Foreign Language Learning Software for Arabic? 80
Doc Squidly asks: "In the near future I will be spending a year in the Middle East and feel it
would be in my best interest to learn Arabic. Unfortunately I do not have the time to enroll in a college class and have decided that a computer base earning method would suit my situation best. I've looked at products such as
ArabicNow! V9 Deluxe and
Rosetta Stone Arabic but have not been able to find reviews on these or any other products. English is my first language and was fluent in German and Latin but, haven't used them in many years. I believe that having the right tools can make a difference in learning Arabic. Any advise from multi-lingual Slashdot readers would be helpful. Has anyone ever used software to learn a foreign language?"
Porno! (Score:1, Offtopic)
That's a good language to be fluent in.
Re:Porno! (Score:1)
Re:Porno! (Score:3, Funny)
Rosetta Stone is awesome (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, chatting with someone patient is the best way to do it, but Rosetta Stone will get your foot in the door.
Another approach... (Score:5, Insightful)
Poke around on the web and find some online chat groups for Arab-Americans or (Arab-AnyEnglishSpeakingNation) and explain your interest to converse in Arabic with someone. As long as they don't suspect you of working for the CIA (which I suppose they have every reason to) they would probably be glad to see people taking an interest in their culture and would serve as a "language buddy", engaging you in simple conversations to build up your skills. In return, you could help them with their English (or, in your case, German).
Now, there is one problem, writing and reading a language is nothing like speaking it. For this, I can think of one good solution, buy a Mac, an iSight, and use the audio/video features of iChat!
Not CIA (Score:1)
Thanks for the input.
Re:Not CIA (Score:1)
Re:Not CIA (Score:1)
Re:Not CIA (Score:1)
Re:Not CIA (Score:1)
Check with the DLI, or Defense Language Institute, in Monterey.
If worse comes to worse, you can do what the IMCO (International Morse Code Operator) students did before and after my RM "A" time at NTC/SSC/NTCC (Naval Training Center/Service School Command/Naval Telecommunications Center, (I forget now) did:
-Get a tape recorder/player
-Insert checked-out tape
-Play, all night long in ears, "di-dah-dah, di-di-di) (or, if using tones at the proper Hz, d
Rosetta Stone is good (Score:3, Informative)
Here are a few reviews (Score:2)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00 0 05APYM/qid=1089252261/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-80593 58-4919026?v=glance&s=software&n=507846
IMO, Amazon is always a great first place to look, if only for the reviews(even if you don't end up buying anything off them)
Search for arabic software/books and see what other people have said.
You always have to take the reviews with a grain of salt, some people provide very insightful reviews, some one sentence, some have
Pimsleur (Score:3, Interesting)
I've used the "Living Language", "Berlitz", and a few others but always found the Pimsluer method to be more effective. Evan for a guy like me who considers himself hopeless at learning languages. I used Pimsleur for German, French, Russian, Spanish, Herbrew, and "Eypptian Arabic" and was quite surprised at how much I'd learned when conversing with native speakers.
The Pimsleur method is based on immediate feedback. Within a about a minute of the first lesson you're asked questions to which you have a few seconds in which to respond. The other methods I found boring, almost like leaning by rote.
You can find plenty of Pimsleur MP3s on the gnutella network. Get the gnutella software here [gnutelliums.com].
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
P.S. Please don't include any of that "Pirating isn't stealing" bs.
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
I like to think yes, there would. But if there would not, then I would agree with you
and say that people should encourage talent and creativity (as Pimsleur obviously is)
and do the right thing and go out and buy Pimsluer and support the source that provides it.
But if the copyright laws were recinded, do you think there would be no Pimsleur? Is that your argument?
Would somebody fill the void? What would Pimsleur have don
Re:Pimsleur (Score:3, Interesting)
The Beatles definately did it for money, as I didnt notice them giving away all of their profits and living in poverty. (Not that they didn't enjoy it, but if you go ask paul, I bet he would say Piracy is wrong...)
Michael Moore lives in a huge Manhattan apartment, worth several million dollars. He did it for the money (and because he hates his targets)
Einstein did it because he was a geek, and patriotic
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
This is pretty sloppy logic. I know a number of musicians; some of them get paid for it and some don't. But pretty much all of them make music because they want to make music; getting paid is a nice bonus, and much of that money goes right back into the costs of making music.
The
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
The fact that those people exist has no impact on the rights of people that want to make music for pay. You have the choice to support (or leech) from whichever musicians you want. Because B do
Re:Pimsleur (Score:1)
All I'm saying is that Mozart didn't "do it for the money". He made music, and he did get paid, but the causal connection is pretty weak.
BTW, for the techies, you are mixing types of people. (As you did before with Newton and Einstein)
Now you're really not paying attention. This may amaze you, but a number of entirely different people post on slashdot. If you have argume
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
Patron: Hey, Mozart, I'll give you these fat sacks of cash money if you write me some music. Mozart: Ok!
Re:Pimsleur (Score:1)
If you're willing to relocate, I might be able to hook you up with a gig importing and supporting grey market computers for a client named Nigel.
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2)
OR you could check it out from your local public library...
Re:Pimsleur (Score:2, Interesting)
Pimsleur's conversational approach recognizes that language is fundamentally an excercise in speech, and that orthography is merely an extension of the communication and mental processes that already exist in the spoken word. There are huge numbers of languages that never developed a w
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Some sites I found (Score:4, Informative)
I hope these prove useful. I learned a bit just playing around with the sites last week. Good luck - Arabic is a step harder to learn than German or French because you have to learn the alphabet first.
