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Open Source Software for ASPs? 50

Posted by Cliff from the actively-serving-pages dept.
PsychoKodiac wonders: "I am querying the Slashdot community for help concerning ASP pages. I am currently looking for a solution to create and serve ASP content off of my own computer for the time being. I have been referred to mono_mod and SharpDevelop but I am having a difficult time finding guides or references for using these two Open Source products together. I am attracted to them due to the lack of funds needed to use them. I am hoping some one may be able to refer me to guides or perhaps an alternative to these two products if sufficient guides are not present due to the fact that mono_mod and SharpDevelop are still in development."
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Open Source Software for ASPs?

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  • Please evolve (Score:2, Informative)

    by Safety Cap ( 253500 )
    You can program in the much more powerful JSP using freely downloadable Tomcat, or you can go Ruby on Rails and do your thing with the available free tools.

    ASP is dead. Please upgrade to the current century.

    Thank you.

    • The above seems like a truly obvious trolling attempt. But I can't help but agree. Your looking for free tools? Why don't use languages that are free (and In the experience of many much better). I've done a fair amount of work in JSP and truly enjoy it, I'm tempted to look at php or something simpler, but why ASP?

      • Re:Please evolve (Score:2, Informative)

        by iwan-nl ( 832236 )

        JSPs are a good solution for large projects, but for smaller scale projects it would be overkill.

        My advise would be to check out php. It's very similar to "classic" ASP. Another option would be perl, but php is a lot easier to learn if you already know asp.

    • Re:Please evolve (Score:2, Insightful)

      by tim256 ( 855256 )
      Yes, JSP, php, servlets, and ASP.Net are all superior technologies to ASP. However, I sometimes use ASP for simple intranet sites. It's a little easier than other web languages if you are using Windows. All you have to do is turn on IIS and drop in your asp files. Doesn't everyone already know VB script anyways?

      On the post, the guy said something about mono. Why would you use mono, unless you are using linux or unix? If you're using linux, why would you want to use ASP.Net? That's insane! The original post

    • Re:Please evolve (Score:3, Informative)

      by LiENUS ( 207736 )
      This guy means ASP.Net and if hes the guy i'm thinking of its for a class at college, he showed up in #dotgnu on freenode the other day asking a similar question, JSP and Ruby don't do any good for his instructor.

      • Then he should object to the instructor.

        How would you feel about a Chemistry class that gave assignments that could only be done with DuPont-brand proprietary reagents? Or an Astronomy class that asked you to record the spectrum of an object only detectable if you used Corning (tm) lenses? Or a Math class where the only way to get the "right" answer was to use a certified HP calculator?

        That's not education, that's captive audience marketing.

        --MarkusQ

        • And how awful would it be if a course could be completed only with a specific textbook that all students were forced to buy? Oh, the horror!
          • When I was at uni we were given a list of recommended books and it was our choice whether we purachsed them or not. Although some of the books were neccessary, there were always several copies available in the library.

            More often than not I chose to go without the recommended book, instead utilising web resources.

            So yeah, that would suck.
          • What's even better is when the professor wrote the textbook. Had that happen in a psychology and maths class. I hate you, Dr. Charles Rees.
          • I had prescribed books when I was in school, in university I had reading recommendations, and I would decide to buy the books or not.
            In university I even had the option of attending classes or not. Hell, college students are all adults ,they're not supposed to be treated as kids!
            In which university they force you to buy books? Get outta there while you can. Those guys are crooks.

    • Re:Please evolve (Score:3, Insightful)

      by der_joachim ( 590045 )
      ASP is dead. Please upgrade to the current century.

      Disagreed. ASP is still widely used. I don't like it. It lacks some nice nifty stuff that is almost standard for languages such as PHP or Perl. But as long as it comes with PWS/IIS, it will be used by developers.

  • WebMatrix (Score:4, Informative)

    by Goyuix ( 698012 ) on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @06:56PM (#11694074) Homepage
    If you are running Windows, go take a visit to www.asp.net and look at WebMatrix. It also includes a small web server called Cassini that can serve up .NET content as well.

