Where To Start With DIY Home Security? 825
secretrobotron writes "I'm a recent university graduate from a co-op system which has kept me on the move every other semester, so I've never really had a permanent place to live, and I've never had the opportunity (or the capital) to buy expensive things. Now that I'm working, those restrictions on my life are gone and I'm living in an apartment with things I don't want stolen. I would love to build a DIY home security system, but I don't even know where to start since Google searches reveal things like diysecurityforum.com, which help only to an extent for a curious newcomer. Has anybody out there successfully built a home security system on a budget? If so, where did you start?" Related query: When similar questions have come up before, many readers have recommended Linux-based Zoneminder (last updated more than a year ago); is that still the state of the art?
a gun (Score:5, Funny)
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
If violence didn't work, it's because you didn't use enough of it!
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Re:a gun (Score:4, Insightful)
Had you blown up the nutter first, your house would be fine.
Re:Sure... (Score:5, Funny)
time travel
time travel? Now that's going to require a lot of explosives!
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I think your key ingredient might be time travel
Customer: I gotta get these pills to my girlfriend.. four months ago.
Einstein Express. When it absolutely, positively, has to be there the day before yesterday. [jt.org]
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If violence didn't work, it's because you didn't use enough of it!
I thought that was the rule for XML...
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
And if that's not true you just need to apply it more.
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and if that doesn't work: more gun.
Any chance you are from Texas?
Re:a gun (Score:5, Insightful)
And a dog.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, come to think of it, a well-trained dog is probably one of your better security options.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, come to think of it, a well-trained dog is probably one of your better security options.
Indeed ... especially if he's well-trained enough to use a gun.
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Indeed ... especially if he's well-trained enough to use a gun.
Naw, just train the dog to chew off the toes of thieves . . . http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/08/04/1547221/Dog-Eats-Mans-Toe-and-Saves-His-Life#commentlisting [slashdot.org]
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Really? I notice you didn't back up your claim with sources, but anti-gun "pundits" often cite that same "fact" but with some major flaws. First of all, gun ownership in the United States is not as ubiquitous as these "pundits" want you to believe. Please note, too, that the areas with the highest crime rates in the United States, especially home invasion and burglary, are areas that have instituted HANDGUN BANS (Like Chicago, New York City, Washington DC, Baltimore, most of California), yet their crime sta
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No, no. He said "The U.S. doesn't have fun at mentally lower rates of buglary". Americans just love the sound of brass instruments - life's just no fun without them.
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Why was this marked insightful? It should be funny. I don't have any points to do that. :(
Funny doesn't give karma so mods will sometimes mod a post insightful/interesting/informative as a courtesy. There's also the possibility a mod thought it was an insightful joke.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, come to think of it, a well-trained dog is probably one of your better security options.
The likely cost of dog, plus regular veterinary maintenance, plus daily feeding, plus pet-sitting while away on holiday or business is substantial. (Remember, you can't board your security system at a kennel, or even store it at a friend's place while you're away -- it doesn't work, then.) You're out of pocket for quite a bit more than the typical homeowner's insurance policy, and the cost of dog food is probably comparable to most security system monitoring charges.
Meanwhile, the typical security system doesn't need to be walked twice a day (rain, snow, or sunshine), isn't going to shed on all of your clothing, and won't chew on your shoes.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes but will your fancy 'lectonix give you puppy kisses when you are feeling blue???
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Re:a gun (Score:5, Informative)
So rather than pay for your own security, you prefer to let everyone else pay for it after your house has been robbed. How very philanthropic of you.
You betray your lack of understanding of simple economics. The insurance company isn't interested in subsidizing you. They will charge (to the very best of their penny pinching knowledge) exactly what they expect to pay out in claims, to a person with similar income, living in a similar apartment, in a similar neighborhood -- plus a comfortable markup for their trouble.
If you choose a homeowner's policy with a sensibly high deductible, then you're covered for catastrophic losses (the only really necessary role of insurance, for anyone with a shred of financial sense), but you're not on the hook for the (rather silly) folks who think that an insurance policy should protect them from anything and everything unfortunate that might ever happen to them. Not only that, by choosing such a sensible policy, you're also only sharing your risk with similarly sensible people.
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No, but there's a nasty old strain of authoritarian who thinks that simply because you are in the same insurance risk pool as he is, he has the right to control your behavior to reduce your risk.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, come to think of it, a well-trained dog is probably one of your better security options.
Since when is an option that requires me to handle dog excrement on a daily basis a 'better' option?
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Stops handling it for christ's sake, and put it in the bin.
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That may be true, but they're probably not worth the maintenance... or the smell... or the hair all over your furniture.
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We had an incident nearby about a year ago where some asshole sprayed two dogs with bear mace as he broke-in. Dogs are great, but they're not perfect.
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Actually, come to think of it, a well-trained dog is probably one of your better security options.
