Space Saving Technologies for the Home? 156
An anonymous reader asks: "My wife & I are moving from an 1800 square foot apartment to a 900 square foot apartment this weekend. In order to keep our one size extravagance, a 6' x 6' table, we need to make some compromises. What can I do to solve this problem? What other great space-saving solutions with technology are there?"
"The first compromise we've made is books. All of my O'Reilly books, and any other book that we can access on Safari is being given away or sold. I've also gotten rid of my outdated tech manuals, except for the VMS books, and historically significant UNIX books.
I've also disposed of all my desktops. My wife is keeping hers, but all I really need is a portable laptop stand which can mount an LCD screen, and my PowerBook.
Now comes the Living Room -- our entertainment center takes up way too much space. 400 DVDs, 100 videos, and countless CDs. We're going to rip all of the CDs, for sure. We're also going to get rid of our television and replace it with a wall-mounted LCD.
This leaves an important question: Digital Media Centers. I've seen a lot of half-there DIY digital media centers involving MythTV or Windows Media Center Edition. I just haven't seen the right solution. The right solution to me needs to allow me to easily rip and encode (though I'd be happy just ripping, because I don't want to sacrifice quality for space. I have 10 400GB hard drives laying in my office waiting for a use)."
Sell, Give, Freecycle (Score:5, Insightful)
Books, records, old software, old computers.... there is no end of stuff that seems too good to lose that in fact you can toss easily.
If it can be easily replaced, sell it at a yard sale, on e-bay, or just give it to friends with less means that yourself. If you haven't used in it in a year, toss it out.
Hell, I've given away cars in the past, and a seven foot aluminum stepladder today. The more that you do it, the
Really, any of us have about 300% more stuff than we really need.
Re:Sell, Give, Freecycle (Score:3, Interesting)
But although it is not neccessary, I still miss it sometimes. It's nice to have a place of your own with things that are not neccessary. I will be happy when my new home is finished, but I expect to have a lot of free space for the first year or so.
Learn something from college! (Score:2)
Its extreme, its radical but
Re:Learn something from college! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sell, Give, Freecycle (Score:3, Insightful)
Me too, a 1973 Dodge Dart with the 318 V8. I gave it to my girlfriend's uncle, who used it to go hunting. It was so rusty the roof columns broke and the roof fell in. It's probably still there in the woods, living as a convertible...
Back to topic, I recently moved from a two bedroom apartment to a five room apartment, and never felt so good in my life. I now have a bedroom, computer room, electronics shop, music and reading room, and gym. Giving old things away is OK, but h
Re:Sell, Give, Freecycle (Score:2)
Giving old things away is OK, but having living space is essential to one's personal well-being.
I disagree. I live in a one-bedroom apartment with a lousy 600 square feet. The only things it has going for it are the neighborhood (great), the private driveway (it's a garage apartment -- only share the driveway with my landlord), the lack of neighbors and the cheap ass municipal electricity.
I would love a second bedroom. But I love the money I am saving even more. Given the choice between having extra
Re:Sell, Give, Freecycle (Score:3, Insightful)
On the ripping media front, I'm struggling to build a thin MythTV client around an Via EPIA nano-ITX
Stacking (Score:1)
Re:Stacking (Score:4, Interesting)
As are storage lockers and safe deposit boxes. Personally, I recommend evaluating stuff to see if you really need it. When I had an office, I had a 30 day rule. If I didn't touch it in 30 days, it was gone. It worked really well, and I had virtually nothing in my office.
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Yeah, but I'm still like the old girl.
I didn't say that.
Re:Stacking (Score:2)
I tried that too. That worked well until I got audited.
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Table (Score:4, Funny)
I specifically avoided having a table or a sofa in my (1,100 square foot) apartment. Those two items would take up the whole damn place. Instead, I have a treadmill, widescreen projector HDTV and a huge cheap desk with rows of computers.
I can't figure what you'd use a table for that you couldn't use something else (that takes up less space) for...?
