


Linux-Friendly Label Printer Recomendations? 188
pdkl95 writes "I have been using some small, simple desktop label printers for quite a while now. Unfortunately, it's rapidly becoming clear that my printing needs are for something far more 'industrial strength.' Several of the label printers have failed, and they never really had the management features I wanted. So, does anybody have recommendations on label printers, that can hold up to a quite heavy load? The catch is that I'm printing to them from CUPS under Linux, and it seems like specialty-printers are a windows-centric field."
Try Datamax (Score:5, Informative)
Helpful search string (Score:3, Informative)
at google [google.com]
(Not that I've used them, but I'm interested, too.)
wow. No kidding. Sorry about that. (Score:2)
When I ran it this morning, it brought up more useful information.
Well, on the third page, I found this [datamaxcorp.com] link to a pdf on the manufacturer's site. It has live links, and nosing around the manufacturer's site might dig up more information.
(I have work tomorrow, got to go to bed, so I'll beg off nosing around, leave it to others.)
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Perhaps you could provide some information to Open printing [openprinting.org]? That would be helpful, thanks in advance...
Does Brother Make Any Label Printers? (Score:4, Informative)
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I have a Brother P-Touch hand held that is industrial strength. I can connect it to a computer (haven't tried) but it is more for custom fonts/symbols/barcodes or batch print jobs.
For Desktop lables I would recommend a Zebra printer. That is what UPS issues to their customers. I do not think you can get drivers from them but it should accept raw output on port 9100. best thing to do is ask them directly.
good luck
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I have a Zebra printer I got off Ebay and it works great in Linux and CUPS. You just send it files in their EPL format (the programming guide is available online) and it prints it.
The only problem I have is that I can't seem to get it to work when printing labels from Paypal, but that's some kind of Java problem, not a problem with the printer or CUPS, since I also can't print to my regular laser printer from Paypal/Pitney-Bowes's stupid Java applet.
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Which distro and java version?
This sounds like a typical silly programmers problem that causes much trouble on windows pc's running in different languages too. Try installing (another) printer named "Default Printer" or whatever the standard name is in windows...
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I don't think it's that, because it works fine on my wife's XP laptop where the label printer is called "Zebra 2844" and there's multiple printers to choose from (with the Zebra not being the default).
I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 and whatever the fully-updated Java version is. I know, this is a rather old distro now, I plan to update to 9.04 as soon as I get a little spare time. Hopefully that'll fix it. It'd be nice however if I could just run a script to purchase the postage and download the label code fro
Look further down. (Score:2)
An AC posted one down a bit further.
(I replied with some links. Haven't used it myself.)
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Yes, we use the Brother P-Touch QL-550. It works fine with CUPS but we had to install a 3rd party (open source) driver for it that converts the postscript input from applications into the correct raster format for the printer.
Driver here: http://etc.nkadesign.com/Printers/QL550LabelPrinterCUPS [nkadesign.com]. Brother also release a binary-only driver, but why use that when an open source one works....
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a bit of an overstatement (Score:2)
I have a Brother 845CW. It's great that it provided linux drivers, but they are ghostscript based, and if I want to print a photo, it actually takes less time to reboot into windows . . .
Even printing text causes long pauses before the first page, and more before each additional page.
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Software solution? (Score:4, Interesting)
It sucks that manufacturers don't really make printer drivers for a lot of high-end equipment for Linux, but I suppose that's the nature of things, when the vast majority of people who would need them tend to only use Windows or OS X.
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I loath the idea of being forced to use Windows of any flavor. And I resent hardware sellers that have product that is unfit to run from a Linux machine. If a product is fit for sale it should be usable on an OS that a lot of people use exclusively.
