


Customer Resource Management For Non-Profits? 186
NoTerminal writes "My 60-person non-profit organization is looking for a tool or set of tools to keep track of our donors and contacts. A perfect solution will either replace or gracefully synchronize with Outlook's contacts module, as well as provide a powerful back-end that can handle donation tracking, grant reporting, and interaction tracking. What contact management system or customer relations management package is your non-profit using? How do you like it?"
Blackbaud Products (Score:2, Informative)
Specifically the Raiser's Edge. Seems to do most of what you need.
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I hope you have a lot of donors, because you'll need every one to pay for Raiser's Edge.
Use Salesforce.com (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm sure they've done this exact same thing on more than one occasion. You can probably get the foundation arm to give you the software for free.
http://www.salesforce.com/foundation
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salesforce.com (Score:1, Informative)
salesforce provides free service to registered nonprofits. as you probably know, salesforce is an incredibly robust and extensible CRM system. it can be tweaked pretty easily. if anything, it might be too heavyweight. but it will certainly get the job done.
Re:salesforce.com (Score:4, Informative)
Yep. I work for a chain of not for profit hospitals and I know the folks who handle donor contributions use salesforce.com. Have been for years. Do not know what they like / dislike about it. But the years of use doe's say something. The only thing is it can be bandwidth intensive on your internet pipe.
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Anonymity doesn't make you tougher, anon-tard.
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SAP, obviously... (Score:1, Funny)
It will even track your waste management.
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Budget makes a big difference... (Score:3, Informative)
I am not sure how big your budget is, but I've heard nothing but good things about Tessitura:
http://www.tessituranetwork.com/Products.aspx [tessituranetwork.com]
There is also Raiser's Edge - but their product (in my opinion) feels like it was put together by a programmer (i.e. - written to bad specs by someone whose job isn't fundraising), not by a user - and thus has lots of quirks that make it not as useful as it should be...
http://www.blackbaud.com/products/fundraising/raisersedge.aspx [blackbaud.com]
Re:Budget makes a big difference... (Score:4, Funny)
Just kidding, hehehe....
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That's funny but it made me wonder how many things written by users to make their life easier/better that were then open sourced, ended up as projects, and are now used by a lot of people. The Linux kernel is one.
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I think the poster is looking at actual CRM packages for non-profits, which is pretty much limited to:
-Convio (custom with salesforce hooks)
-Salesforce (donated version with non-profit template)
-Civicrm (with drupal/joomla/standalone)
-DemocracyinAction
Democracy in action is the simplest for supporting advocacy and development. Civicrm does easy event management and donations but requires a programmer/consultant for most other things, Convio I haven't used, and Salesforce will do anything if you are willin
Re:Budget makes a big difference... (Score:4, Informative)
One of 'my' non-profits (~200mbrs) uses the software 'Donation' (softwarefornonprofits.com) but most of the users complain about the interface, and there are some problems keeping things in sync.
So, since the website is running Drupal, I'm looking at civicrm as a way to incorporate a back-end. I like the idea of controlling backups remotely and things staying in sync. Not sure about methods of producing tax receipts, or its reliability as a data source for accounting software.
Another possibility we were considering is eBase, a free FileMaker based CRM system for non-profits. I like the filemaker design environment for quick user interfaces, and custom reports etc. It's easy to teach a moderately skilled computer user to administer. But, eBase uses an antiquated file format, not even sure where to get FM v.5. Waiting on an update.
Another non-profit I'm in the middle of setting up plans on having a much larger membership base, with many layers of privilege, and will center on a media-rich website, so we'll probably try CiviCRM.
Re:Budget makes a big difference... (Score:5, Informative)
I've worked with a number of non-profit's as an IT-Consultant who are small enough that I *am* the IT-department. Some have used in house spreadsheets and file-maker databases, but both Tessitura and Raisers Edge are the two big products that I've seen and worked with. Both do what a non-profit needs to do. But, it's all about your budget.
