Extracting Digital Video from LaserDiscs? 92
americanatavist asks: "I was wondering how feasible it would be to digitally copy LaserDisc movies to DVD. Clearly this would require the standard suite of tools to make a DVD. What method would yield the maximum level of quality? Is it worth the effort to find a means of extracting the digital information using an LD-ROM drive, or would the S-video from a regular LD player suffice?"
Get it? Oh man I'm good... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Get it? Oh man I'm good... (Score:2)
Not digital (Score:3, Informative)
LaserDisks are analog video (Score:4, Insightful)
If you've gone to enough trouble to buy LDs, you should be looking at the price of DVDs these days and realizing that its cheaper/easier just to replace your entire collection (or the ones you really want) with DVDs and then rip those losslessly onto your HD using a $20 DVD-ROM drive.
Re:LaserDisks are analog video (Score:2)
Re:LaserDisks are analog video (Score:2)
doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:2)
I WANT MY LD AND MAKE SOME DVD ISO'S FOR PEOPLE OF THE BEST VERSION OF STARWARS EVER!
that being said, if anyone has an LD of StarWars, I'll do the conversion for free. email me for details if you're interested!
-zoloto
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:3, Informative)
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:1, Troll)
The correct term is "copying". You would never engage in copying copyrighted material.
Evidently you don't believe in fair use.
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:4, Insightful)
The same is true with IP theft. Except that in this case, there is a one to many relationship between privider and benefactor, where in the the case of the haircut there is only a one to one relationship. But it is still theft of service nonetheless.
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:2)
The barber exchanges his work for money. You asked him to cut your hair, promising to pay him, and you didn't. You stole him his pay, which you had promised to pay, in a verbal contract.
Subway musicians share their work in hope for money. They sing, you listen, and if you want, you pay them, if you don't you don't need to pay.
I think the analogy with musicians would actually be easier, because they actually use a similar model to promote their work.
The problem here is that analogies are not
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:2)
You've left after wasting the barber's time!
Now if you hear a great song on the radio, so you go out and buy the CD, and despite promises that the CD is great, it sucks, has the record company stolen anything?
Why can't you hear unbiased reviews of music on the radio? has the record company stolen anything?
Why can't you return the CD? You might have made copies? Really? Has the record company stolen anything?
Why can't you play cool CD's in the barber shop while people abscond with their free hair
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:2)
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:3, Interesting)
If anybody ever gives you any shit about it, tell 'em I said it was ok.
Cary.Sherman@RIAA.com
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:2, Funny)
Han still shoots first.
Re:doing this with origional STAR WARS trilogy (Score:1)
Then conveniently I mentioned it to a friend and *poof* he already has such a set. I'll get two copies and
question (Score:2)
Can I qualify for a DVD iso at all?
Re:LaserDisks are analog video (Score:2)
e.
Re:LaserDisks are analog video (Score:1)
http://www.dvd-register.com/Never_Issued_On_DVD
Analog? (Score:2)
The best option would be to find a player with RGB output and then hook it into a capture card that accepts RGB.
Re:Analog? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Re:Analog? (Score:2)
Like:
[British American]
Mains powered AC powered
Sony make bad products Sony makes bad products
Globalisation is amusing Globalization is amuzing
etc.
Very interesting.
Then again, there are boots and car parks and all that stuff... The British are slaughtering the English language (lol)
Re:Analog? (Score:2)
So that should be:
[British <=> American]
etc.
Sorry!
Re:Analog? (Score:2)
You suckue!
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Analog? (Score:1)
That still makes it a deviation from the standard (UK English, which you brought by boat) to spell it "analog" and "color" etc. Yes, they are redundant, but I'm sure 50% of all the letters are as well.
American Heritage Dictionary disagrees. (Score:2)
Yes, we tend to use the variant spelling when talking about circuits, but that doesn't change the fact that it is, indeed, a variant and not the preferred spelling.
Re:Analog? (Score:2)
That's right. Composite video. The one yellow cord.
Why? Because that's how the analog video is stored on the disc! The S-Video and Component and RGB outs on LD players merely apply a lousy dotcrawl filter then upsample.
Your computer can remove dotcrawl much better than a 10-year-old LD player's realtime removal thingy.
As for capturing audio, get a sound card with SP/DIF in and use that.