Re:Table (Score:3, Interesting)
It could be just that they like it, but having a core piece of furniture that you are at
Re:Table (Score:4, Insightful)
People just collect too much crap. If you get rid of the crap you don't need (I have a huge DVD collection that I'm getting rid of, because it makes no sense to take up a whole wall to store them when I have already watched them and will probably never watch them again!). Keep a few of yoru most favorite DVDs (say, your Monty Python's Flying Circus collection and your Black Adder collection and your copy of Equilibrium and Brazil) but get rid of the crap. Are you seriously going to watch Red Dawn again? Or Romeo Must Die?!
And for furniture.. well... don't be sentimental and don't be concerned with having to have what you are told everyone has to have by a certain age. Just because they tell you everyone should have a house, a picket fence, a dog, a sofa, a loveseat, a dining table, four chairs, a bed, two end tables, lamps, nightstand, armoire, phone stand, entertainment stand, hallway table, throw-rug, paintings on the walls and a rocking chair doesn't mean you need them or that you even want them. Get rid of the crap that makes people think you're "all grown up now" and keep the crap that you ENJOY and **USE**.
Everything should be disposable in your mind, so that you can dispose of it when it has served it's purpose. Otherwise you're going to just let material goods run your life. You can't throw something away, because you might need it later. You might watch that DVD again in the next ten years even though you haven't in the last five. You might need that weird AC/DC adapter even though you have 14 of them in a plastic bag in an old cardboard box and you don't know what any of them go to. You might need that old $10 phone from Target that is taking up a bunch of space in a drawer. You just never know! Better keep it all!
Then again, I'm not one of those people who like the "cozy" and "cramped" feeling. My home is very stark. Nothing on the walls. No paintings, posters, pictures. Nothing. No throw rugs on the floor. No decorative anything. I have a plain shower curtain. I have plain desks with my computers on them. I have a plain lamp for light. And a treadmill and a cat-tree thing. And then my big TV. That's it. You could roll around on the floor all day and not feel the need for more space.
Even now, I'd rather have less stuff. Lighter stuff. Ideally, you'd have things in such a way that if you had to pick up and leave and never come back, you could do it all in one day - from packing to cleaning to shipping to physically leaving.
Re:Table (Score:2)
That's funny- because of my favorite three pieces that I AM attached to, one's a combination lamp table, one's a rocker, and the third is- a lazy boy. They originally belonged to, before deaths, my paternal grandmother, my wife's mother, and my wife's grandmother, in the same order.
In fact, when Christopher plays on the rocker, we call it "rocking with Grandma Joyce" b
Re:Table (Score:3, Funny)
I moved into a new apartment and after living there for 2 months, the landlord came over took a look around and said, 'whats going on? why haven't you moved in yet?'
heh.
Re:Table (Score:3)
Wolverines!
Re:Table (Score:4, Insightful)
Tools used were a two inch brush (oh, I have a pot of watered down glue which I keep on hand; I also used it to bind a book earlier in the day), a couple other brushes, a razor blade, a sharpened screwdriver (to score the tile), a pair of needle nose pliers, some sandpaper, and a Dremel powertool (to drill out the holes for the lacing in the tiles). Plus a pushpin to pop the holes in the muslin covered cardboard. Oh, and a pencil and artist's eraser to sketch out the symbol before I painted it.
That's a hell of a chunk of stuff... and I pulled it all out of boxes on shelves above my desk.
I dislike a cozy feeling as well -- my living room has a few pieces of furniture and that is *it*. Even in my office, I have a wall of tools and boxes and another wall with a window and almost nothing else. It's where I face when I'm using my laptop. But at the same time, my hobbies do require a good chunk of "stuff", both tools and raw materials.
I can play music on just a guitar. It's nice, and that bit of wood and wire is all I need. But when I build an entire set of props for a stage production, I need a bunch of "stuff". I have indexed and labeled boxes full of various odds and ends, and it generally winds up getting used. I occasionally even pick up stuff on the ground when walking around -- a beat up hubcap that I found in the gutter became, a bit of clay and a mold casting later, the emblem on a guitar case.