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It sucks that manufacturers don't really make printer drivers for a lot of high-end equipment for Linux
High end equipment generally uses Postscript and standard printing protocols; they don't have to make "printer drivers". Printer drivers are the domain of low-cost consumer hardware.
but, if you have *any* Windows systems in your office running XP Professional or Vista Business/Enterprise,
Are you kidding? Even if setting up these things on Windows weren't such a PITA, the cost and complexity would defeat
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Brother PT-9500PC (Score:4, Informative)
I use the Brother PT-9500PC a lot. Very well supported under linux, they have their own driver page. Connects by USB.
wunnaful wunnaful! (Score:3, Informative)
And here's a couple of linkies:
a Brother page [brother.com]
a google search page [google.com]
Yes, Indeed. (Score:3, Interesting)
Try Sato America.
http://www.satoamerica.com/ [satoamerica.com]
They are industrial oriented. You can get all sorts of solutions, of which the most universal would be serial based. You can connect those up to almost anything with a serial port, fill it up with large rolls of labels and drive it all in your own code if you want to.
Yes, I know, their own software is Windows based. Don't let that be the stumbling block.
Two jobs ago I worked at a luxury goods manufacturer and we printed items tags on a SATO serial printer off of our main frame. Its just a matter of sending the right control codes over the serial port.
Great (Score:2)
Can you put up a how-to?
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I also use SATO at a high volume distribution company. These printers are rugged and dependable, although not cheap.. We print literally thousands of labels per day, and some of our printers are still going strong after 10+ years.
We use the M84Pro with 203 dpi heads. They also have 300+ and 600+ dpi heads (more expensive, but higher resolution). We also have one of the MB410i (mobile printing!)
They are capable of 1d & 2d barcodes, several fonts, raster graphics, lines, etc.
You can get modules for ser
Zebra (Score:5, Informative)
Labels come in most shapes and sizes. I believe we're using the LP2844 at the office; I'd have to double check but I believe UPS and FedEx send these out to their customers as well.
They are rugged. CUPS prints to them trivially. Labels are not terribly expensive, and they are fast.
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I second this. I have that same Zebra printer and it works great in Linux/CUPS. Mine's even USB.
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/kbarcode/ [sourceforge.net]
IIRC, there's some nice command line options which allow you to specify barcode type and data, with PS or EPS output.
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I use mine for two things, both being mailing labels, with no barcodes. First, I use it to print USPS mailing labels from Paypal. Second, I use it to print plain mailing labels (with to and from addresses) for outside-USA addresses. For this, I just designed my own label and wrote up the programming codes using their EPL Programming Manual. It's pretty simple: just make a text file with some codes for where you want the text to be, what the text should be, what size and orientation, etc. Send the file
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The Zebra (Eltron) printers that both UPS and FEDEX use are nice thermal printers with a fairly long lifetime in even slightly bad enviornments. They are thermal printers, so don't use them where the labels will be exposed to the sun for any length of time (use a thermal transfer version instead).These printers use EPL2 printer commands. Search the Zebra site for the EPL2 programmers manual if you want to run them in the raw. It is a very simple text protocol and easily scripted. Avoid the CUPS interface if
Zebra (Score:2)
If you're willing to do your own output generation, Zebra Technologies [zebra.com] provides programming references for their printers.
Zebra & DIY Output Generation (Score:2, Informative)
As several people have already mentioned, Zebra printers are excellent, particularly if you plan on generating your own output (as noted above). While not Linux, we currently generate our own output from an iSeries for various label media across several different zebra printer models.
Their reliablity and operation is rock solid and hassle free (just ensure you select a printer that is best suited for the media you are using). The ZPL programming reference guide that they make available I found to be quite
Zebra (Score:1)
One recommendation if you want a really nice looking label: Get a copy of Zebra's software(maybe
Holy shit (Score:2, Insightful)
Q: Can anyone recommend a Linux-friendly label printer?
Typical Slashdot answer: You can get a label printer from X company. If you install the software and loop the output back into a terminal you can hack the control codes and design your own printer driver.
Buzzword answer: Using a cloud service, you could upload your printing needs via a lightweight AJAX interface and have the results mailed to you.
Sane answer: Get a cheap Windows PC and choose from the many supported label printers.
Of course, the sane an
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Since the sane answer doesn't actually answer the question (i.e. list a Linux friendly printer) and since by the time the sane answer is posted, there are several answers which aren't the strawmen you posted which do, I think a -1 troll would be appropriate.
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If you went to the doctor because of chronic headaches, you might be satisfied with a prescription for pain killers.