A well-trained dog would be good, but I reckon having an un-house-trained dog would deter most unwelcome visitors.
RE: Dog (false positives) (Score:3, Informative)
A dog is not the best option, the false-positive rate can be high. This rate is very difficult to predict at the time of acquisition, and can involve subtle environmental cues (EG: dappled sunlight) or combined-effects (EG: Mr. Squeaky sliding under the couch). The end result is getting the alarms confused for "Major Alien Invasion" and "Agent With Flat Tire." (Get Smart)
If an electronic alarm had this tendency, it would be thrown out the window. Doing so with the dog is ill-advised.
Re: Barking Dog (Score:4, Interesting)
Came to say this ---^
Lived in Miami and had many things stolen from my fenced in yard and many "false alarms" on my alarm system whenever I was out of the house after dark.
Got 2 puppies from the local animal shelter and voila, problems stopped...
Barking PUPPIES stopped it all...And when they got bigger and their barks were deeper, it was just a bonus that kept solicitors away as well...
Now, they're both 15 years old and sleep all the time and they deserve it.
Be a mensch. Rescue a puppy and save yourself a lot of hassle and get a buddy to hang out with as well...
One of the best decisions I ever made.
Re: Barking Dog (Score:4, Interesting)
We also had a fenced yard with an ally behind it in south Florida (Hollywood). Not the best neighborhood. But we had a 125lb Mastiff/Catahoula mix.
She had brendel coloring (black and brown irregular spots) which was awesome camouflage. When she laid down in the bushes, she disappeared, day or night.
People would walk up and down the alley. The dog would just watch them most of the time, until they touched the fence. Then she would go nuts with the barking and drool and meanness. The funniest part about it was that people would walk by at night, get a little too close to the fence and then all of a sudden noise, slobber and teeth would come flying at them out of the darkness. It was good entertainment and my friends and I would sit on the porch and just watch the action.
One time the police were chasing someone down the alley and the person jumped the fence to cut through our yard. According to the officer, the guy jumped over, he then heard barking and screaming as the guy jumped back over the fence. He practically ran through the policemen getting away from the dog.
We got a K9 badge from the police a few days later and put it on her collar.
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I've heard of some straight up horrible things happen to dogs when their owners were away. One of my friends came home from work a few years ago and found his dog with a screwdriver through its head. I've heard of oven cleaner being used. Truly fucked up.
I'm a decent sized guy that has been attacked a couple of times by dogs as well (a pit and a doberman), and while I have some good scars, I wasn't ever too worried about handling myself against them. I am scared of rottweilers, but I can easily out run one
Re:a gun (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yeah, most burglars are too lazy to think that far ahead.
I mean, it takes a lot of effort to come up with a plan bee.
Re:a gun (Score:4, Insightful)
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"Dude... people can get past a dog. Nobody fucks with a lion."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seQsqfwd0ts&feature=related [youtube.com]
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
"Screw a dog..."
Umm. I think you want 4chan.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Funny)
A sticker on your door with the weapon of choice and a message saying "We don't call 911"
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Re:a gun (Score:4, Interesting)
A few years ago 3-4 of his neighbors houses had been broken into and robbed in a short period of time. My friend, a gun enthusiast who loves shooting at the range and does so at least once a week, decided there was no better deterrent than hanging one of his used silhouette targets up on the back door.
The ragged holes in the head and chest said all that needed to be said
And a safe for when you're not there to guard it (Score:4, Interesting)
a gun
And a good safe to store it in when you're away somewhere you can't take it with you. (Some jurisdictions blame YOU if a neighborhood gangsta lifts it and uses it somewhere else. So you don't want to depend on locked cases or hidey-holes.)
Get a fire safe. Not only do they help protect stuff against damage in a fire, they're double-walled with a layer of firebrick between the walls. This makes them heavy enough that it takes a special piece of equipment to move them. So the bad guys can't just haul it off somewhere else to crack it ^even if you don't bolt it to the floor with the locknuts inside).
and if that doesn't work: more gun.
Once you've got enough "stopping power" to make the threat credible and follow through if you're called, you don't need to go larger. As McClary's law of firepower says: "You can't stop a bullet with a bigger bullet." Which in this case means "they can't". Housebreakers don't go in for (ineffective) arms races. They are more into avoiding "houses that shoot" in favor of less dangerous prey.
Decent sized pistol for one-on-one or few-on-one, shotgun if mobs-on-one might be an issue, and you're golden.
For home defense load your 12-gauge shotgun with fine birdshot loads, like number 40: It's just as effective as 00 if there's nothing but air between gun and target - but gets stopped by a couple layers of drywall at any significant distance - so you don't need to include the neighbors in the exercise. Fragmenting or greatly expanding hollowpoint bullets (such as "Golden Saber" or "Silvertip") in the pistol for the same reason (and also so it doesn't go THROUGH the bad guy and hit the neighbors if the perp is such a fool that you actually have to fire.)