I hate pack ratting... I am very aggressive when cleaning out the pantry, the bookshelves, my bedroom (one bed, one chest of drawers, two side tables with one lamp each, one cage full of mice). But I do have a ton of stuff useful for art and stage: foam heads with wigs in one closet, power tools in the basement, another closet full of fabric.
Don't equate "stuff" with material goods -- it is the useless stuff that are the only things that weigh you down. And the attachment to things that can be replaced (and almost everything can be replaced). I've moved cross country twice in the past few years and dropped quite a bit of stuff in each move. But I immediately start building up a storehouse of useful items.
Because it's not the items that are bad - it's how you feel about them and what you do with them. A football player needs a football. A musician needs an instrument. And other people wind up needing a bunch of stuff that is another man's garbage. The researcher needs their pile of books. The working musician needs a pile of gear. Stuff is not, in and of itself, bad.
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Evan
Re:Table (Score:2, Interesting)
Me? I like my crap.
Although I do agree that one has to take the hobby of crap-collection as a casual thing, not a critical, life-warping obsession, there can be a joy, akin to any other cosmically-useless life endeavor, in getting and displaying new and interesting junk.
I'm a garage-sale fanatic, specializing in the little things that society rarely lets commoners buy on the open market (or, at least, things with that general vibe). I enjoy inspiring "WTF?".
My apartment is pretty much bursting
Re:Table (Score:2)
I showed my wife your post because we have collections of everything. We have not yet unpacked from moving into a bigger house last year. I actually have about 12 unopened boxes behind me in my home office right now.
I want to sell or give away the stuff I will never use (like the six Dell desktops behind me), but some stuff I just have to keep or even get more of. We collect books, the older the better. I like technical manuals and maps. I also like foreign
Re:Table (Score:3, Insightful)
(or a social life but I won't mince words here)
Sometimes it's nice to have a clean open space to sit down and actually enjoy a meal or conversation with friends without having to plop them in front of the boob tube or cram them in fold out chairs between your server racks... gah!
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My story. (Score:5, Funny)
When I got my divorce the ~2200 ft^2 here got a lot bigger. Food costs went down by about 80% too.
Didn't you get the memo? (Score:3, Insightful)
THE THINGS YOU OWN
THEY END UP OWNING YOU
Just blow it all up.
Re:Didn't you get the memo? (Score:4, Funny)
The first rule of optimizing your living space is that you do not talk about optimizing your living space. The second rule of...
Re:Didn't you get the memo? (Score:2)
Easy to save space (Score:1)
See, we're here to help!
random ideas (Score:4, Insightful)
Another thing you can do is put stuff up on ebay and make money while you gradually clear out your stuff.
Lose the 6x6 table (or uncrew the legs and put it in the aforementioned storage); a 3x5 footer can fit against a wall when you don't have company over.
When I do spring cleaning I look at something and try to decide if I've actually used it in the last year. If not, out it goes.
Re:random ideas (Score:2, Flamebait)
Latest & Greatest (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Latest & Greatest (Score:2)
All too often, that just ends up in an 1:1 or worse deposit/withdrawal situation (assuming a low-organic-content Dumpster, of course).
steel shelving (Score:2)
It also has wheels. Wheee!
Best Technology of All (Score:3, Insightful)
A $30/mo storage locker and a push cart.
Stick all you can in the storage locker. Anything you haven't gone and retrieved in a year's time goes on the push cart whenever the Salvation Army is ready for you.
The metric system is your friend!! (Score:5, Funny)
Measure the apartment in centimeters to make it bigger.
Umm...Profit?
Variable gravity. (Score:2)
Re:Variable gravity. (Score:4, Funny)
* Buy inflatable furniture
* Fill it with Helium
* Watch as your furniture floats to the ceiling when you don't use it!
Re:Variable gravity. (Score:3, Informative)
It's all about planning and organization (Score:5, Insightful)
Everything has a place. Make sure that everything you own has a place. In small spaces, sometimes you have to sacrifice a little bit of "logical placement" for some "practical placement". For example, I have my pile of extra batteries and spare lightbulbs in a drawer in the nightstand of my bedroom. Does this make sense? Not really; they should probably be in a utility closet or something, but, they fit well there and there was nothing else using that space. The important part is that they've got a place and they're not cluttering up another area.
