying for several months. This isn't bad unless you know that their balance was covered by my credit, all the time earning interest. The profits are effectively eaten up in interest.

        I'm climbing out of that hole, rather succesfully, but I'm still more interested in providing my customers with low cost systems than in producing a large profit. Some years I make a profit, some years I break even, a few years I'v
  • by 1iar_parad0x ( 676662 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @01:10AM (#8857306)
    It depends.

    Reasons to avoid this insecure job:
    o the company has a bad business plan
    o the company has a boss who knows nothing about his business
    o the company is incredibly small
    o the company is going through layoffs
    o the company has problems shipping products
    o the company often requires insanely long hours (i.e. cars are in the parking lot at all hours)
    o you get paid in a delayed fashion (not weekly/bi-weekly)
    o your contract isn't ironclad (even if it is, you could still have problems)
    o your employer doesn't like design documents (bad if you're an independent contractor)
    o you've got a family and kids

    Reasons to take/keep a job:
    o the job looks good on paper
    o this experience could get you another job in the future
    o the job pays considerably more
    o flexible hours
    o your work at this job directly effects your success
    o your very happy at your job
    o your job is fun

    Frankly, we've got no details about the job. So, I couldn't tell you either way.
    • Whenever I'm trying to make a tough decision, I make a spreadsheet that lists every factor that goes into the choice (e.g. job security, time with GF/BF, pay). I include a space to assign a numerical weight to each factor, and for each option there's a space to assign a score, indicating whether it (for example) would provide really good job security or really bad job security. There's a live formula at the bottom of each column to total the weighted scores for each option.

      Then I step back and watch mys

  • You posted this Ask Slashdot thingie is that we all know you have a girlfriend, huh?

    I don't suppose you'll give the rest of us, with single jobs and free time, her phone number?
  • Outsource (Score:3, Funny)

    by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @03:28AM (#8857822) Journal
    Just get two, maybe even thirty full-time work-at-home jobs. Then outsource them all to India, two workers for each job. They'll work overnight and during the days you take over, inspecting the quality, making sure the style is consistent, and writing out plans for the next night's work.

    I'd never do that myself, knowing how it hurts the US job market, but it is a tried and proven strategy for success.
    • How does this hurt the US job market if you create a career for yourself by being a middleman b/t US businesses and Indian coders? This job was not there before you created it? Nobody is fired.

      Sometimes, it is just win-win, not win-lose.
  • by AlecC ( 512609 )
    You obviously have the ability and willingness to do a number of different kinds of jobs. What is the fallback situation? If you go for the higher paid, but risky, job, how long will it take to get another bartender job?

    Round here, tech jobs are pretty specialised and don't come up all that often. If you lose your tech job, it may be months, or an enormous commute, before another comes up. But bartender jobs come up all the time. There is a high turnover, and a lot of places where the skills needeed are es
  • Buy this [thinkgeek.com] shirt, take that job and you'll be ok!
  • by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Wednesday April 14, 2004 @10:07AM (#8859312) Homepage
    I did the two-jobs-at-once thing for 4 years as a practical necessity. It wasn't bad, because the day job was something I sorta enjoyed, and the other was generally innocuous. They were both really steady, reliable work, but nothing that would advance my career. Then I got laid off from the day job (not so reliable after all). I finally ended up at a single job that pays better, but ranges from frustrating to boring. My job security is OK. I'd rather go back to the way things were. I'm coming to the conclusion that money and time and security aren't the things that will determine whether I'm happy in a job; enjoying the job itself seems to matter most.
  • If you are in the IT field, and work at a job you may consider "unsecure", you are still making contacts and impressing people if you do well. Once you are in the field you are IN. You won't believe the amount of job offers you get when you get a Net Admin/Engineer job. It is analagous to "when you have a girlfriend, suddenly girls talk to you. when you were single, they would not give you the time of day." Good luck man. I would keep a second part-time job just for a hobby, the less computer related, the b
  • How Unsecure? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by azadrozny ( 576352 )
    How do you define unsecure? Are you working a with a highly specialized, little used technology for a company/project that just started last week?

    I think you have to look at the whole thing in aggregate. How good is the local job market? How much more money does it pay? How bad do you want to work one job? If you are really that unsure take a portion "extra" money you earn and put it into a rainy day fund. If you are building a good (general) skill set and building a good network of friends/business

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