According to FBI stats, safest (in terms of victim injury/death percentages) defense (by a BUNCH) is with-gun, next safest is knuckling under, and everything else is far worse.
Mandatory mindset: IF you have picked up the gun you have ALREADY DECIDED that you WILL fire if the perp attacks despite it. Get that figured out in your head before considering picking up the gun - or even getting one for self/home defense. You need to already be past that internal conflict to fire in time if it is necessary.
Take the NRA "Personal Protection" firearms course - before deciding what (if any) gun to buy or dedicate for the purpose. Excellent, cheap, customized for your area and its laws, taught by certified instructors with the legal issues handled by an official of the jurisdiction. A weekend's instruction (or several evening sessions) and you'll have the skills, competence, and understanding of the law and its fallout necessary to know when to defend and do it properly.
Re:And a safe for when you're not there to guard i (Score:5, Informative)
Birdshot is not good even at across the room distances. It will not attain needed penetration. You don't want to hurt the bad guy you want to stop him.
00 is fine, slugs are better. You don't care that what happens later, this ain't the movies and you need the bad guy to stop now.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/ [theboxotruth.com]
Re:And a safe for when you're not there to guard i (Score:4, Informative)
From your cited site: "Lessons learned: A car door doesn't protect you against shotguns either."
My personal protection weapon is a 20ga. shotgun with #4 birdshot (aka "goose loads"). At close range it blows a hole in flesh that you can put both fists into. It's still lethal at house-or-yard distances (up to maybe 30-40 feet). I've used it to kill large animals with heavy haircoats; humans are, if anything, less well protected by average clothing and flesh. (I don't imagine most burglars put on their kevlars before going out for a night's work. Tho maybe there should be an OSHA regulation about that. ;)
Now, light birdshot at 50 yards or so, all that does is sting or at most puncture skin. But point-blank it will still put a serious hole in you. Even a popper or blank can kill at close range. Ask Jon-Erik Hexum if you don't believe me.
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Re:And a safe for when you're not there to guard i (Score:4, Informative)
I can't be the only one that envisioned automatic "gun cameras" here can I?
Deadly-force mantraps are illegal essentially everywhere.
Rule of thumb: In most jurisdictions you can only use deadly force to defend yourself (or another person of certain related classes) against a threat to life or limb. In some you can also use it to defend property under some circumstances.
You can't delegate the decisions to machines - especially when you personally aren't there to be at risk. (It's not just their operation that's illegal. Even setting up such a device is one or more of several crimes.)
Scenario: You're away (or died last month). Sheriff, firefighter, landlord, or heir shows shows up (with a warrant, probable cause, chasing smoke or flame, or coming to take possession of his property). "Sherrif, warrant!" / "Anybody in there? You're on fire!" / "Home at last! Let's get this door open and move in." Bash. BANG!
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you've never been to texas I take it.
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other w
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I carry a gun because a cop was too heavy!
get a DOG as well! (Score:3, Informative)
get a DOG as well!
if you don't want a dog they have fake dog sound boxes.
Re:a gun (Score:4, Funny)
or nukes from orbit, just to be sure.
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Re:a gun (Score:4, Interesting)
Spoke with a local cop across the street. His take on the best defenses: 1) know your neighbors so they know who does and doesn't belong so they'll call the cops when they see something out of order - this is what he says catches most of the burglaries that he's seen; 2) a dog. As to alarm companies and such he says he doesn't recall a single instance where they managed to catch anyone in a residential burglary because of an alarm going off, monitored or unmonitored. Take this as hearsay.
neighbors... (Score:4, Interesting)
It's funny you mention that - my wife and I just moved into a neighborhood that is cheap, but slightly dodgy. Not so much dangerous, but a lot of break-ins and property crime.
When we were checking out our place, I was looking at the parking lot included. I looked across the alley and realized that I was looking at a 3-story building, maybe ten or twelve apartment balconies per floor, that was a retirement home.
At any hour of the day or night, there are at least one or two people on their balconies having a smoke. All of a sudden, I stopped worrying about break-ins.
Re:a gun (Score:5, Informative)
An awl could be almost as effective in the right hands, but it requires you to get much closer to the intruder and therefore increases risk
Not of you shoot a bundle of them from a siege mounted crossbow.
(Apologies to Sir Terry for stealing Detritus' weapon of choice).
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"No honey, it's a potato gun, not a bong."
"What do you need it for?"
"It's for protection. You want me to protect you, right?"
"How does it work?"
"You shove a potato in there and then some bolts and screws, and then fire it at the bad guy."
"What if the bad guy has a REAL gun?"
"Look honey, I made one for you too."
What's that coming over the hill? Is it a monster? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What's that coming over the hill? Is it a monst (Score:5, Funny)
Dogs are useful and all, but bear ..
I totally agree. A bear is much better than even several dogs. Even in the case of several intruders, while the dogs could tackle them both simultaneously, the bear makes short work of even the largest thug.