But it doesn't really cure anything but the symptoms.
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I have to say this, you are true to your nick.
If you go to your doctor and say "Hey doc, it hurts when I do this!", despite the humor, it is not a valid response to say "Well stop doing that!"
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It is if "that" is something like "stab myself self in the hand with a fork".
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Don't be an idiot. The loopback thing was a helpful suggestion on how to use their Windows-only software to design attractive labels, and then print those in Linux. If you don't want fancy labels, you don't have to do that.
As it is, Zebra printers are already supported in CUPS/Linux, so there's no barrier here. The only problem is that their value-added software for making pretty labels is Windows-only, but that doesn't keep you from using the printer in Linux. I use my Zebra printer all the time in Lin
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Stop being such a dickhead. Often there is a perfectly usable solution for Linux, but there's no real marketing. You know the good kind of marketing, that actually tells you of your options. So you ask a large group of people likely to have the answer and you might find one. Or you might not, but now the odds are pretty good there isn't one. Linux compatibility follows no sane pattern, the exact same class of printer or even cheaper can work flawlessly and the big name printer is a damn paperweight. Brand i
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Really? How about "You buy X, set it up in CUPS (like you specified), and it just works, just like you want it to."
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Sane answer: Get a cheap Windows PC and choose from the many supported label printers.
Right, the OP couldn't possibly have a valid reason to want to run his printer on linux.
I've never seen a cheap Windows PC. I network my systems and count the manpower required to keep them stable and secure.
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Presumably, the person asking the question is looking for a solution, not a way to waste time.
YAG! (Score:1, Redundant)
Yet Another Great!
Can you put up a how-to?
zebra (Score:4, Informative)
I use zebra printers with a couple of clients - Linux + CUPS, no problem. You can find them online dirt cheap, just clean the rollers with alcohol to get them printing good.
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I'm going to second (or third) Zebra printers. All configuration is done via regular ASCII codes, they are operating system agnostic, and they last a long time (eight years and counting for the ones I use at work).
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Zebra's work on anything, you can copy raw ascii (or UTF-8) data to an LPT port if you want. I've had Unicode labels coming out of an zebra connected to an iSeries (the zebra had its own network card and just connected via a TCP port), which may not sound like much but that's because you've never tried to do this crap in RPG...
Just use windows (Score:1)
I've rolled my own "driver" for a rollfed color label printer before.
It's a lot of work and it sucks and you should just buy Bartender and use Windows.
I don't say this lightly, but it really is much easier. Only roll your own if bartender absolutely can't do what you want.
Zebra printers work great (Score:2, Informative)
I haven't had many ha
"Industrial strength?" (Score:1)
Please define where is the border between "desktop label printer" and "industrial strength". Are Dymo printers "desktop"? Are CNC mills "industrial strength"? What kind of labels are those anyway? Would it be easier to order the labels in bulk from someone else, providing eps templates and receiving rolls of pre-printed numbered labels?
More info needed... (Score:1, Interesting)
It would be helpful if you posted more information about what you're trying to print labels for and what size/shape/environmental requirements there are for the labels.
I can give you an example of what I have done for labels in the past though. I had a requirement to create thousands of labels for our inventory system. The only requirement was they had to be barcode readable and printed on small labels so we could tag our network equipment with them. The solution I came up with about 4 years ago (and is
ZEBRA = Your Friend (Score:2, Informative)
Re:ZEBRA = Your Friend (MOD PARENT UP) (Score:2)
I've got countless Zebra printers in horrible industrial environments. They run and run and run and run and run
Well, short of a little bunny banging a drum, you get the idea.
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Which isn't exactly an unreasonable requirement.
Zebra (Score:2, Informative)
Datamax is solid (Score:3, Informative)
We currently use DataMax I Series printers (specifically the DMX-I 4208 model). We've also used Zebra printers in the past. These are heavy duty printers using roll-fed label media (there's an option for a custom cutterhead, so you can actually have a label length specific to each print job).