    WebMatrix
    http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex =4&tabId=46 [asp.net]

    Cassini Web Server
    http://www.asp.net/Projects/Cassini/Download/ [asp.net]

    • Limitations of Cassini (Score:4, Informative)

      by parvenu74 ( 310712 ) on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @07:10PM (#11694243)
      Some of the known limitations of Cassini [asp.net]:
      1) Only one ASP.NET application per port.
      2) No support HTTPS
      3) No support of authentication (NTLM, digest)
      4) Only localhost requests

      It's #4 that is the show-stopper since the original post implies (or at least I inferred from it) that content is to be served to more than just localhost requests.

      If you are leaning toward a Mono implemetation, there is the aforementioned mod_mono as well as XSP -- more info here [mono-project.com].

      • Re:Limitations of Cassini (Score:3, Informative)

        by pr0c ( 604875 )
        It's #4 that is the show-stopper since the original post implies (or at least I inferred from it) that content is to be served to more than just localhost requests.

        It takes all of a few seconds to recompile cassini to answer to anyone... IIRC you simply comment out 3 lines.

        I'm pretty sure this guy hit #C# on Freenode yesterday or so, he is on linux so the cassini stuff isn't going to work for him anyway.
    • If you run Win XP Pro or 2000 pro you can run IIS with up to 10 concurrent connections, that should be good enough for most home use. Through it asp and asp.net are both available. Of course that will cost you about $110 for the license

  • zerg (Score:2, Informative)

    by Lord Omlette ( 124579 )
    Don't hate me [ricocheting.com]...

    I'm a huge fan of .NET, don't get me wrong, but either write it yourself or use real open source tools...

  • Get your feet wet! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by QuietRiot ( 16908 ) <cyrus&80d,org> on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @06:58PM (#11694094) Homepage Journal
    Jump in and start developing! This is a wonderful way to learn your way around these new packages and explore what they currently can and cannot do. Download the source, compile and try and add a feature your project needs. Give yourself a Saturday or Sunday if you have to work otherwise and see what you can make of it. You'll soon discover whether or not it's ready for your project.

  • I thought you meant Application Service Providers, I wonder what happended to those, perhaps broadband will bring them back!

    • They went underground. Now they just service large businesses.

      A lot of off-site corporate IT shops do the same thing, just in a captive environment.

      Once Broadband saturates the country, you will see microsoft shift to an ASP/Lease model into the homes, then slowly migrate to small business.

      Enterprise level, will still have local IT control for the forseeable future..

      Dont forget it took decades to move away from that model ( mainframe ). It will take longer to get back.
    • Salesforce.com is doing pretty good as an ASP.
  • Install XP Professional (maybe Home too) / Windows 2000 / Windows 2003 Install IIS & Front Page Extensions from Windows Components installer (Control Panel -> Add / Remove Software -> Windows Components) Install Web Matrix or VS.NET. Develop, Deploy, Serve.

  • ASP is not open source (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Claire-plus-plus ( 786407 ) on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @07:47PM (#11694625) Journal
    I would say that your best bet would be to use something that is actually open source like PHP. ASP does some pretty cool stuff granted but open source is open source and ASP is not. If you want to save money go with PHP (or JSP not that I know much about JSP). The main benefit of using open source software like PHP or JSP is that you don't have to use a Mico$oft server.

  • Not enough information... (Score:5, Informative)

    by crisco ( 4669 ) on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @08:44PM (#11695117) Homepage
    What are your goals?

    If you wish to learn ASP.NET you should probably look at using Microsoft's technologies, possibly in conjunction with SharpDevelop. There is a great deal of information about ASP.NET online and in print. If you want to know about SharpDevelop, there is a free digital version of their book linked on the page you linked to, maybe thats a good place to start?