What do you have (Score:4, Funny)
So...
What are you going to buy that is worth stealing?
Re:What do you have (Score:5, Funny)
He's going to have a kickass security system that he doesn't want thieves to break in and steal.
Do you really want to build your own? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Do you really want to build your own? (Score:5, Informative)
Agree - I just went through the process of researching and installing an alarm, and the bottom line is that while the technology seems cool at first it is actually finicky and you are dealing with a serious pain-in-the-ass when things don't work right (your neighbors won't be friends for long when stray cats are setting off alarms next door at 3am).
Therefore I went with an Elk M1 system that is pricey but infinitely expandable into a complete home automation system and comes with an ethernet module that lets you do whatever you want in software - and that is where I will have my geek fun with it.
Re:Do you really want to build your own? (Score:5, Informative)
The solution (Score:3, Funny)
A moat and a drawbridge.
Risk Management (Score:5, Insightful)
It sounds like you're not too keen on Accepting it, so lets consider the other three options. The magic here is to budget for it. Don't spend $1M to protect your $1000 stereo.
Chance mitigation is all about making it less likely for you to be invaded. This is about taking away temptation (eg tint your windows, good curtains), making entry harder (locks, security screens), and discouraging attackers (those cool stickers that threaten trunk monkey attack)
Damage mitigation is about reducing the damage once they're in. Alarm system. Connected to local security firm. Be prepared to pay $1 per day for monitoring.
Insure it. Nuff said.
There is nothing in this about video-ing the perps. There is nothing in it about having a gun, or traps or anything weird. When you assess the possible outcomes, those things don't reduce your loss, and likely increase your trauma.
Good luck!
5. Get to know your neighbours (Score:3)
You forgot 5. Get to know your neighbours.
I am surprised at the number of posts here which don't mention other people, seeing as slashdot gets excited about social engineering hacker contests, but to manage your risk and look after your property, don't forget to cultivate good relationships with your neighbours. Social side of things can help secure your property as much as technology.
Having friends looking out for you reduces risk immensely. I've got a neighbour who's phoned me at work to tell me I left a
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There is a Linux Home Security Project (Score:4, Informative)
All the surveillance is based on MythTV. Seems open source friendly.
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http://www.linuxhomesecurity.com/ [linuxhomesecurity.com] All the surveillance is based on MythTV. Seems open source friendly.
A bunch of tabs for future "support" on that website I see... I really hate to be that guy but it reminds me of this: xkcd [xkcd.com]
Stickers & Insurance (Score:5, Insightful)
The odds that you will get your stuff stolen are pretty low. Security systems are mostly a waste of money. Just get some realistic looking ADT stickers (from eBay) that will make the thieves think you have a security system. Having an actual system will get you ZERO extra security, just costs.
In case you get your stuff stolen, get home insurance, they will give you money and then you can buy newer toys! Actually, get insurance anyway, if the building burns or something and you are responsible, you really want insurance.
It seems obvious... (Score:3, Insightful)
A moat of course. A water barrier is quite effective keeping out the vandals and goths, not to mention pesky viking raiders.
Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Dog
Better auditory detection capabilities.
Better olfactory detection capabilities.
Better friend-or-foe algorithms.
More reliable than any electronic equipment.
More trustworthy than any security system vendor.
Faster response times than any security or law enforcement.
More immediate and satisfying effects than any justice system.
Fluffier.
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When an intruder enters the area of protection, it automatically begins barking like an angry dog. From outside, it sounds like you have a very unfriendly dog inside.
Re:Solution (Score:5, Insightful)
I assure you, you don't. They just know it's you :)
Need more info (Score:4, Funny)
Woof (Score:5, Interesting)
Our primary home security system is Terri the Terrorist Terrier -- 55 pounds of friendly tail-wagging furry cuddliness if she knows and likes you, 55 scary pounds of big teeth and growls if you're a stranger.
When we first got Terri my wife and I lived in what some might call a "sketchy" neighborhood, and we KNOW Terri scared off (and likely bit, from the screams) at least one or two intruders in the yard, well before they could get to the house or to my office in a separate building. Terri is also portable; if you need to walk around a not-nice neighborhood, you can take Terri with you.
Terri has also handled the few rat infestations we've had, using the traditional terrier "shake until dead" method.
We got Terri from the Manatee County Animal Shelter. There is surely a similar facility near you that has a perfect alarm system waiting to go home and protect you from burglars, cats, and Al Queda operatives -- and who will wag his or her tail when you come home and probably even lick your face if allowed. Don't worry about breeds and all that. You'll know the right dog, and the right dog will know you. Training is not hard, and dog food is cheap. For 24/7 indoor AND outdoor protection, you'll want a doggie door and a fenced yard, but your living circumstances may not allow this. No big; millions of dogs live indoors and go out for walks and to dog parks for exercise.