These things are built like tanks and they have been amazingly trouble-free. You'll pay a price corresponding to this level of reliability but we've found them worth it. We print literally thousands of labels a month in critical line-of-business applications. The printers function much like laser printers in terms of their capability--all points addressable printing, DPL (equivalent to HP PCL) rendering language, integrated IP networking, self-hosted web administration pages, and so on.
Now the (few & relatively minor) downsides. I cannot comment on their Linux driver support. We use Windows Seagull drivers to host ours (Datamax doesn't make their own drivers, last I checked). Also we had to get 1 firmware update and 1 driver update to resolve a couple of infrequent but otherwise knotty problems.
There's no way to have multiple label media pre-loaded and software programmable (the equivalent of a cut-sheet laser printer's addressable drawers).
Oh, and they come with a decent manual. How many printers do that now?
Not overly topical though, is it? (Score:2)
Now the (few & relatively minor) downsides. I cannot comment on their Linux driver support. We use Windows Seagull drivers to host ours
Translation: I completely ignored your question and simply expounded about something I like with no relevance at all to your inquiry regarding good solutions for Linux. But don't let that get in the way of me influencing your decision, despite tossing my two cents worth in about something I'm admittadly unqualified to comment on.
Maybe I should be more patient with this
i know 2 methods (Score:2)
OpenOffice and these label templates WorldLabel_dot_com [worldlabel.com]
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Good link, Thanks much!
I've used OOo Calc for this task but hacked my own templates.
Nice to see a good variety of templates for this task have been made available.
At any rate, OOo Calc makes this a no brainer.
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Simple Solution (Score:2)
I buy labels on 8.5 x 11 sheets. The label sizes don't matter. You can use any label you want.
Set up a OOo Calc spreadsheet. The first column is your left border. Next is your left label. next is the right label. Next is right border.
Top row is top border. Then set the next 10 or so rows as label heights.
Getting a clear picture how this is done?
Set your column and row to show border lines and print one to see how close you can get to a factory label sheet.
A little experimentations you will soon have a l
HP SP400 (Score:2)
It's a handheld wireless printer/scanner that prints directly onto boxes, no labels required. Pretty slick.
These were developed for UPS but anyone can buy them (if you have the money to burn.)
No mention of Linux drivers, etc. however.
Intermec, Zebra, Datamax (Score:2, Informative)
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dot matrix? (Score:2)
IT's old tech, but, Panasonic and Okidata still have dot matrix printers out there. The advantage is that you could put a bunch of labels on a roll and let them rip just by sending ASCII out to the serial or parallel port.
did IBM open source any of the OS/2 drivers (Score:2)
LoB
Dymo LabelWriters (Score:2)
No problem printing to Serious printers (Score:2)
Brother QL-550 with PTouch drivers (Score:3, Informative)
There is a useful summary page here on how to get it working. [nkadesign.com]
We use linux for all our mountain bike parts operations by the way.
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It's just a shame there's only one P-touch tape printer that's actually supported under Linux using "official" drivers -- the PT-9500. My PT-2450DX is sitting here gathering dust while I learn enough Libgd to write a driver library.
For anyone who's currently engaged in an argument with a PT-2450DX: the protocol is basically the same as the PT-9500PC in "CBP-RASTER (PTCBP)" mode. The documentation for this particular mode is on .
Zebra (Score:2)
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Printing to WinPrinters from *NIX (Score:2)
On a related note... I currently launch a copy of Windows running on an old laptop or even from VMware or VirtualBox to drive my cheap USB multifunction printer device from Linux. The drawback is that I have to print to ps or pdf files first and transfer them to the Windows box for printing, rather than printing directly.
Is there a way to turn that setup into a network postscript printer that can be printed to directly from *NIX? The regular Windows printer sharing still relies on the clients having the lou
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Silly. He's talking about roll-fed label printers that are much smaller in dimensions than a regular printer.
Re:Can't you... (Score:4, Informative)
You're assuming that he's labeling letters rather than labeling something like test tubes on a one-by-one basis (ie, a sheet of labels would be wasted)
Googling around, it looks like if you take care of a few oddities you can use certain Dymo LabelWriters with CUPS. There's an older howto here [ubuntuforums.org]. We've got a few we've used (on windows) for years.
