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Options For a Laptop With a Broken Screen? 544

DefenseSupportParty writes "I recently traveled via an unnamed airline, and stupidly checked my laptop. Unfortunately, the screen broke in transit and they refuse to take responsibility for it, claiming that it could have been broken before the flight. I'm not really in the mood to replace the screen if I have to pay for it, as I have other laptops that I can use. At the same time, I don't want to waste computing power that could be put to good use. I've thought about the common stuff: file server, SETI@Home, but I'd like to do something a little more creative. Does anyone have good ideas for a relatively powerful laptop without a display?"
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:06PM (#27801855)

    Braille Quake is available for Windows & Linux.

    • Re:Braille Quake (Score:5, Informative)

      by Larryish ( 1215510 ) <> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @10:01PM (#27802625)
      With an external monitor, a keyboard and a USB mouse, you have the makings of a very small footprint desktop machine. Close the lid and put it under the monitor.
      • Re:Braille Quake (Score:5, Interesting)

        by SQLGuru ( 980662 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @10:21PM (#27802765) Journal

        My dad had an old laptop have the screen go out. It's now hooked to my TV to watch streaming Netflix / Hulu / etc.

        You could take the guts out and make some sort of robot brain out of it.

        Put it in an arcade cabinet and host MAME ROMs.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Larryish ( 1215510 )

          The MAME cabinet idea rocks.

          Got something like that in the works for my daughter. We have a bunch of Windows-98-era driving games, a spare 900 mhz eMachine with Win98 CD and a V3 racing wheel. Marry that to 2 sheets of plywood cut in the shape of a car and a few sticks of 2x4 and you have the makings of an arcade-style racing cabinet.

          With no Internet connectivity, the fact that it is Win98 does not pose much of a security risk.

          As an added bonus, we can then convert her main desktop machine to Linux. Right n

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Myopic ( 18616 )

          Yes, this is what I did. I had a 2002-vintage PowerBook, the model with those flimsy little hinges. I put that computer thru a lot of abuse, and eventually the hinges gave up the ghost.

          • I broke off the screen with brute force
          • Built the computer into a cabinet
          • Plugged it into a flatscreen TV
          • Got a BTC brand wireless media keyboard (built-in mouse)
          • Got an eyeTV
          • Got a RadioShark (don't use it much, but it's cool)
          • Installed Miro and Boxee, they both work great
          • Installed HandBrake and VLC for watching videos
          • Got inexpens
      • Re:Braille Quake (Score:4, Informative)

        by retchdog ( 1319261 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @03:24PM (#27808307) Journal

        Some laptops aren't designed to run with the lid closed. I burned out two (used) Thinkpad 600s this way (you can disable the auto-suspend but I later learned you really aren't supposed to :-/). It's probably different nowadays; the firmware will shut the machine down before damage occurs.

        Still, if you've given up hope on fixing the lcd anyway, think about just disconnecting/severing the display cabling and sawing off the lid. It'll make the machine even lighter and thinner, and more convenient to use as long as you don't stack anything on it (which is not a good idea anyway).

  • Oblig. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Jamamala ( 983884 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:07PM (#27801863)
    How about you take a few more flights and then set up a beowulf cluster?
  • PQ (Score:5, Funny)

    by Brian Gordon ( 987471 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:08PM (#27801873)
    Run 10,000 instances of progress quest [].
  • Set-top-box (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Swizec ( 978239 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:08PM (#27801875) Homepage
    1) plug it into a television
    2) add IR
    3) add connection to file server with videos 4) ???
    5) entertainment
    • Good idea. Especially if the laptop already has IR - some of the nicer media laptops do.

    • Re:Set-top-box (Score:5, Insightful)

      by BobPaul ( 710574 ) * on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:02PM (#27802305) Journal

      Most laptops already have IRDA built in. I'm not sure why exactly, but it seems almost ubiquitous. There are USB TV tuners that are supported by linux. These usually do MP4 encoding on device to keep the USB bandwidth down, so should be excellent for MythTV, even if the laptop isn't the most powerful.

      • Re:Set-top-box (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Lord Byron II ( 671689 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:28PM (#27802431)

        Interesting, that's the exact opposite of my experience. The last laptop I saw with IRDA was one I bought in 1996.

        Care to mention any models that do include IR?

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        IRDA and remote controllers work differently. I wanted to use my laptop's IRDA for the remote controller only to find out that it is not possible. IRDA's that support remote controllers are rare IIRC.

    • Dash-top-box (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cgenman ( 325138 )

      Attach an LED readout screen, and create an MP3 server for your car.