Aha... (Score:5, Funny)
if he does i'll do it for free! (Score:2)
you know, before Lucas and Co. decided to ruin the origional franchise, people had LD copies of SW. I want to find a few and put them on DVD as well... you know.. becase my tape copies are almost 20+ years old. There's only so much you can do with a 20+ year old tape.
I WANT MY LD AND MAKE SOME DVD ISO'S FOR PEOPLE OF THE BEST VERSION OF STARWARS EVER!
that being said, if anyone has an LD of StarWars, I'll do the conve
Reviews of all Star Wars bootleg DVDs (Score:2)
It seems the best ones are the Definitive versions - I have Version B and it's pretty average, but it IS original trilogy, not bastardised special edition.
I have a friend on permanent lookout for the Definitive Edition set whenever he travels via Bangkok...
Re:Aha... (Score:1)
I dont see a problem with this, simply transfering them to a different format.
Wonder what sort of quality drop I would get?
My Policy is... (Score:2)
Re:goddamn moron... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:goddamn moron... (Score:1)
Sell them. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Sell them. (Score:5, Informative)
Sadly there is almost zero market for selling laserdiscs. Many of those on eBay don't even get bids. For those that do get bids, add in the shipping costs and the result is similar in price to DVDs so only few people will buy the disks.
An even bigger problem is the lack of players. Due to the size and weight of the discs, the players do start acting up over time. That makes second hand players a very dicey decision.
Two years ago I needed a new player due to the death of my old one after 7 years of service. The only new one available was the Pioneer DVL-919 at around $1000. That buys a lot of DVDs. Fortunately I managed to get a used player for $50 from my local AV store, but when it dies I'll give up on Laserdisc.
I have about 350 discs, and it will be a sad day when I can no longer watch them. DVDs are a lot more convenient, especially from Netflix :-)
Re:Sell them. (Score:2)
At the same time, my player is getting funky, some of the old disks are rotting out, so LD is dying here as well, even as a library format.
Re:Sell them. (Score:2)
Re:Sell them. (Score:2)
And I have several laserdiscs that were bargain bin at the time (ie around $20
Re:Sell them. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sell them. (Score:1)
Re:Sell them. (Score:2)
Re:Sell them. (Score:1)
The usual procedure is to make your player region '0', shorthand for all regions enabled. Some dvds (but not many) detect this and will not play. In that case, change the region again to the specific re
Re:Sell them. (Score:2)
Re:Sell them. (Score:1)
You cannot digitally extract them? (Score:1)
Re:S-Video is not digital! (Score:1)
Neither is Laser Disc (Score:1)
unless this guy is planning on having a DVD of the true StarWars Trilogy (not this crap that lucas(s) put out in the 1990's) it just isn't worth the effort, and he should just buy the DVD releases of his LD films.
Re:Neither is Laser Disc (Score:1)
Re:Neither is Laser Disc (Score:2)
ld rips (Score:1)
already for download? (Score:2)
Analog Composite Video, Digital Audio (Score:5, Informative)
The audio on LDs is (except for the very old discs) digital: 16-bit 44KHz PCM, just like CDs. Many newer discs contain AC3 audio (16-bit 48KHz multichannel Dolby Digital) or dts audio, but in either case you'd need a player that supports it.
For convenience, you can't beat hooking the player up to a FireWire DV media converter box. But for the best quality transfer, I recommend:
Video: raw analog capture card; WinTV dbx or preferably PixelView X-Capture, an incredible card for ~$40.
Audio: get an audio card based off of the CMI8738 chipset that has digital in/out. These can capture an externally-clocked digital signal without altering it at all. I've used one of these to capture the 5.1 Dolby Digital stream off of a LaserDisc and (with some slight massaging of the stream) put it on a DVD without recompression. Even if you're just dealing with the 44KHz stereo PCM that's on most LDs, this will get you a cleaner signal that other options. If you're planning on grabbing the AC3 audio, you'll need an AC3-RF demodulator, or a preamp that will take an AC3-RF signal and output SPDIF or TOSLink to the soundcard.
I've successfully used this to get top-notch transfers of my own LaserDiscs to DVDs. Good luck!
Do use the S-video output jack on Pioneer players (Score:2)
Also of note is that they store composite video, so a LaserDisc player with an S-Video connector is not necessarily better than one without, as your capture card may do a better job than the player of converting composite to S.