"Woof," tweets Terri -- @TerriTerrier
Dogs and Guns (Score:5, Funny)
German Shepherds, and a 12-gauge shotgun. You can probably use the gun for other things, like killing noisy turkeys, and the dog will make an excellent addition to your family and/or good way to attract chicks if you take it for the occasional walk in the park (although, if the dog is out with you, its not home watching the house. Maybe get two and have them work on shifts).
Went through it (Score:5, Informative)
I ran Linux zoneminder and Blue Iris - a commercial but inexpensive Windows program each on their own dedicated servers. The servers were single rack space Dual Atoms. I then installed a $100 eBay wireless IP camera, a Linksys wireless IP camera, A usb video capture card with 1 camera, and a regular USB web-cam so I could try each of these out in comparison.
The $100 camera was useless - terrible focus. The linksys, being the most expensive at $250 was the best, but is not an outdoor camera without additional housing. The USB camera is acceptable but requires proximity to the servers. The video camera is also acceptable.
After running the software for 2 months, I eventually settled on Blue Iris. It was $49 and a lot more stable than ZoneMinder. There were some features of zoneminder I liked, but after using both I found several instances were ZoneMinder had flaked out and I could not retrieve data/images that I would need if I was really researching a theft. The errors are very cryptic, often requiring extreme measures to determine what had gone wrong. Usually I just gave up and rebooted everything and it would start working again. The configuration for zoneminder is also very difficult, having to get various versions of video for linux V1 and V2, java applets/jar files etc all tied together. You can go with their 'ready to run CD' to avoid the painful configuration work, but then you are stuck with their Linux distribution, and I wanted to go with the current Ubuntu.
In the end, I have a system I am confident will provide me with images after an incident that will lead to an arrest. I plan on adding/replacing with more of the Linksys style wireless IP cams, at about $250 a pop as budget allows. The entire system will probably get its own dedicated wireless lan eventually. I can also browse in when I am on the road and check in on things, although that is more of a 'peace of mind' thing and doesn't really have much practical use.
Server - $300ish with 1.5T disk space, wireless hub (eBay) $50ish, wireless cams - $250ish each, Windows+Blue Iris - $150ish - reasonably expect up to about 6 cameras. This puts it in the same range as a decent Hard disk based dedicated security recorder from say Radio Shack, but with a wireless ability and lot more flexibility.
Four Words: Fry's Electronics (Score:5, Informative)
# $250-$350 4 channel DVR (I don't remember how much but it was the cheapest decent recorder).
# 1 $275 + tax wireless camera with receiver. (awesome quality and sound!)
# 1 "bullet cam" that is not tiny, but small enough to be hidden in plants. It is wired. Maybe $50?
I later returned the Fry's DVR and got one off of newegg for $100 +tax and shipping, though I had to provide a SATA drive that I already had.
I also spent a bit more, like $80 on 8 D cell rechargeable batteries, and then like $145 on a powermaxx (best company EVER) for a D charger with 4 batteries. Although I had a wireless camera, I had no where to plug it in. So I made a battery pack. My #'s indicate I could run that camera for at least 24 hours with consistent connection and quality, then about 12 more hours and it got dimmer, crappier video quality and less night time infrared abilities as the batteries died.
Thanks to Fry's excellent return policy, the only thing you lose is your time! But I was able to return all that went unused. Here are some things to avoid: Small/tiny wireless cameras: their quality and resolution sucks. Avoid very expensive cameras as that they'll be no better than middle range cameras. Don't worry about the DVR, they all pretty much suck. Don't use your PC as a DVR, pretty much most people have problems with it. Oh, and of all the DVRs I used, all of them had issues being accessed through the internet.
Someone ended up stealing that wireless camera, and I have that on DVR! My buddy put it on youtube for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0NkvA1uh4 [youtube.com]
I ended up buying another 2 of those cameras and mounted them high up and attached securely to the wall.
If you want more info on what exactly I bought, feel free to email me.
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Heh, you make an earlier comment [slashdot.org] all the more insightful.
ZoneMinder is not all it could be (Score:5, Informative)
As someone who's been trying to whip up ZoneMinder into a marketable state for over a year now, I have to say it's not all it's made out to be. The capture daemons are brittle and crash frequently due to resource and memory leaks. When they exit abnormally, they always do so with the same code 255, and don't produce workable logs. Timestamps of " 1 january 1970" happen all the time, which mess up the timeline view of events. The web front end is arcane, spartan, and really time-intensive to learn. (E.g. clicking on a monitor's name does something different from clicking on its IP address, even though both screens go to a different subset of camera settings. The difference between a "modect with no zone" and a "monitor" is arbitrary. All the different camera "modes" are strange in my opinion. That there's ten different ways to view events is weird. And so on. It's not unlearnable, but it's far, far from usable.)