  • You can (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:09PM (#27801879)
    Buy a cheap external monitor.
  • Checked it? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:09PM (#27801883)
    How about setting it up a a monument to your carefree lifestyle? I mean, really, who on earth checks laptops?
    • Re:Checked it? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by carlzum ( 832868 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:31PM (#27802467)
      Yeah, most airlines don't assume liability for electronic equipment, but that really irks me. Carry-on requirements are getting so restrictive I've started checking bags regularly (often paying for even one bag), something I thought I'd never do. With PSPs, iPods, etc. I don't need my laptop on the plane, and it takes up a significant amount of my shrinking carry-on space. And what if I need to bring a projector or camera lens? The airlines basically force you to check your bag, pay extra for it, and reserve the right to destroy the contents without compensation.

      Travel insurance has become a much greater value as airlines cut back. For 5%-10% of the cost of your trip you'll get protection for valuables, medical expenses, and cancellation/delay coverage. Shop around for a reputable company [], but most travel experts strongly recommend insurance for any trip.

      • by btempleton ( 149110 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:26AM (#27803483) Homepage

        It should be impossible, in theory, and usually in practice, for insurance to be a good value for anybody who flies with any frequency. Insurance companies make profits, after all. They probably pay out half of what they take in, if that.

        Insurance is only for risks where you can't handle the cost of the risk. For example, financially you could not handle replacing your house, so fire insurance makes sense. Life insurance can make sense to look after a family. Health insurance to cover a $300,000 operation can make sense, while dental or optical plans make little sense. Extended warranties (which are just insurance) make no sense and are very high margin because of that. Which is why they push them on you.

        For anything small, it is far better to self-insure. That's a mathematical certainty.

        Now there are two exceptions. One, if you know you are taking a risk that is far above average, and the insurance company hasn't figured out to charge you more or block you, insurance can be a value. Secondly, with medical insurance, you may find you don't want to have to consider cost when making medical decisions, you just want it covered. (Of course now an insurance company will be weighing cost as it decides if you are covered.)

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by wbean ( 222522 )

      I do. I don't want it on the plane and it weighs enough to be a nuisance. I pack it in the middle of the suitcase, protected by clothes and, so far, haven't had any trouble. Any data that I'd worry about is encrypted and the laptop is an old, slow, one that I use just for travel. Someday, I suppose it will be stolen or broken. Until then, I'm more than happy not to be lugging it around and putting it in a separate tray for security.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        I do. I don't want it on the plane and it weighs enough to be a nuisance. I pack it in the middle of the suitcase, protected by clothes and, so far, haven't had any trouble. Any data that I'd worry about is encrypted and the laptop is an old, slow, one that I use just for travel. Someday, I suppose it will be stolen or broken. Until then, I'm more than happy not to be lugging it around and putting it in a separate tray for securit

        Taking a calculated risk and appropriate precautions is one thing. Checking

  • Donate it? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Z80xxc! ( 1111479 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:10PM (#27801891)
    If you don't need the laptop, and the screen is relatively easy and inexpensive to replace, and the laptop has decent specs, why not fix the screen and sell it to someone who needs a laptop for just the cost of the screen replacement? You don't need it, they do, it's a (presumably) decent laptop. Everybody wins, and they might bake you a pie or something someday in return.
  • Server (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sheetzam ( 454981 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:10PM (#27801893) Homepage

    Built in UPS, plenty of computing power as you say.
    Best use I can think of is as a server - web, mail, mysql, whathaveyou. Wear and tear on the hard drive not an issue if you're using something set up correctly - the hard drive will be spun down most of the time.

  • Ebay (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mikesd81 ( 518581 ) <> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:11PM (#27801895) Homepage
    See if you can find a cheap screen replacement on Ebay.
  • MythTV (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:12PM (#27801913)
    Hook it up in your network as a MythTV. I don't think you need an attached display to use it; if you do, use an old external monitor.
  • Why not take it to small claims court? They broke your laptop, they should fix it.

    • Re:Sue them? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Cramer ( 69040 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:24PM (#27802037) Homepage

      Read the fine print. The airline is not responsible for the damage. Do. Not. Check. Laptops. Carry it with you at all times. Common luggage offers little if any protection for a laptop. Have you ever watched how the baggage handlers "handle" luggage?

      What? He doesn't have any form of insurance of his own? The cost of a screen is substantially cheaper than the cost of a new laptop. (unless it's an old and/or crappy laptop.)