    If you want to learn ASP.NET on a free software platform you are up against a steep learning curve. I'd reccomend learning ASP.NET on Windows first and then making the transition to Free Software. Starting from scratch with Mono and mod_mono or XSP will be tough. As you've seen, there isn't yet a large enough community around these things to generate an abundance of tutorials, documentations and other resources. You can adapt from the Windows versions, but you'll have to deal with translating database interfaces, web server differences and minor differences in the C# libraries themselves.

    If you want to learn web programming in general, Apache with PHP might be a better place to start. While PHP has its drawbacks, it is more widely used and has much more open source software available for it than the ASP.NET platform. Other excellent options have already been suggested, like JSP, Python and Ruby on Rails.

  • What system are you running? (Score:4, Informative)

    by stoborrobots ( 577882 ) on Wednesday February 16, 2005 @09:36PM (#11695575)
    If you're running Windows, the easiest thing to run ASP in is IIS if you're on XP/2000, or its little brother PWS on Win9X/ME. (They're free for playing around with.) Note: Neither is available for XP Home.
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/pwebsrv/d eploy/setuppws.mspx [microsoft.com]
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb; en-us;306898 [microsoft.com]
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluation/feat ures/iis.mspx [microsoft.com]
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304197/EN-US/ [microsoft.com]

    If you're not, the easiest way to run your ASP is via a free hosting provider:

    http://www.brinkster.com/Hosting/Educational.aspx [brinkster.com]
    http://www.aspfree.com/asp/freeasphost.asp [aspfree.com]
    http://www.alltheweb.com/search?q=free+asp+website +hosting [alltheweb.com]

    HTH.

  • Know what you are doing. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by __aafkqj3628 ( 596165 ) on Thursday February 17, 2005 @05:23AM (#11697703)
    Are you talking about ASP or ASP.NET?

    If you are talking about ASP and you're not running Windows, then you'll probably need something like ChillISoft ASP. It's old, not free, but that's the price you pay for using legacy technologies on unsupported systems.

    If you're talking about ASP.NET, then you're looking for mono. I'd suggest you go to http://www.go-mono.net/ and read the documentation there or even use Google. There's more than enough information there to guide you through setup and mailing-lists for these kinds of questions.

    Slashdot's mods approve questions like this (unclear, unstructured, and could be solved with Google), yet reject perfectly good questions that might be of interest to other people.
  • ...Personally I'd rather be working in PHP all the time personally and professionally. However the place that pays the salary is a Microsoft shop. Therefore my only web programming choices are ASP, and ASP.net, with a little JSP on one specific project(In this case its because the vendor of other call tracking app has a web interface and it runs in JSP) Basically what it boils down too is I can onlt use what the server group here will allow on the servers that means Microsoft Tech, I can't just instal oth
  • you could always buy windows 2k or small bus server from ebay [ebay.com]... you will only nead one seat licence to run IIS.....

  • Help with ASP.NET (Score:2, Interesting)

    by quamaretto ( 666270 )

    It sounds like what you need is just a testing environment for ASP.NET code, and some basic instructions. I messed around with this a few weeks ago, so I know where you're at.

    If so, you don't really need Apache/mod_mono; just use XSP, which is just an ASP.NET server written in C# by the Mono project. It may not be as fast, but you can test away with it.

    Your toolbox on your local computer should probably be Mono, mcs (C# compiler), MonoDevelop (Based on SharpDevelop), XSP, and the ASP.NET examples for Mono

  • Apache::ASP [apache-asp.org]
    Not sure if the ASP mod is open source, but it is Apache.
  • Sun bought them, I don't know if it's been open sourced. It is (or was) available for free for development use though. I've used chilisoft asp on my dev box and deployed to IIS 5.0 just fine. It's a fairly stable product (with apache 1.3 on windows, less so on linux) with good docs (much better than Microsoft's ASP reference.) The only problem I ran into was a Microsoft bug specific to Sybase ODBC drivers using cursors with ADO was not duplicated in Chilisoft. It's been several years since I used it th

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