Though in some cases - certainly for Pioneer players - the S-Video output would be preferable to the composite output on the same player. The D/A converters for these outputs are usually superior to the composite ones.
Even though the video is stored as composite, the S-Video outp
Re:Analog Composite Video, Digital Audio (Score:2)
Just curious, but 'raw analog capture' does that mean a composite RCA on the back of the card?
I'm hoping what you mean is that there's some way to feed the laser's digital output directly to an NTSC decoder without needing to use the DA converter in the laserdisc player.
Hey, I can hope...
I have done LD transfers (Score:5, Informative)
Now, there has been talk of s-video being better to capture from the LD. Others have suggested RGB. Well, the answer is that neither is best. LD video is stored as composite video and any LD player with an s-video or RGB output is extracting that from the composite signal. Depending on the quality of the player you may be better just using the composite signal and using a high quality demodulator. The most modern LD players included advanced 3 line or 3D comb filters to separate the chroma and luma and give an s-video output that looked better than the quality of consumer TVs. Where digital field effects are available it may not be possible to get at the true composite video signal depending on the design of the player as some recombine the internal digital signal extracted from the disc for these effects back into analogue s-video and composite signals. Some players even offer the output as RGB but the picture quality is pretty poor.
Another problem with LDs is that they suffer from chroma noise. Generally the picture quality is very good, way better than SVHS. Resolution is 425 lines (NTSC) or 440 lines (PAL). Remember this has little to do with scanlines. Lines of resolution is a measure of how many lines you can resolve for example on a test card like those provided on Video Essentials. SVHS maxes out around 400 lines so is almost as good and VHS sits at 240 lines. DVD manages around 480 lines so looks a little clearer depending on the transfer. LD looks much better than VHS or SVHS because it has more bandwidth for the chroma (colour) portion of the signal than the VHS formats. The difference is apparent when you make an SVHS tape of an LD, it looks muddier and less colour rich. Betamax recordings look significantly better in this respect. However, some LDs were not great transfers and suffered noise in the colour signal and this appears particularly in the blues which sometimes flicker badly. The Aladdin CAV LD set for instance is very bad for this. Conversely the THX CAV LDs of the Star Wars Trilogy are amazingly clean. The noise levels will affect your ability to get a good digital transfer.
The highest quality LD players were notable for increasing detail through the use of high quality video processing to reduce chroma noise. The Pioneer Elite series LD players were very good in this respect and if you are going to do a transfer you need to get one of those. Budget LD players still look good but may be more noisy.
Ordinary computer capture cards (things like WinTV PCI) are poor at best for this. You may be better getting your hands on a stand-alone DVD recorder and going with that. Of course, you also have the issue of getting the audio. Some LDs contain Dolby Digital or DTS sound. DTS sound is available on the standard optical digitial audio out but DD sound comes from an RF modulated connection that you can't just stuff into a d
Re:I have done LD transfers (Score:2)
http://jkor.com/peter/tvlines.html
The long and the short of it is that lines of resolution is the number of resolvable lines that can be seen in an analogue TV picture. While the resolution of a digital TV image for a PAL DVD is made up of 720x576 pixels, the actual lines of resolution is about 480-500. Go to the linked page, its pretty good and quite clear. There is also an impact on resolution due to interlace which is why projection TV systems often have deinterlac
Re:I have done LD transfers (Score:2)
An additional bit of trivia is that there are 4 audio tracks on a typical laserdisc. Two of these are analog tracks and two are digital. The analog tracks are provided as a fallback in case a player doesn't support digital au
method of digitizing a laser disk (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:method of digitizing a laser disk (Score:1)
Practical and usefull advice (Score:3, Informative)
I have over 1000 Laserdiscs, and two very good players (one brand new in the box, waiting for the day my main one dies). However, a couple of the rare discs that I really like have started to exhibit some speckling, so I've transferred those to DVD.
As others have pointed out, the video track on LDs are actually analog, so the setup is very simple (assuming you don't want to extract the digital audio from the disc). Here's how I do it:
Note that you should be sure to select the correct audio mode on the LD player if you're capturing a disc with Dolby Digital audio. One of the major failings of DD on LD (which DTS didn't have) was that they sacrificed one of the audio channels to contain the DD bitstream.
You may also want de-interlace the footage in your capture app before transcoding for DVD.
-David
PVR-230 (Score:1)