Currently, I have one non-profit who is splitting Tessitura between 2 other non-profits. Cost sharing it makes it something reasonable for all three. It's hosted at a central site for them and there's someone in charge of all three data sets. It's something I'd suggest considering if you are really interested in one of the better products.
Good luck!
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I don't really care about how a database looks. I care about how a database functions. Tessitura is well thought-out as far as making the product useful to the non-profit. RE seems to go out of its way to make the non-profit do more work / buy more modules. (Have you ever tried to invite a couple to an event? There is no easy way to add a spouse after adding the main contact. Simple little thing, but it means a lot of time from someone who more than likely doesn't have any, as non-profit staff tends to wear
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I'm honestly not sure how much I can say without violating NDA, but from an IT standpoint, it's pretty straightforward if you have IT staff. If you don't, then you should look into some sort of sharing/hosting arrangement.
I'm not sure how it would work if you were a social agency, though. Tessitura shines with it's
Raisers Edge (Score:5, Informative)
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There are some quirks in the software in the technical sense. My end users love the program and couldn't live without it. As an IT guy, I'm disappointed by their import functionality. It seems to be very quirky and rigid. It is very hard to import new, "complex" records. For example I'm having a difficulty right now creating a large number of new organizations, creating constituent records associated with those organizations, and also associating specific information with the constituent records (phone
Raisers Edge (Score:4, Insightful)
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Just say no, to SalesforceCRM (Score:1)
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Their data export feature is amazingly primitive as well.
I'm not sure what you mean here. You can export all of the data from any Salesforce object to csv. From there you can do whatever you want with the data. If you wanted a list of accounts and their contacts, you could create a simple report (or use one of the built in reports) and export to Excel or csv. What else do you need?
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Use outlook forms (Score:1)
I mean really, use the tool you have.
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Raiser's Edge if you've got money, or Orange Leap (Score:3, Informative)
It's not cheap by any stretch.
If you want cheap then Orange Leap [orangeleap.com] has an open source "Community Edition" of their CRM that comes with no support.
Compare Raisers Edge vs Drupal + CiviCRM ? (Score:3, Insightful)
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What we use (Score:2)
Seriously, in my experience, any nonprofit would be further ahead to use web-based systems hosted not on someone's personal pc. You will always have people coming and going, so you will need to be able to smoothly transition data into the hands of whomever is at the helm. Beware people who don't want things to go onto the web - they're usually information hoarders and don't share (but you will probably have other problems with them before you get to
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Or they've been burnt by spotty web access too many times.
Or they do not like the slowness of web systems (This is crucial to me. I hate working on intranets because everything is so damn slow -- though this maybe is due to poor setups, it's been common to the three ERP systems I've worked on, and the four non-ERP i
Donor Management Platform (Score:1)
Hosted Microsoft CRM (Score:2, Informative)
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Having set up and administered a Dynamics CRM server, I think that's the last thing they want to do. The software might be cheap, the time to have someone unfamiliar with it set it up will likely be very, very costly.
Sounds like... (Score:2)
ADempiere (Score:1)
If you are up for doing some customizations, I would suggest using ADempiere. It is very robust and can be made to do just about anything. The nice thing about it is that when you are done, it becomes an asset for you, not an expense. (Speaking about the balance sheet.) It also can do quite a bit in scaling up to help with other business processes.
Sugar sugar (Score:3, Informative)
Just sugarcrm.
Its direct, integrates well with excel and outlook. I mean, im baffled that very few mentioned it here.
Sugar is the way to go.
I have to suffer salesforce and, FOR OUR NEEDS, it sucks infront of sugar. And thats that.
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Mod parent up. Sugar has lots of deployment options to reflect different budgets and hosting scenarios.
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Sugar CRM is free so it is worth trying.
If you don't have a spare box to set it up on VurtualBox+Linux+Sugar it a free test system.