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In my experience, a sheet of labels can be run through a printer multiple times IF:
(1) it gets pulled from the end, not from the side
(2) you try to use the labels at the bottom first for best traction on subsequent passes, OR you flip it over and run it from the other end the next time (Avery sheets are symmetrical)
(3) your printer doesn't have a faint blee
Re:Can't you... (Score:5, Informative)
Um, the guy is NOT asking for a laser printer. I'm sure he already has a laser printer and was using a label printer cause lasers suck at label printing tasks. Label printers operate quite different. Manually feeding and re-feeding and re re re re re re re re re re feeding a sheet in a laser printer, modifying the print settings for each label is NOT the answer! Don't forget the 4 hours of labor with the printer torn apart trying to get loose labels off the inside of the printer, and the costs of replacement drums you have destroyed. A laser printer for *most* common label printing tasks is using the "hammer to drive in a screw" approach.
Keep in mind that label printer label stock comes in a lot more options than laser printer label stock. Some are variable length where you can print something really short or a foot long depending on the label needed. Some have special adhesive, some are laminated. Some are thermal paper where others are thermal transfer.
The solution is a unix friendly commercial unit. What makes them unix friendly? Simple: you can get programming docs for them. Zebra's are nice and you can even print by sending XML to it. Rather than trying to get a CUPS driver, which is pretty silly for labels, you put the "driver" in the application. The thing is, printing lots of labels just isn't something traditional apps (open office) are good at (outside of the traditional "print 400 copies of the same label" or "mailmerge"). You are much better off with a quick and dirty (web?) app that sends the right formatting commands directly to the printer. You can certainly get a cups driver for many many label printers, it's just not the best thing for cups to be in the middle between the app and the printer in most label printing cases that I have run across (years ago, I worked with industrial label printers.)
Unfortunately, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any of us to answer the question because we only have the "I need a computer that uses electricity" level of detail. What exactly does he need the labels for? Shipping boxes? Equipment tags? Wires? File folders? e-stamps? Can't recommend anything without knowing how it's going to be used.
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I was not trying to say the submitter should use a laser printer. I was only saying that it is not true that a label sheet can only be fed once. If a printer will take a label sheet at all, it will take it twice (once from each end). There are plenty of other reasons to run a dedicated label printer, but I wanted to shoot down this particular one.
Mal-2
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The thing is, printing lots of labels just isn't something traditional apps (open office) are good at (outside of the traditional "print 400 copies of the same label" or "mailmerge"). You are much better off with a quick and dirty (web?) app that sends the right formatting commands directly to the printer.
That is why you use glables instead.
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I disagree about CUPS. I use CUPS for my Zebra LP2844 USB, and it works great. I can unplug and replug the printer (I move it between two computers) and it just works seamlessly. CUPS isn't a problem; it just provides the print queue. But it just sends the printer whatever you send to it. I send the printer custom EPL-coded text files (my printer doesn't support ZPL), and CUPS just passes them through.
So use CUPS; it already has a driver built-in for Zebra printers. It's not much of a "driver", as it'
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We tried this at the office for a while.
To print one label at a time is wasteful; to get users to specify how many labels are already used off the sheet is too hard (and slow), and the printers are slow and prone to jam when you re-feed the label sheets.
This solution lasted about 4 weeks for us, then we were told to spend the $200 or so and get a real printer (Zebra, I believe LP2844).
It's not the SIZE that's the problem, it's that users are idiots and really need most of the work already done for them.
Re:Can't you... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or maybe they're actually doing work and don't want to sit there counting labels, going back to their desk and changing the print settings, and then dashing back and coaxing a fragile sheet of labels through a machine that will eat it 30% of the time, instead of just clicking the little printer button and peeling off a label.
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Same difference.
Also, the printer was next to the computer.
Either way, the right answer is use the right tool for the job - continuous feed labels.
That's being smart, not idiots (Score:2)
There are cheap ($200) devices to do that and save the trouble. Smart people tend to prefer not wasting time on useless crap.