Efficient use of furniture. When possible try to use furniture that has built-in storage. For example, an end table with a drawer or two can be really useful for storing all sorts of things. Think in 3D. If a piece of furniture is occupying some of your precious square-footage, try to make the best possible use of that space. Storing infrequently used items in drawers or underneath an end-table with a table cloth over it (for example) can make a big difference.
Shelving. You'd be amazed how much you can store on a couple of rows of shelves. If you're not storing books/trinkets or other "decorative" things, you can find wall-mounted book-cases with doors to hide your crap.
Density. In areas that are more-or-less designated for storage (closets, etc), pack densly, but wisely. Well-labelled boxes (like shoe-boxes) can be great for storing all sorts of stuff in a dense manner.
Organization. This one is a big one. Keeping track of where all your stuff is can be tricky. I highly recommend labelling storage containers and remembering to put back what you took out when you're done. When you're stuck in a small space, you'll be amazed how many things you own that you just don't use regularly. Keeping these things accessible but out of the way allows you to retain what you own and now feel too cluttered.
Media Centre.... (Score:1)
For a media centre we kept our VCR, and bought a Mac Mini for playing DVD's and ripped all of our audio on it. As a side benifit it also doubles as our webserver and email server.
works great and is cheap!
IKEA (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:IKEA ... extreme testing! (Score:2)
But I didn't realise they had a bed that was used that often!
Efficient furniture (Score:4, Interesting)
You can find the one I have at IKEA for $200:
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Pro
I also have other helpful pieces of IKEA furniture, like a $39 desk-on-wheels for my Linux desktop. It is really easy to move around, so when you have to rearrange furniture, it's not too much effort. Other things I've found helpful are shelves with partitions and things like:
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Pro
This lets me store my junk somewhere but not have to look at it. Very helpful, and a very good looking coffee table.
Re:Efficient furniture [and shelving!] (Score:3, Informative)
Plan on shelves closer than
Re:Efficient furniture [and shelving!] (Score:2)
Headers are only found above windows and doors. Otherwise there's just the top plate and the tie plate, a total of 3 vertical inches of wood running horizontally and part of that 3 inches is covered by the thickness of the ceiling sheetrock. There's a reason why the screw holes in the horizontal piece are 16 inches apart.
Re:Efficient furniture [and shelving!] (Score:2)
Re:Efficient furniture (Score:3, Funny)
Dude, you did read that he was married, didn't you?
Re:Efficient furniture (Score:2)
Ask slashdot isn't *just* for the person asking, it's for everyone wondering about the same thing.
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Thoughts... (Score:2)
Ripping CDs as a space saver? (Score:2, Interesting)
You can get most of the same benefit much more quickly by getting rid of the ones you're not attached to, throwing the
Re:Ripping CDs as a space saver? (Score:2)
The space savings is huge though: the amp is hidden in a closet, and iTunes runs on an Airport Express. All other components are gone. I don't need to even have shelving for the CDs. Net savings is a wall-slot for a new book case.
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I am really looking forward to having them back in the cases when I am in a place with more space for shelving.
Re:Ripping CDs as a space saver? (Score:2)
Aside: why stuck with discs? Many quality ripping programs are available.
Re:Ripping CDs as a space saver? (Score:2)
Yes, I could write a database program for the albums, but I don't feel like booting up my laptop every time I want to look for a song. As far as ripping my cds goes, I don't have the storage space for that. I keep a couple of gigs worth of music on the laptop for when I'm out and use the cds for the rest.
Re:Ripping CDs as a space saver? (Score:2)
Spindles are incredibly inefficient because you can't get to individual CDs easily. He says he has "countless" CDs and 400 DVDs. Since he bothered to count the DVDs, but the CDs are too many too count, let's assume he has at least 800 CDs. That's 8 100 CD spindles (or 16 50 CD spin
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Telecommuting? (Score:2)
Obviously... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Obviously... (Score:2)
And under it!