For Linux distro tor run it on I would suggest CentOS or Ubuntu Server. To many people use Fedora or Ubuntu for stuff like this. The server distros have a much longer support life so you get the security updates without the hassle of doing a version update.
Oh and Webmin makes linux pretty easy to admin.
Convio (Score:1)
I have a good friend that went to work for Convio (www.convio.com). From what I understand, they specialize in CRM for non-profits.
Salesforce.com (Score:3, Informative)
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TechSoup,org (Score:1)
I have no experience with any of the Blackbaud products but it looks like they has something from them.
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OpenERP (Score:2, Informative)
OpenERP (http://openerp.com/) has an integrated CRM. I've had great success with this project and the database is completely accessible via XML-RPC if you need custom functions. I've also used SugarCRM, but am not nearly so enamored with that project.
NGO-in-a-Box (Score:3, Informative)
Organizers Database (Score:1)
CiviCRM (Score:1)
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nten- tech 4 nonprofits is ur best research star (Score:2, Informative)
My Job. (Score:5, Informative)
1. Raiser's Edge is a nice product with relatively easy entry, but its REALLY tough to master, and, as is true with most systems I've worked with, reporting is still more an art than a science. It's expensive, support is expensive, maintenance is expensive.
2. Salesforce is our preferred platform at the moment. Low barrier to entry (10 seat license for free for 501c(3)), alot of training available free of charge, and with some tweaking, a good non-profit overlay for it's sales-centric backend. Their current NP Template is severely lacking (we have our own package we use) although they've got some momentum behind it lately, and I expect it to improve dramatically over the next few releases. We do alot of customization work on this platform, and its pretty flexible, nice API, great plug-in for Eclipse and the OO language (Apex) they use for the API layer is derived from Java. I wasn't sold at first, but its really grown on me as a platform. Reporting can still be rough though.
3. Filemaker/eBase Not worth your time, money, or frustration.
4. SugarCRM has been getting some mention in the community lately, and in my experience, may be a viable alternative, but I haven't had enough time to play with it.
5. Custom solutions are always pricey, but you should (theoretically) get what you want. MS Access (please no), SQL Server, whatever the opensource flavor of the week is- if you have a really odd-duck funding or business model, it might be worth a look.
The only reason I wouldn't recommend SF outright to you is that it's a bit finicky to setup the Outlook connector, I can't speak for the others around Outlook connectivity. OTOH, what is your CRM DB doing trying to replace your email system in the first place?
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I also do extensive technical support for a not-for-profit. We recently switched most of our communication including mail, documents, calendar, and other communications and a significant part of our web presence to the Google Apps for Domain suite. We are really happy with this solution and are saving a ton of money. As a 501(c)(3), we are eligible for and have received this at no cost.
In terms of CRM, we see that Salesforce has what appears to be extremely good integration with Google Apps. We haven't t
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My nonprofit is an accrediting association. We don't have to keep track of donors and grants, but we do have to track our member institutions and all of the reporting that they do. Our current database is the most user-unfriendly, arcane, bizarre piece of shit software I have ever seen. Seriously, this database is worse than IE.
We've gotten quotes from a couple private developers on custom-made solutions, but they have all been prohibitively expensive, and several of our sister organizations have recently
Aptify (Score:2)
I am not recommending it but you may want to take a look at it.
It's huge, heavy, slow (vb.net) but it seems to get the job done.
Generic advice (Score:2)
It sounds like you have a good idea of what you want to do. That's great because most CRM implementations seems to die because they don't nail down the requirements of what they're trying to do very well.
Anyway, I would recommend the Raisers Edge product only because anything else you buy might require extensive customization. Ultimately, in the end it's that kind of implementation that will kill you. For example, MS CRM is actually pretty good, but it's too generic out of the box for what you need.