So instead of just whining, I patched a lot of these issues, along with adding some new cameras to the database and improving the translation for my native language. I sent the maintainer a pretty nice patch set, if I say so myself. Guess what? Absolute silence, never heard anything back. Which I could live with, if my patches at least showed up in the next release. But no new releases for over a year. So my patience with this project is pretty much over.
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Join #zoneminde on irc.freenode.net tell your story and wait a day or three. Sucks, but tends to yield results.
Re:ZoneMinder is not all it could be (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds to me like a fork is in order... you find the project useful enough to patch it, why not just fork the project if you aren't getting any traction?
Don't think you are getting into some obligation, you aren't. You are no more obligated to do anything than the guy you're pulling a fork from, you will see your good work benefit the community, and you just might save the project over the long haul.
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Yep - If the maintainer is out to lunch you would be doing us all a favor by forking it.
make your place less attractive to thieves (Score:5, Insightful)
I subscribe to the theory that thieves are lazy, they will seek out the easiest target.
Technology will only get you so far. Video surveillance will show you the perps after the fact. Alarms might scare off kids and amateur criminals. Shotgun traps will get you thrown in jail.
If you have ground floor windows, plant thorny bushes in front of them. Roses look nice. Invest in motion detecting exterior lighting. Put up a fence. Reinforce your doors. Install better locks. Make sure all points of access are easily seen by your neighbors and the police. Don't leave expensive stuff where it can be viewed from outside.
The goal is to make your place a less attractive target than the neighbors.
Go wireless networked burglar alarm (Score:4, Interesting)
I use the Scientech LS-30 [210.68.28.137] which is a device supporting several types of wireless sensors including PIR (infra-red), reed switch, glass breakage detector, smoke detector, medical alert button and wireless outdoor alarm.
The alarm system can report a break-in, fire or medical emergency via PSTN or SMS. It's very programmable, with support for lots of different zones, X10 home automation switches, day-of-week and time-of-day mode setting, doorbell and so on.
The LS-30 has accessories including a GSM module (for sending alerts via SMS) USB interface and also ethernet interface.
I wrote the LS30 project [ohloh.net] to allow me to control and monitor the device from linux. There's a daemon which connects to the alarm's ethernet port; it proxies commands (from clients on my machine) and events (alerts / status updates) from the device.
I have daemons to watch for particular events (e.g. door open/close), logging the activity rates of PIR sensors (movement detection is reported by the unit even when disarmed) and burglaries (so the computer knows and can react accordingly e.g. by sending SMS messages or twitter).
Appropriate signage: (Score:4, Funny)
Motion (Score:4, Interesting)
I've used it a few times, easy to install and configure.
It can do time lapse, motion sense and round robin on multiple devices. Even supports a streaming function with Apache and can upload the latest image to a remote FTP server on the Internet.
Doesn't need much as far as hardware either, one of the systems I set up was a 450MHz celeron with 128M RAM. Over all the hardest part of using it was hiding the camera.
And best of all, Its free!!
You need motion detectors and insurance (Score:3, Informative)
The insurance is to recover your loss should anything happen. (Get a general policy which doesn't limit the cause of your loss. [Theft, fire, flood and accident apartment/condo/house insurance is good coverage.])
Then you want to put up some very visible signs in all the windows saying "Protected by video, motion detectors and patrolled by security guards.
You might want to buy a bunch of camera mounts (the silvered half-dome kind,) and place them strategically around the perimeter of your dwelling high enough to keep them safe. (12 or so feet off the ground and 12 or so feet from any opening.)
Whether you get real motion detectors or not is immaterial.
The impression will be that the house next door is less hazardous to break into than yours.
Remember, you're insured...
Home burglary is dead (Score:5, Informative)
Home burglary is almost dead. What's to steal? Any TV that can be easily carried has zilch resale value. Anything with a CRT has negative value; you have to pay the recycling center to take it. Used computers have little value. Nobody keeps much cash around any more. Cell phones are usually in someone's pocket. Who has real silverware today? Used kitchen appliances are nearly worthless. Same for used clothing. Used furniture? No market there.
In the current recession, pawnshops are currently choked with stuff they can't sell, so unloading stolen property is tough.
I just looked at the crime map for my area, which is an urban area of about 100,000 people, ranging from very poor to very rich. About ten burglaries in the last month, and only one was a residence. The rest were break-ins into vehicles. There were more attempted burglaries with arrests than successful ones.
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Layers... (Score:3, Informative)
1. Plant Japanese Bitter Orange under and in front of all your windows. Try to get the flying dragon cultivar. (No, I'm not kidding. Google it.)
2. Get a motion sensor and a recording of a dog barking. Put speaker in metal garbage can on your roof. Your neighbors will hate you but no one will come near your house.