Or take the legs off, strap 'em underneath the top and put the whole shebang on its side against the wall, (or hang it and call it Art! Or Woody, or whatever...)
Now mod me funny for the punny, insightful for figuring out a functional way to get the table out of the way and informative for telling you how to do it...
(Or mod me down just for the hell of it - I don't care - I've got karma to burn - bwaahahhahha!
Hang you bicycles from the ceiling (Score:2)
Do you have a stool, or two or three step, step ladder? Then you could mount some shelves at that height.
recommendations (Score:2)
I have 3 recommendations:
-think vertical. i know IKEA has been recommended to death, but really, they are a good option there. Cheap stuff, modular, and most of their collections can give you storage units that are 7-8 feet tall. Besides, it all looks fine from 10 feet away.
-rent a storage unit. I rented a 10x19 for $75/month and I think of it as a second closet... that I have t
* RIAA ALERT * RIAA ALERT * (Score:2, Funny)
We're going to rip all of the CDs, for sure.
Shameless filthy hippy pirate detected. DEPLOY LAWYERBOTS.
Mr. Anonymous (if that's your real name), prepare to be sued. I'm sure our settlement proposal will help you decrease the number of possessions you have to deal with.
Mwah ha ha ha! EVIL PIRATE!
DVD Storage from Dollar Tree, Tall CD tower ,etc. (Score:2)
Don't buy those fancy grooved CD towers, get one that goes up six feet or more and only has rails and shelves to store all your music and installable medium (no wasted space, minimum footprint). You can get thin jewel cases for single disks and you can also find up to 4-CD standard size jewelcases for your multi-disk software sets.
Ceral boxes are great to store your comic
great space saving technology! (Score:2, Informative)
CDs, DVDs, and *shudder* tapes (Score:2)
For the tapes, I think the best thing to do would be to throw them out or convert them to DVD.
Follow the Japanese (Score:2)
Pack your bed inside your cupboard. At night, fold away your table and take out your blankets and put it in the middle of the floor. Then you can sleep on your floor (It helps if the floor is tatami).
There's a lot of benefits of such a system. For one, you keep both your table and your bed tidy. You can't use the other unless you've packed the current one away.
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Personally, I figure if I have that much stuff to sell or give away, I might as well get a bigger apartment, or
900 sq ft, in what configuration? (Score:2)
Part of it is thinking about things differently -- need books? Hit the library
What I can't understand is the 6x6 table -- 6x4, I can see
Keep the cds, use wall space (Score:2)
I'm biased against DVDs, but I'd still say lose them. How many times can you watch a DVD? How many times can you watch 1000 hours of DVDs? (the horror!)
I imagine you want the 6x6 table for projects or gamin
Basement ? Cellar ? (Score:2)
Few will let you pull your own cable or provide with cable from the start, so you'll probably need a wireless bridge.
There are also some other problems (dust, floods,
In any case, you don't want more than 1 disk in your PCs, there's not only space, but also noise consideration.
Re:Basement ? Cellar ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Basement ? Cellar ? (Score:2)
But, but that's my wine cellar!
be more efficient. (Score:2)
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Re:be more efficient. (Score:2)
We don't have earthquakes, The worst thing you get to see here is a "flood" after too much rain. Well, "flood" as in: you need to wear boots and get to pump the water out of your basement.
Jack up your bed (Score:2)
Media center (Score:2)
The right solution to me needs to allow me to easily rip and encode
You mentioned MythTV and said it wasn't quite right, but it actually does exactly what you say, and does it very well. Want to rip a DVD? Here's the process:
Re:Media center (Score:2)
is there a ways to do this and have the option of media extenders
What's a media extender?
also can myth tv up convert?
Up convert from what to what? Are you talking video? Audio? Compression formats?
Re:Media center (Score:2)
I'm talking about a thing that I can hook up to a tv that isn't a full computer that allows me to watch movies.
I have a small form-factor PC (Shuttle). That's a full computer, but it looks nice in the living room. Others have mythtv running on XBoxes and the like, but I think you're best off with a computer. As far as connecting it to a TV... you need a video card with outputs that your TV can handle.