Drupal + CiviCRM? (Score:4, Informative)
How about Drupal + this module: http://drupal.org/project/civicrm [drupal.org]
Highrise, from 37signals (Score:1)
funding of non-profits (Score:2)
I left with some perspectives. Some broad ones were:
- When managers apply for funding for projects, success is often based on the political points attached to the project.
- Funding for cars for managers were approached with diligance while other applications stalled.
- Managers use staff and volunteer time to promote the visibility of th
Give Metrix a try (Score:2)
I was in the non-profit space about a year ago, and we were thinking of trying out "Metrix" http://metrix.fcny.org/index.html [fcny.org] . Developed by/for the Fund for the City of New York, it's a contact management / funding/donor tracking system built on top of MS Access, with integration into excel and word (mail merges). Since it builds on top of MS Office suite (ie word, outlook, excel, access, along with the free ms sql product), which most non-profits need to get licenses for anyways, it's a good fit if you're
Donor Perfect (Score:3, Informative)
Check out Donor Perfect, which for a very small organization can be licensed for like $50. It's amazingly powerful for such a small price.
For larger organizations, the price goes up. It does everything you're asking for, except (perhaps) the Outlook sync. I don't know if it does that.
And although I hate Intuit, check out Quickbooks for Non-Profits. The only reason I'm suggesting this is because love-them-or-hate-them, Quickbooks is the defacto account software for small organizations and their non-profit module ain't bad. Plus, if you're outsourcing your accounting, they'll appreciate that you're on QB.
Quick summary -- (Score:3, Insightful)
Targeted, high priced systems
Things like Blackbaud's Raiser's Edge have been around for years, are very full featured, and are often expensive. They run locally on Oracle or SQLServer (maybe others?) They make most of their money off of extensions, upgrades, and service contracts, so be aware that it's going to be well into the 6 figures before your done with them. Same downsides as other locally installed database systems (upgrades, etc).
Targeted, Locally installable
A number of products in the past 15 years have come out for non-profits to download, install locally, and use. Of note, eBase (based on FilemakerPro), and a few others. Recent ones are CiviCRM, and the downloadable SugarCRM. The biggest challenge with these is that you need a geek to install them (yes, you really do), AND a geek to upgrade it three years down the road after your last geek left. Upgrades generally make that harder. These are often free to obtain, but you need to pay someone to install them successfully, or pray that you can find volunteers who know what a command prompt is.
Targeted SaaS systems
More recently SaaS systems dedicated to the nonprofit and organizing community have started to become the norm. Generally cheaper in the end (as are most SaaS systems), most large and midsize groups are moving this way. Of note: DemocracyInAction, running on the Salsa platform -- ~$100/month +, depending on which pieces you want (I'm associated with DIA) Convio: Higher priced, but similar -- starts around $2,000/month Blackbaud new offering: Word is that Blackbaud has something else coming out, but the price will likely be along the same lines as their Raiser's Edge product
Non targeted SaaS systems
Some larger companies (Salesforce, Microsoft, etc) have a version of their software targeted at nonprofits. While capable of some basics, for real organizing and donor management they fall short, unless you pay for a significantly customized version of them. You get the advantage of a big name, but sacrifice lots of useful features. Prices vary -- usually depends on how much customization you want, and if you can find an implementor.
CiviCRM (Score:3, Informative)
Try CiviCRM, http://civicrm.org./ [civicrm.org.] It's AGPL, good community, great devs. We've implemented it for a few medium-large organisations and it works nicely.
Not sure it integrates with Outlook, but mailing contacts can be done directly from the software (so that it appears in the history of that contact). Allows to receive donations, event registration, grant management, case management, mail blasts, etc. If you have a large member community and website, it can integrate with Drupal and Joomla. For example, we often integrate it with Organic Groups, or grant special Drupal roles depending on the membership.
good question; FSF is also looking (Score:2)
The FSF is also looking [fsf.org] for such a system (as long as it's Free Software [gnu.org]). I don't know if Affero GPL is required, although it is probably preferred.