If you're just looking for conversational Arabic, I don't think the sites address that as much. I found a few that do, but if you're planning on being in the Middle East for any period of time, I'd assume you'd like to learn to read and write, as well.
special savings on Arabic software (Score:3, Funny)
We have a great package deal:
-- Arabic-language-learning software
-- one-way airfare
-- software for writing your own Last Will & Testament
-- titanium and carbon-fibre high-collar turtle-neck vest
-- discount coupon for a burial-plot & coffin, sized for your current height from your heels to your collar-bone
Re:special savings on Arabic software (Score:1)
apology (Score:1)
It was totally inappropriate.
As for my original post, I plead temporary inability to resist the temptation of scoring some karma points from an all-too-obvious opportunity for a joke.
Re:apology (Score:2)
apology (Score:1)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=113781
Re:special savings on Arabic software (Score:1)
"Huked on fonix wurked fore mee".
Immersion learning will be the best way. Probably DLA Monterey/Carmel has a Arab specialy team who'll make everyday a non-english day...
David Syes
I know! (Score:2)
Re:I know! (Score:1)
Re:I know! (Score:2)
He can't be both your dad and your uncle, can he now? Unless, of course, he married your aunt after fathering you with your mother? Nah, uncle Sammy wouldn't do that...
Re:I know! (Score:1)
For those in the military he can be considered parent.
You WILL NOT learn Arabic from computer software (Score:5, Insightful)
...and beware of different dialects. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:...and beware of different dialects. (Score:1)
As an example, in the written language, "I learn" translates to something like "Ana a'limu" (where the ' stands for the "ayin" consonant which does not exist in any Western language I'm aware of); in Egyptian and Palestinian spoken Arabic, this becomes "Ana Bat'alam", a totally different inflection. This is not
Re:You WILL NOT learn Arabic from computer softwar (Score:2)
find someone who speaks arabic (Score:2, Interesting)
If you don't know anyone who speaks Arabic then I'm sure you could find a college student or something that
FSI and some other suggestions (Score:2)
the one word you'll ever need to know (Score:1, Funny)
you can blow yourself up for extra emphises .
Only you... (Score:2, Insightful)
In my experience you have to try methods out yourself. Do you like learning things from a computer screen? Do so. Do you like reading grammar books? Do so. Do you like learning long lists of words
Re:Only you... (Score:1)
No, this means one is likely to learn the "International Language" instead of the stated language, heheh".
The tones are likely flat, the body inflictions pleasing to the touch, and guttural sounds understood, but maybe overstated...
David Syes
Key phrases to know in Arabic: (Score:3, Funny)
"Could you please direct me to Ramallah?"
"Into the van? If you insist."
"I triple guarantee you, I am not a member of the CIA."
"No, thanks. I've grown rather attached to my head."
Use Meetup to find people (Score:1)
US army has a game (Score:2)
June 14 issue - Army Special Operations soldiers may soon get a high-tech computer game to teach them Arabic. Now being designed at the University of Southern California, the Tactical Language Training System helps students learn "situational Arabic" by
While we're on the topic... (Score:2)
Re:While we're on the topic... (Score:1, Funny)
Use an iPod (Score:2, Interesting)
1) The dialog CDs as mp3-files.
2) The dialog texts as text files.
Upload the mp3-files to the iPod and upload the texts as Notes. Then you can sit and read the texts at the same time as you listen to the voices. In an airplane, in a waiting room, at the dentist's, in the underground. In the car, you should not read the screen obviously, but you can still listen to the mp3-files, and then read the texts once you arrive at your hote
Re:Use an iPod (Score:1)
This may actually not work with Arabic. I'm not sure how good the iPod is at displaying Arabic characters. But I know you can make it work with most European languages, Japanese and Chinese.
The iPod does not display Arabic or Hebrew. Latin-script based languages, Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), Japanese, and Korean all work fine.
Re:Use an iPod (Score:1)
Pity. Still, not all is lost, if you anyhow happen to have an iPod, and if you can get the written text transliterated to latin characters. It's much less useful than seeing the "real" Arab letters, at least when you're past the stage of being a complete novice, but it might be better than nothing.
Good luck, anyhow!
Do-it-yourself (Score:3, Informative)
My native is Russian and when I had decided to learn English well, I looked around for Linux apps and couldn't find what I wanted. So I wrote a coupe of applications myself.
granule [sourceforge.net] is my indexcard program. It's UTF-8, so you can use and keyboard bindings you want.
gwavmerger [sourceforge.net] is a memory-training program targeted for learing foreign languages. All you need is a microphone and a sound card to make your own lessons for your own level. I tried to explain the process in its manual.
I have been using both programs on a daily basis for several years now and they helped me to make a giant leap towards my goals.
For an on-line dictionary I highly recommend StarDict.
The skeleton of studying any foreign language is, of course, its grammar. Don't overlook it.
Don't believe all the BS teachers say about submerging into the environment and making friends with native-speakers. It is all baloney. Grammar, and daily practice of memorizing words and text senteces will do the trick.
Hope this helps,
--3rdShift
I'll also vouch for the Rosetta Stone (Score:1)
Re:I'll also vouch for the Rosetta Stone (Score:2)
Arabic in one place isn't Arabic in another (Score:1)