      • Re:Sue them? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by x2A ( 858210 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:37PM (#27802131)

        "The cost of a screen is substantially cheaper than the cost of a new laptop"

        Depends on the laptop model. I broke my laptop screen a couple years back. It's a 2003 dell model (D505) that's crucial for my work, but couldn't afford laptop replacement. New screen set me back around £50-60 (~US$80). I fit it myself (was rather simple to)... and now it's continuing to serve me well. But, that particular model did sell rather well, and many neighbouring models (such as D510 I believe) used the same screen, so it a very common, easy to find part. As for Unbranded Model(tm)... that might not be so cheap.

      • Re:Sue them? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Hurricane78 ( 562437 ) <deleted.slashdot@org> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:40PM (#27802157)

        The fine print is NOT the law. Them stating arbitrary things in some fine print does not make it somehow ok.

        What if they started to shred everything you check-in, and then pump the pulver in the plane. On check-out you would get a bag of that stuff with the same weight.
        Then the airline would state that it were a big accident.

        Do you really think that would bail them out?

        This is the same principle. They break it, they fix it. A fine print is only a rule, if all parties obey it.

        I know that here in Germany, there are many things you can state in the terms and conditions fine-print, but that have absolutely no meaning. You can even get sued for stating some especially evil things in there.

      • Re:Sue them? (Score:5, Informative)

        by stephanruby ( 542433 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:22PM (#27802399)

        Read the fine print. The airline is not responsible for the damage.

        I agree about not checking in laptops. That was a stupid thing to do. However, do not ever assume that the airline is not liable. So do read those fine prints, but also do not rely on your memory. Here are the links to the "conditions of carriage" or "contract of carriage" for a number of airlines. []

        And also know your rights, in the US you can try to recover up to $1,250 for lost/delayed/damaged luggage (unless you're on an international flight, which has its own limits governed by international treaties). []

        Also if you travelled with British Airways, see if that class action lawsuit against British Airways is still going on. And on that topic of class action lawsuits, I agree that small claims court (depending on your State) is probably the most efficient way to recover your money after you've exhausted the airlines claims and claims appeals process, but it pays to use the word "class action lawsuit" in your legal threats. Most corporate lawyers know that threats of a class action lawsuit from a lay people are almost always empty threats, but no corporate lawyer wants to have a class action lawsuit come to him on his watch especially if it was so easily avoidable in the first place.

        What? He doesn't have any form of insurance of his own?

        Well he could also have purchased additional insurance for a premium, or insurance for excess valuation, at the ticket counter as well, but airlines are also notorious for trying not to pay out on those as well. And as to the other types of insurances, the ones with your credit card, travel insurance, etc, he should check out if he has any there as well, but hindsight being 20/20 -- I doubt he would be asking us this question if he did.

    • Most screens will run $100, and while laptops aren't made to be "easy" to repair, You'd be replacing the entire screen, which is just popping the case open and unscrewing a few things.

      I've replaced the backlight on my laptop's screen (a much harder task!), so this ought to be gravy for you, and cheaper than repairing it otherwise.

    • Re:Fix it yourself. (Score:5, Informative)

      by ChinggisK ( 1133009 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:08PM (#27802325)
      This. Do it yourself. Dell wanted to charge my girlfriend (ya ya ya peanut gallery) $350 to fix the screen for her laptop. I bought one online for $80 and fixed it myself with a set of screwdrivers and 20 minutes (and a little tiny bit of duct tape because they had a stupid little chip on the bottom whose screws didn't line up exactly right with the new screen). As for where to get the screen, I recommend Screen Country- they seemed to be the cheapest when I was looking, and so far the screen seems to work fine (2 months in now) - []

      They even have a warranty on them I think.
  • by grege1 ( 1065244 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:14PM (#27801933)
    Buy a usb keyboard and mouse and a 19" external monitor. Set the power saving to just turn off the screen when you shut the lid, not go into standby. Instant energy efficient desktop computer. What you do with that is the same questin of what you do with any surplus computer.
    • by rantingkitten ( 938138 ) <(kitten) (at) (> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:17PM (#27802365) Homepage
      Laptops also make great little servers (for non corporate applications of course!), when you think about it -- low power, no extra cooling needed, and built-in UPS. I have a Dell 1.4ghz P4 laptop with a screen that was too flaky to use, so it just sits quietly on the corner of my desk with the lid closed, running Debian, and is my development/test webserver, mailserver, screened IRC session, nagios monitoring, file server, ftp drop for friends to send me stuff, ssh gateway to the rest of my home network, and a few other random little things as needed. Hardly creative, I admit, but it's always been useful. I only needed to plug in an external monitor once, for the initial installation.
  • by jonaskoelker ( 922170 ) <> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:14PM (#27801943)

    You may already be set up the way you like, but I'm not and others might also not be, so here goes:

    Use it as a media center. That is, connect it to your TV and sound system, and have it play video and music from wherever you got it (sshfs/NAS, w/e).