This excludes anything Outlook-touching, so that's an area of non-overlap. Solution is to wean the org off Outlook, if necessary. Not easy for some.
What's on TechSoup? (Score:2)
i wrote a customized solution for my church (Score:2)
2 years ago, someone at my church's office asked me if i could write an app that would help them manage donors for their capital campaign. they had researched commercially available options and found they did about 90% (or less) of what they wanted. they were willing to spend a little $ to get that last 10%.
the solution i wrote runs in a browser, uses postgres as the backend, and has features like email reminders, generates pdfs for mailings, and even allows the administrator to link donors based on their
RightNow CRM (Score:2)
+1 on SugarCRM (Score:2)
Get a cheap Fedora or Centos box, download SugarCRM v 5.x, and go to town. Salesforce has per-user fees, while SugarCRM does not; it also has a robust community for support and customizing.
It runs using all free software - LAMP stack.
Z2 Systems (Score:2)
It's a small startup with a growing customer base. The company targets small-to-mid-sized nonprofits.
Even though I no longer work there and do not get any kickbacks, tell 'em Grant sent you.
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ARG! NO! FileMaker is the Bain of my existence... I am constantly trying to get people off of FileMaker and it keeps popping back up like a bad weed. Run away!
(Sorry - it might be better in its latest version, but all my experience has been corrupt data that is hard to make useful to other systems.)
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You can always use Filemaker as a client to an external data source via ODBC.
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Re:Customer Resource Management For Non-Profits? (Score:5, Insightful)
If you are working for a non profit how do you have customers? Why not get a real job and [produce some worthless product that nobody needs] instead of [offering to help out those in need and asking little in return]? Just askin.
Fixed that for you.
Re:Customer Resource Management For Non-Profits? (Score:5, Insightful)
This particular troll apparently has no idea of what non-profits do or what they do for people at large. Go ahead, pick something that you might care about...I bet there's a non-profit (probably several) that either helps or advocates on your behalf. Let's try this game, shall we?
Emergency relief? How about the Red Cross for one?
Health issues? Too many to mention.
How about the military? Adopt a Platoon. Paralyzed Veterans of American...many many more.
Firefighters and Police? You bet they're covered.
That's just a small sampling and some of the bigger names in the industry. There are thousands more. And they all have donors and supporters who care about that particular thing. You are way off the mark about it not being a "real job". Most of the people that work at non-profits work long hours and far harder than you sitting on your ass cruising Slashdot. And they do it for a pittance of pay because it's something they care about.
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And they do it for a pittance of pay because it's something they care about.
I spend on charity, and almost never do I donate to charities that pay people to call me. I find charities that spend their money on programs, not on fundraising and administration. Some charities attract volunteer callers/canvassers - but a lot of times it's just people doing a job like any other and there's no reason to glorify what they're doing. The net effect of what they do, beyond making a living, is often going to be movi
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The percentages are good information -- but they don't tell the whole story.
Many non-profits that I have worked for have fairly high operating costs (expenses), but do so because it increases their ability to fundraise (revenue) or help out the cause of their choice (profit).
What you're really talking about is the profit margin of an organization, and it's the basic business story we hear all the time in the for-profit sector.
We increase our expenses, because it will help drive revenues which ultimately giv
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Also consider that a full time staff might very well allow them to raise more money (kinda the point of doing that), such that while the percentage moved to administrative things is now higher, the actual amount available to support their cause is higher.
I think that's where we differ - I don't think this is a good excuse. While I understand charities want to raise more money (and good for them!) I think charitable spending is - to some extent - a zero sum game. For me it definitely is, there's a certain
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If anyone criticizes you, get up on the cross and say how they're depriving the orphans, or the dolphins, or whatever. You'll have a lot of sympathetic reporters in the mainstream media to back you up, especially if you back political causes that the media's groupthink agrees with. You can even sue the government, and as a condition of the settlement, they'll be required to fund your organizatio
There are no small jobs..only small minds (Score:1)
If you are working for a non profit how do you have customers?