3. Get good insurance. You will find that the discount for burglar alarms is minimal.
4. Stay away from monitored alarms. Most are crooked.
Monitored Security Systems are Crap (Score:5, Informative)
When we signed up for $240/yr monitoring, I left specific instructions. "If the alarm goes off, call the police directly, not us or any contact. I will pay any false alarm fine. I live 2 min from the police station, so there is a chance of actually catching someone. Is this OK?" The answer was "You are the customer"
So, we went on holidays, game my mom the code, and a passcode if she tripped the alarm. Warned her that if she did expect the boys in blue. She is 81, was nervous and sure enough she tripped the alarm. So instead of cops, the security company called the house. My mom was flustered, couldnt answer the security question, but the monitoring agency figured she was too old to be a crook and told her how to reset the alarm. They couldn't understand why I was furious and canceled, after all they saved my mom an embarrassment.
so now, I purchased a couple of IP cameras that motion sense and an email to my gmail with a picture. As long as I have my phone, I see who is entering within a few minutes or less (typically 20s). Also makes it very hard for your kids to lie about what time they came home. The 4 cameras cost me $80 each on ebay, and I connected them to my wireless network. I can also at anytime now log into a web page and monitor the surroundings. So even in bed, I grab my iPhone, and have a look outside if I hear a noise.
We also did the 2 big black dogs. They are now part of the family and a great deterrent.
My 2 cents (Score:3, Informative)
Full disclosure: I've been an alarm monitoring operator for 5 or so years now. I don't live in the US, I don't work for a company that operates in the US, so I have no way to financially benefit from helping the majority of /. users. The stuff I mention here I know well, but one thing I haven't a clue about is the home automation side of things.
Deterrants:
Large work boots, leaving lights on and such are helpful deterrants. Security stickers help, but no so much as most houses have them. A good idea that I didn't see mentioned in the comments, if you're not keen on getting an alarm is to get just the external siren of the alarm and stick that on the outside of the house. Don't get one of the metal ones, get one of the polycarbonate / plastic ones instead. No reputable companies have used the metal ones for years now, and a lot of burglars seem to know this. Again things like fences & dogs are also excellent deterrants. Although fences can act as cover so a burglar can muck around all they like trying to get a window open, without being noticed by neighbours.
Alarms:
I've encountered heaps of attempted break ins throughout my career. The vast majority of burglars will freak out and run once they hear a very loud siren screaming at them. Most of them get so scared by it that they drop everything in the process. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say this is what happens about 90% of the time. Even though it's far from a guarentee that you'll stop them in their tracks, it does make an excellent deterrent. I'd avoid the off the shelf junk you get from electronics stores and the likes, as they're usually total garbage. They're always either unstable, don't live long enough to be worth it, don't detect when someone does get into the house, or they drive the neighbours nuts false activating. You can buy a good, high quality unit from fleabay if you're feeling adventurous. I don't know how big your house is, but if you don't think you'll require more then 7 sensors now or in the future, the Bosch Solution 880 is a good buy and I see them frequently on eBay for cheap in a kit. You'll require some basic knowledge of electronics like being able to read some basic "this is how you wire this" diagrams in the install manual, and some basic DIY skills. It's a fairly easy system to install though, some of them are very hard for those who haven't got experience specifically with alarms. If you want something bigger / different set of requirements then email me (via bahamut.kicks-ass.org/contact/ - sorry but work know my email and I'd rather they didn't find this via google) and I'll let you know of something suitable.
I would avoid wireless sensors & remotes. Remotes not so much, but sensors definately. Interferance from aircraft, scaffolds, trees that cause RF interference whenever it rains, crappy light switches, aircraft, and a bunch of other obscenely weird stuff can all cause problems. It's not that common, but it does happen.
If you do buy a kit make sure it includes the panel (pcb, transformer & the case), battery, a couple of wired sensors, a keypad, a peizo / internal siren & a plastic / polycarbonate external siren (the one with the light) & CABLE! A lot of traders won't mention anything about the lack of cable in the ad, leaving you kind of screwed. Another thing I see them do is say "we'll install it for you if it's too hard" - be careful of that, they'll often way overcharge on labour to make up for the rock bottom cost of the hardware. I've seen them dump the install manuals that come with the alarm, and replace it with their own much crappier version so that it's more likely that they come crying for help. Most alarm manuals you can get online fairly easily though. Stay away from used alarms on ebay, they're almost always FUBAR'ed.
Alarm Monitoring:
This can be somewhat of a waste of time and money. Monitoring is often cheap, and the price is really reflected in the quality of their service. Most modern alarms can be hooked up to a l
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Exactly. Putting up theif deterrants in the form of monitoring systems only attract thieves.
If you want DIY home security - put bars on windows where your firecode allows, make sure you've got deadbolts on every door - the kind that need a key from both the inside and outside (so they don't break the window and reach in) - and make sure the blinds are closed, so people can't go inside.
A camera doesn't make your house any more secure. Surveilance is not truly a form of security, it's a form of prosecution.