I'm guessing that by "media extender" you mean one of those wireless systems where you can attach a
Lift the Bed, and constructive shelves (Score:4, Informative)
1. Lift the Bed on blocks as high as you dare go with it. My wife and I have two queens in our house One of which is an antique cast iron frame. That bed as a good 1.5 feet of clearance under it Alot of stuff fits in that space. (or at least when we had a 1200sft house it did, with nearly 4500sft including the garage and basement now under bed storage space isn't nearly so as important.) The other bed was once upon a time before I meet my wife the one I had in my 1000sft house, at one point I had a 2.5 foot lift goinf with that one practically needed a ladder to get into it. LOTs of storage space there.
2. Use all the typically wasted space. Get those wire (usually closet) shelf setups from Lowes run the around the top of the walls in whatever rooms you can stand them. They have a width thats perfect for CD's/DVD's/VHS (hint laying a strip of cardboard on then putting the objects on works best.) If you have the space do more than one row. That gets the media out of the way.
lose the table (Score:2)
I mean, it's a 6x6' table, plus you'll need to leave about 3' of freespace around the perimeter for people to get in and out of chairs, so you're talking about a 12x12'=144 sq ft chunk of space devoted to this table, or 16% of your total living space.
ClosetMaid? (Score:2)
If you need storage shelving in the closets, etc. ClosetMaid shelving is very lightweight, modular and flexible system that had for pretty cheap at most Lowes/HomeDepot type stores. A lot of it needs to be bolted into the walls with either stud screws or drywall fasteners, so check with your landlord first.
Priorities... (Score:3, Interesting)
Have you thought about keeping the old apartment (or getting a new one) with more space and not spending so much money on tech (ten 400GB hard drives?!) and other stuff (400DVDs?!).
rip lossless (Score:2)
I'm not married to flac, but just the convertability of the lossless codec is easily worth the hassle. Pick one, stick to it.
Media Center: Modified Xbox with XBMC (Score:2)
I'm sure there has to be some ripping software for a Mac as well... A friend of mine does his ripping on a Mac, and has mentioned a program called Mac the Ripper [versiontracker.com].
space saving tips (Score:2)
- get a bedframe with storage. i've seen bedframes that allows you to lift up the mattress for storage underneath, or bedframes with drawers (those are cheasy). i have a queen sized bed with boxes underneath.
- shelves. shelves for your everything. folders and files, to towels, books, etc.
- clean and organize! keep everything and everywhere clean and organized. pick up your clutter. learn to put things where they belong.
Magazine (Score:4, Informative)
As cheesy and ungeeky as it sounds, take a look at some home organizing magazines or walk around IKEA or Linens and Things or Bed Bath and Beyond or The Container Store, and you'll get ideas. There's no one list of things that can be done because everyone's space and everyone's stuff is different.
Re:Magazine (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, it doesn't make sense to rip DVDs to save space because they are already lossy -- ripping them to hard drive might make sense, although the drive might need to be quite big in order for the drive to take up less space than the DVDs would stacked on top of each other:-)
CDs, on the other hand, can be reduced 2:1 lossless and 10:1 without any perceptual loss, so it makes perfect sense to rip those to save space.
Stairs? (Score:2)
Re:Space Bags (Score:3, Informative)
Yes they do allow you to compress things and as a result save space. However...
Re:cram it all in using three dimensions (Score:2)
My father in law has a old Packard (an automobile make if you didn't know it) in his garage. It needs a little work to get it on the road. He's had it there since the mid 70s when I started dating the girl who became my wife. I take this on his word, because I've never seen it. His garage is so "efficiently" packed with boxes of stuff in just the manner you suggest.
The thing is, he never got
Re:cram it all in using three dimensions (Score:2)
Time to start working on him to re-write the will to make sure it specifically goes to you.
My two most memorable rides (automobile-wise) while hitch-hiking back in the early '70s were in a new Rolls-Royce and a '52 Packard Straight Eight. The Rolls was nice, but I still lust for that Packard.