Your company has a catalog to mail.
Invoices. Product samples.
Who do you think assembles the logo branded coffee mug on your desk?
Prints your labels? Licks your stamps?
There are thousands of little jobs like these that supplement the income of the elderly, the blind and disabled.
It's sub-minimum wage. Piece work.
If you are quick and agile - all things considered - you might just make enough to budget broadband internet and cable.
If nothing mor
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I agree with this... Techsoup is a great IT resource for non-profits.
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An even better format: txt
Safe and secure.
(joke stolen from a test... anyone have a link? I only have a local copy)
Re:Excel. (Score:5, Interesting)
You laugh, but for a small business, backups are tough. Some "enterprise" software that is vital to their business for example, will depend on registry keys, services, processes set up to run as a particular user with particular rights, etc. I've dealt with these situations, and setting up a "reasonable" backup solution on a budget is extraordinarily more complex when you're talking about software that is vital to their business.
And in this case, excel is great because it's one file. If they copy it, burn it, put it somewhere, they KNOW it's backed up. It's there. Same goes for TXT. They can test it by taking their one file and opening it up on another machine. Does it work? Yes. It's there.
But for more complicated software, holy crap. One solution I came up for an anonymous small business whose computers were stolen was to replace all their desktops with Virtualbox VMs, set every client and the server to save state, copy all the Virtualbox files to a second folder, and then resume state at 3:00AM. For a backup, I have a batch file on the autorun list for a couple eSATA/USB2 hard drives that they can plug in, click "copy back up" and then it's done in a few minutes to half an hour. They can take the hard drive home. They can do it any time during the day on at least one client and the server.
But frankly, everything else I've seen is that "enterprise" and "business" software is so mind-bogglingly poorly written that unless backing up is an option of the program, and sometimes (in my case) even if it's an option, you'll be regretting not coming up with a sane, easy, fast, painless backup solution right off the bat.
And that's why excel files, txt files, anything that minimizes the filesystem footprint, is awesome. In my case, I had to wrap their business software in a VM.
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Holy over-engineering Batman! How about simplifying that solution with image-based backup software. Macrium Free [macrium.com] or if you have some bucks to spend Acronis [acronis.com] is easier and a bit more polished.
Didn't the users notice the significant performance hit when wrapping their whole desktop in a VM?
Re:Excel. (Score:4, Informative)
My solution requires, literally, them to merely plug in a hard drive with a batch file already on it, and then make a single click.
And no, it was for a very small business that doesn't need or want an IT department to manage its computers. Performance hit? The new computers were six years newer than the ones stolen. If they noticed a performance hit, they only told me about how much faster their computers were.
Re:Excel. (Score:4, Interesting)
Small, purpose driven CRM's could be developed in Lotus Notes which includes automatic replication and offline use. It's not the cheapest thing around, but if you know a lotusscript developer or can hire one, you could have a single integrated application for managing everything you require.
It certainly has it's downsides, but for user simplicity, it has a lot going for it. Personally, I would develop my own tools for something like this with narrowly defined special requirements. You could do something like SugarCRM but I recommend against it due to complexity and initial learning curve.
I've got to agree with you about backup software-it's mostly shit. Never backs up the most important things you really need like registry keys.
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Notes really isn't all that expensive. The server software can be had for less than a couple of grand and the clients cost about $150. If you opt for an ongoing service agreement, you pay per year and get updates. If you opt to buy and hold, your initial cost is the total cost. It handles email, apps, security, your web presence, etc. There are any number of third party apps built on Notes so if you don't have a developer, just buy a package. If you're a fan of 'Getting Things Done', it's been done (n
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How can you not mention Salesforce in this context? Free up to 10 users, powerful, and all-cloud, which fits nicely with most NPOs.
Very true about the vultures though.