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You do realize that most doors can be kicked down by a moderately healthy guy? Many people have locks on their doors that are worth more than the door. If a person is going the route of barring windows and buying good locks for the door, we better remind them to really LOOK AT their door. Is that door really suitable for use as a security device, or is it more suitable for a dressing room, as prevention of voyeurism? What holds the door and it's frame to the studs in the wall? What secures the door itse
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DEfinition of "home security" (Score:4, Informative)
I totally agree. You can probably choose peace of mind cheaper than by putting up home security. But where's the fun in THAT ?
What I did was ask myself: What do I want to secure, and how can I go about doing that.
In my neck of the woods, home invasions, natural disasters and similar stuff is exceedingly rare, so my protection revolves mostly around physical access (thieves), crime prevention, identification and ofcourse with the modern day "smart house", also data access.
While my budget wasn't exactly small, it was also not unlimited. So what I did was oder some cheap megapixel IP cameras. They hook up just nice to a simple linux box through a PoE switch. That pretty much takes care of identification. Should anyone like to come near my house, they're on record doing so. Most criminals dont want to get caught, so they avoid places that has cameras. Dont scrimp and buy a dummy. Thieves are NOT dummies, they know the difference.
Crime prevention is a bit harder. The idea here is to deter offenders, and have them choose another target. Cutting down bushes to allow neighbors to see your doors and windows will help a lot. Thieves and other criminals prefer to work unnoticed. Getting a dog helps. As does stuff like a gate or similar access control systems that might deter thieves that pull up with a moving truck and clean you out under the guise of being movers. Also lock up your shed and tools whenever you're not using them. Many thieves use your own tools for breaking into your house. Leaving a crowbar next to your front door is nearly as good as leaving the key in the lock. Alarm systems might work aswell. Some thieves will shy away from them because it's easier to find a place with lesser security. Marking valuables with your name or or identfying marks will generally make thieves less likely to want your stuff, it'll be harder to fence.
Securing physical access is more expensive, and cannot stand alone. Given enough time anyone can circumvent physical access blocks. But using them in conjuction with say, an alarm system that doesnt give a thief enough time to complete his obejctive will normally help. Locking up valuables in a safe is a good idea, but keeping the combination on the fridge door, not so much. Close windows when you're not at home. Use security glass, or film on your windows to prevent entry. Use two or three locks on your doors. Safety doors are also usefull. Hide stuff from plain sight, a thief will not (usually) know where you put your stuff.
Personal safety, also important to some. With an alarm, you can also have an emergency response call button. These are pretty much standard. Keep it near/on you at all times if you're living in a high risk area/situation. Learning self defense is also easy and cheap. While I dont condone the use of weapons against people as a matter of principle, this may be needed in really bad areas. Use the lockdown mode on your alarm system at night or when you're not expecting company. Again, buy a dog. Dogs are easily trained to protect you.
Computer safety: Well, the best firewall I ever saw was 3 feet of air. Good luck hacking a non connected network. Unfortunately, most people dont consider living offline an option. So keep strong passwords, use encryption when possible (with a different password), and change your passwords whenever you suspect someone has gotten a hold of it. Never use the same password for a lot fo serives. In general, hackers will try the "guessed" password on a LOT of services. Also install and keep up to date a firewall, anti spyware and anti virus software. Security through obscurity is also an option. I have yet to see a single virus on say... OS/2.... Downside is, I've also rarely seen any decent software ;)
Also, use threaded internet services. While wireless seems cool, it's merely one more way to hack into your system.
But like I said: Figure out your needs before you decide what's the solution.
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I don't care how much of a geek someone is, DIY is almost always inferior when talking about anything complicated and physical.
DIY website? Sure. DIY car? No.
Yes! [factoryfive.com]
DIY coffee table? Cool. DIY baby monitor? Bad.
Really DIY baby monitor you consider complicated? Turn in that geek card.
DIY pointless electronics project with blinking LEDs? LOL nerd. DIY pacemaker? LOL dead.
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What about that whole philosophical impact of having
Re:obvious suggestions (Score:4, Insightful)
> I'd rather be sued for 2 years than have to kill someone.
Agree with the basic sentiment of preferably not killing anyone ever. But are you really sure about that? Perhaps when asked again *at the end* of those two years? Or *at the end* of 20 years, when you still have half your pay check seized for the damages awarded to the intruder(s family), even though he went out of his way to mess with you, had the worse outcome of the fight but a better lawyer in court?
...mixed with snake-oil (Score:3, Insightful)
So, I read the FAQ.
It's atomized pepper. Does that mean they actually break down the molecules? Apparently so as without cleaning up (it's optional!) there is no harm for humans, cats and dogs after three to four hours. Your toddler and pets will appreciate this fact as they are a lot closer to the ground when that stuff is stirred up again and again.
Also, even though it is a fine-grained powder based on pepper, it's not flammable.
That, or the FAQ is a steaming pile of lies and half-truths.