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Zebra LP2844s seem to get everywhere. I have a dedicated one just for me on my desk at work, as does my colleague next to me. They work perfectly every time with no hassle, ever. Lovely piece of kit.
The other printer I have on my desk is an Oki dot-matrix printer, which is used for triplicate carbon-type labels. It jams several times a day and loses alignment occasionally. I've also killed two of them in the last six months. Not such a great tool.
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I agree. I used to work at a facility that had more than a dozen of the zebra printers, of various models, all connected via ethernet to a Unix spooler.
They would print 1 label at a time up to a couple of rolls depending on the application.
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I third? Zebra. I work in a manufacturing plant where we have ~30 Zebras, mostly 90Xiii, working with Oracle running on Linux. Very solid unless you have to print vertically oriented barcodes.
why is this modded down? (Score:2)
A quick search on google produced this [google.com].
Any other information people would need?
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Go to the nearest electronics store and buy 20 random pieces of hardware. Plug them into 4 computers, running any modern Linux distro, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. Tell me how many of them work without installing additional software on each OS.
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It is in most corporate environments. I can bring any hardware I want to work (I love my ergonomic keyboard), as long as it works in Windows XP out of the box. No driver downloads/installs allowed.
And don't forget the very large number of home users who are baffled by instructions like "click on the link" or "insert the disc". Installing a driver is, quite often, "a problem".
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It is in most corporate environments. I can bring any hardware I want to work (I love my ergonomic keyboard), as long as it works in Windows XP out of the box. No driver downloads/installs allowed.
I have absolutely never, ever had a keyboard or mouse not work under Linux with zero configuration.
Ever.
If you have a keyboard and/or mouse that doesn't work, it's because it does not work. By that I mean a hardware malfunction.
I've gone through a few wireless keyboard/mouse sets, wired usb, wired ps/2, serial, etc.
Bluetooth will require the Bluez Linux Bluetooth stack and a little bit of configuration.
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You are obviously not following the thread. I am claiming that more hardware works in linux out of the box. The other poster is claiming that more hardware works in Windows after installing drivers. Both are true, so we have started arguing which case is more relevant.
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Installing a driver is, quite often, "a problem".
Absolutely. We've still got hardware that comes with a Windows driver disk with a day-glo sticker on it saying "install me first" and a piece of hardware with a little cap on its USB port secured by another day-glo sticker telling you to find that CD before plugging in the device. Case in point, I got two identical web cams, one for my Mom, one for me. She thought it'd be nice if she could see her granddaughter in-between my occasional trips upstairs^B^B^B^B^B^B^B^Bback home. Mine plugs into Ubuntu mach
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Is there really any need for that sort of Microsoft bashing?
Yes. Bringing some balance to a multi billion dollar marketing machine.
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For one thing, as the asshole and zealot you clearly are, your knowledge and concept of Windows is stuck 8+ years in the past.
That covers the current state of the art, then. XP was released in 2001.
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Why, there are many printers that Linux supports. The problem is that the manufacturer doesn't directly support them so it's currently difficult figuring out which one were. That's were asking a community of people who uses *nix comes in handy. And yes, there is a difference between Linux supporting something and the manufacturer supporting it. Often that difference is only in where to look for drivers and capabilities and who to ask for help. It's not difficult, especially if you take your time and look ar
This is why I buy Brother Printers (Score:2)
http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/download_esp.html [brother.com]
Brother offers Linux CUPS and lprd drivers for every single printer I've seen them offer.
Brother has the QL-570 with a USB connection and a Linux driver. They also have the QL-580N if you want a networked label printer.
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does it take longer than 30 seconds to get them?
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Does it blend?
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If you have the skills to do so. Many people are lacking that and the time to get it going but for whatever reason, they are still using OSS.
That's what OSS is about, freedom. Sometimes you might just need to pay a little more for it.
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That's new... I've had a Seiko for years and occasionally check their web page for updates to the Mac software (as of the last version I tried it still sucks -- won't display contacts alphabetically). I'll give the Linux version a try and hope it's decent. Their Windows software works OK but I'm trying to move everything off of the one Windows machine I keep around (if I ever get Quicken to work under Wine, that machine will be history).