    For that, you want something which can start and stop (suspend/resume) quickly. You'll probably also want to connect a wiimote, so that bluetooth chip on your wifi NIC is going to come in handy. Saving yourself from running more cables (wifi) probably isn't going to hurt either.

    Why fix the screen when you can replace it with a bigger and better one? :)

  • Hook up a display? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AlXtreme ( 223728 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:17PM (#27801969) Homepage Journal

    Does anyone have good ideas for a relatively powerful laptop without a display?

    Simply hook up a monitor and you have a energy-efficient and quiet desktop. For fun, strap the laptop to the back of the monitor.

    With older laptops you could fool around with those mini-LCD screens, use them for displaying the weather for instance. But as you mention it's a powerful laptop, so it would probably make a decent desktop.

  • by nweaver ( 113078 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:17PM (#27801971) Homepage

    Use self-powered USB drives, and have this be your server. Yes, its boring, but that way its a server with a built-in UPS!

  • by sustik ( 90111 )

    Use it as an HTPC in a streaming mythfrontend/mythbackend setup.

  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:21PM (#27802009) Homepage

    Quite often, the parts you need are available on eBay especially if you use a Dell. (Availability of parts is the #1 reason I recommend Dell, not because they are "better." The #2 reason is because new Dell laptops almost always have accidental damage coverage available as a purchase option in the warranty... accidents happen, BUY IT! By the way, Apple computer does NOT sell accidental damage warranty coverage. If you buy an Apple, make sure you get it through a 3rd party vendor that does offer it or never buy Apple laptops...they are too expensive for accidents.)

    The position of the airlines is 100% correct. There should be a certain level of abuse that passengers should absolutely expect. If you don't expect it, then you are an idiot and need to learn the hard way. CARRY ON anything you believe to be valuable and/or breakable.

  • by 3seas ( 184403 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:22PM (#27802011) Homepage Journal

    I used one to teach myself AutoCAD on.

    Was a bench carpenter for 27 years and decided I was getting to old for the sawdust.
    A co-worker had given me a busted lap top and and so I got a monitor I'd leave at the shop with my toolbox but would take the half-lap-top home with me.
    I'd study Autocad during lunch...

    Now I work in the cad deparment programming CNC routers and doing construction drawings for some stuff some may thing is cool.

    Infinite Dimensions []

    So there is certainly a place for half-lap-tops... especially with the low cost flat screen today.

  • DefenseSupportParty...checks in laptop on the plane....have you guys been using the Qantas lounge computers [] again?
  • Carputer (Score:5, Interesting)

    by f1vlad ( 1253784 ) * Works for Slashdot on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:34PM (#27802103) Homepage Journal
    How about you setup this laptop in a trunk of your car and run some wires to the dash. Instead of radio deck, you could put touch screen and have a thing called "carputer". You can find more info here: [].
  • Play area... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by robateastridge ( 50501 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:36PM (#27802123) Homepage

    I did the same thing with a laptop several years ago. I ended up putting Ubuntu on it and used it as a server for a few websites (Plone/Zope, MRTG, NTP, DNS/DHCP) and some other things at home. Works well, is quiet and tucks away nicely.

    Alternately, I hear that vSphere will have better hardware compability/support, so you might be able to fit v4 on it and run several VMs of your choice.

  • get creative (Score:3, Interesting)

    by spywhere ( 824072 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:38PM (#27802141)
    Build a floor stand with an arm for a VESA-mount flat-panel monitor. (I've seen great articulating mounts for $50 at BJ's and Costco). Clamp the laptop to the stand near the bottom as part of the counterweights, and add a wireless keyboard & mouse combo.

    The result: a computer that sits next to a recliner.

    If you don't want it when you're done, take it to the nearest senior center or retirement home and plug it in there...
  • In the US, HD cable providers are required by the FCC to give you a receiver with firewire output if you ask. You may have all the hardware you need for mythTV, without even buying a tuner card.

  • Why unnamed? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by shentino ( 1139071 ) <> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:42PM (#27802169)

    If you let the world know the name of the airline that ripped you off, could we not boycott them?

    I'm sure damaging a customer's gear and then refusing to pay for the damage will look REAL good for PR...

    So why not complain?

    Are you a sheep?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by shentino ( 1139071 )

      To whoever modded me flamebait:

      This sort of behavior is inexcusable for an airline and in my opinion it should not be tolerated.

  • by Jawbreaker4Fs ( 974108 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:43PM (#27802177)
    That's what you get for traveling on an unnamed airline.
  • by Legion303 ( 97901 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @08:53PM (#27802247) Homepage

    If you don't have the imagination to figure this one out, send it to me and I'll do the thinking.

  • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Upgrade! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by LtBombb ( 987083 )
    Take advantage of the situation. Install a touchscreen.
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:10PM (#27802339)
    Will it blend?
  • Blind (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Give it to a blind person in need of a laptop - perhaps to a charity that works with the blind.

  • Carputer... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Glove d'OJ ( 227281 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:18PM (#27802371) Homepage

    Why not install a touchscreen 7" monitor in your dash, and have a carputer? Mount the reasonably powerful laptop w/broken screen in the trunk, wire it in to a power supply, attach a USB GPS antenna, and go from the audio out to the amp / speakers?

    All the MP3s you can store, instant access to the OBD-II information, "free" GPS, and (with Backtrack III or the like), war-driving capability. Have it get email from your wireless access point and read it to you on the way to work. Keep a copy of the local yellow pages on the drive, and look up the nearest Cuban restaurant.

    There are a lot of great "front ends" out there, and most all of them are skinnable to your heart's content.

    Hope that this helps / is something in which you might have interest. []

  • by greentshirt ( 1308037 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @09:56PM (#27802583)

    Oh what's that? This has already been suggested six hundred and seventy four times, basically at a frequency of every 5th post?


    Well I don't care I'm posting it anyways, what good is the internet if I can't chime in about something?

  • by upuv ( 1201447 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @10:16PM (#27802729) Journal

    Rip the key board out mount the key board in some sort tin contraption. Now mount the keyboard and laptop in the tin contraption on the wall outside of the house/unit/apt/country lane.

    Then put up a sign.
    "Please enter the 64char apt code then hit enter. To gain entry or ring tenant".

    Now load the laptop up with every annoying you got the answer wrong game show sound. Just randomly play one of the files, when ever someone hits a key other than say "+". Where "+" actually rings you and lets you know someone is at the door. :)

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Voyager529 ( 1363959 )
      The only people who will successfully ring the bell with the + sign will be the RIAA. They will discover that it is the + sign key by pressing every button on the apparatus and make a note of each sound used, suing him for $150,000 in damages per sound used.
  • by wintermute000 ( 928348 ) <`ua.moc.sserpxetenalp' `ta' `redneb'> on Saturday May 02, 2009 @10:23PM (#27802777)

    Discarded laptops are perfect for all in one home server. Most real servers are overpowered for home use including silly electricity bill, heck most recent spec desktops are overpowered. Laptop esp. no screen = low power, quiet, small.

    I have a full LAMP stack running ampache (streaming mp3s from my home archive to any web browser), torrentflux-b4rt (headless torrents and usenet), DLNA media server (like itunes) and steam left4dead game server running 24/7 no issues on an IBM T41 (Pentium M 1.6, 512M RAM) so your recent spec laptop should blaze.

    Heck stick an external USB drive onto it and you also have a NAS solution. I have NAS so thats redundant (and incidentally the linux solution works well with the NAS, point everything at the mounted share, esp. if the NAS supports NFS though samba works fine for the above applications).

    I have colleagues who go down the windows home server route and they swear by it as well.

  • by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @01:56AM (#27803909)
    Obviously you can convert it into a desktop by plugging in an external monitor...


    ...Let's get this straight. The airline contends that you bought a ticket on them in order to check a broken laptop through normal baggage handling (you wouldn't be taking it to use on your trip if you knew it was broken ahead of time) just so that you could get your laptop repaired for the cost of a plane ticket and your time. And you're letting them get away with this garbage? You must be new to life overall.

    Here's the rub. TSA opens and checks most bags. They check for bombs that might look like...oh...say...laptop computers. So they make you show that your computer actually operates like a computer.

    They open your bag and your laptop either operates perfectly, or they don't let it on the plane and probably question, if not arrest, you. Really good chance that your laptop operated just fine when they inspected it. So what happened?

    Option 1: TSA broke it while "inspecting" it. Real good chance there since they had it out and were handling it. But because they broke it themselves they put it back in and shipped it along so as not to have it be their problem.

    Option 2: It was broken after the TSA inspection and before you picked it up again.

    Option 3: There is no option three. It was broken during the baggage handling, the airline didn't tell you not to put laptops in your luggage because they get broken all the time, and now they don't want to pay for it.

    You've already shown yourself to be stupid twice now. Once when you checked your laptop, and the second time when you let the airline bluff you out of what you're due for their damage of your equipment. Do you really want to go for three?

1 1 was a race-horse, 2 2 was 1 2. When 1 1 1 1 race, 2 2 1 1 2.