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Slashdot Asks: Free Upgrade To Windows 10 Ends Today: What's Your Thought On This? 503

Exactly one year ago, Microsoft released Windows 10 to the general public. The latest version of company's desktop operating system brought with it Cortana, and Windows Hello among other features. While users have lauded Windows 10 for performance improvements, the Redmond-based company's aggressive upgrade tactics have spoiled the experience for many. Whether it was installing Windows 10 on computers without users' consent, or eating up tons of bandwidth for users who couldn't afford it, or whether it was deceptive dialog boxes, Microsoft definitely deserves a lot of blame -- and rightfully, a bunch of lawsuits. But many of these things, hopefully, will end today -- July 29, 2016 (or to be exact, Saturday morning 5:59am EDT / 2:59am PDT) Today is officially the last day when eligible Windows 7 and Windows 8 computers could be upgraded to Windows 10 for free of charge. After this, an upgrade to Windows 10 will set you back by at least $119.
We asked you a couple of weeks ago whether or not would you recommend someone to update their computer to Windows 10, and the vast majority of you insisted against it. What's your thought on this now? Those who opt out of updating to Windows 10 will also miss the Anniversary Update -- and its features -- which Microsoft plans to release on August 2 for free of charge.
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Slashdot Asks: Free Upgrade To Windows 10 Ends Today: What's Your Thought On This?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:42PM (#52607529)

    Oh thank god, another Windows 10 story!
    I was getting worried we might go a day without one.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Windows 10 is like Donald Trump, no one likes it, but we keep hearing about it.

  • Same As Before (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:43PM (#52607535)

    My thoughts are the same as I've expressed before on these Windows 10 stories.
    I'll describe them in detail again.

    Fuck MS.

    • Re:Same As Before (Score:5, Insightful)

      by prograsm ( 1863096 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:00PM (#52607695)
      My thoughts are similar: The OS is nice, it's as usable an OS as Microsoft has made. But there's a reason Microsoft made it propagate like a zombie outbreak. People don't want it. MS has to know there are serious issues with the direction decision makers are taking the company when one of their more tolerable new friendly operating system releases is given away for free and older versions of their product are still preferable. Trying to monetize your customers is not working, M$. Learn from that.
      • Re:Same As Before (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:44PM (#52608567)

        It's not just the veneral disease outbreak aspect of Windows 10 that is bad. Though the itching is pretty annoying. But there were so many gawdawful design decisions. Decisions made that benefit Microsoft while hurting customers, like an automaker who uses corrugated tin for the seats because it's cheaper and keeps the drivers more alert than with cushioned seats (because it felt like the right time for an automobile analogy).

        The default settings for Windows 10 were just plain awful. Their use of a torrent-like method to share Windows 10 with others that was made an opt-out feature. Their extremely bizarre feature to share wifi passwords if your friends already have them (later removed when MS sobered up). Their spyware, and their methods of bypassing the hosts file to make sure it's hard to block this. Their repeat of the IE mistake by making Cortana integrated and supposedly unable to be removed (just the name Cortana is a stupid idea, it's from a lousy xbox game that the majority of enterprise users will never have heard of). And the biggest hugest fuckup of them all, the inability to skip updates, even the pointless updates unrelated to security, the automatic reboot of your machine by default in the middle of doing your work or playing your game just because Microsoft thought it was a good time for an update.

    • Re:Same As Before (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Killall -9 Bash ( 622952 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:03PM (#52607727)
      19% market share for an OS that has been free for a year is fucking pathetic.
      • Re:Same As Before (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:09PM (#52607779)

        19% market share for an OS that has been free for a year is fucking pathetic.

        so tru :-D.

        same can be sed about da market share of linux on the desk, free for 25 years.. 2% share.. lmfao.

        Win7 4 life

        • 19% market share for an OS that has been free for a year is fucking pathetic.

          so tru :-D.

          same can be sed about da market share of linux on the desk,

          But Linux has not been pushed onto people's desktops from a Win7/8 stepping stone like Win10 has. I am amazed if Win10 has only 19% share - I'd thought it was nearly unavoidable for non-experts.

          • Re:Same As Before (Score:4, Interesting)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:06PM (#52608237)

            Speaking as small tech support shop, I've had non-technical people willing to pay me to go back to whatever they had before. And I'm not counting the ones that had genuine problems with Win10 (Sound/USB/Networking not working, program incompatibility, etc). Fortunately the rollback feature usually works and most people got the computer to me within the month, so only a few customers actually had to pay full repair rates.

            TL;DR - people will pay to NOT have Windows 10

      • I would say it is on par... Most computer users are savvy enough to understand that if your computer is working okay, don't mess with it.
      • by gweilo8888 ( 921799 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:36PM (#52608511)
        Windows 10: The World's Least Successful Commercial Virus.
  • Relief! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:44PM (#52607539)

    Now I can get back to the normal update cycle without worrying about getting Windows 10 accidentally on my part.

    • You got it.
      Some of their other updates have broken my system, but at least they back themselves out again automatically (and in again, and out . . . far be it for me to speculate on the sex life of the peons in Redmond)

    • Re:Relief! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:04PM (#52608225)

      No, I think that's forever ruined.
      They can't install Windows 10, but they can add all sorts of spyware to what you have via system updates, and they have already tried.
      So from now of you will need to have automatic updates off and actually check up on each update before installing.

      I have about a half-dozen I'm preventing from installing now because one of them causes my Firefox to crash all the time. Not sure which one, most of them are security-related regarding graphics drivers or something like that. All I know is, Firefox stayed running before I installed them and once it started crashing uninstalling them fixed it.

      I might say something to Microsoft, but their response it either going to be blaming Firefox or saying I have to update to Windows 10 to fix it.

    • Now I can get back to the normal update cycle without worrying about getting Windows 10 accidentally on my part.

      "Would you like to upgrade to Windows 11 Alpha Preview?"

  • by Man On Pink Corner ( 1089867 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:45PM (#52607549)

    BSD: Free as in speech

    Linux: Free as in beer

    Windows 10: Free as in herpes

  • But that version of Windows 10 is not available without volume licensing. I know that hacks exist to upgrade Windows 10 pro to enterprise, but they carry the caveat that your license key is not a real one.
    • Microsoft is supposedly going to be making the Enterprise version available to everyone through subscription licensing. $7/month or some such.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        That would be good. Because I am not sure I can be Windows-free until 2020, and the Enterprise Edition of Win10 would be the only one I would even consider for replacing my Win7 Pro. Disabling telemetry completely must be possible. Refusing updates must be possible. Getting rid of Cortana permanently must be possible. $7/Month would not be an issue though.

  • Dont care (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ubi_NL ( 313657 ) <jorisNO@SPAMideeel.nl> on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:47PM (#52607567) Journal

    I moved to osx (with all its own flaws) and linux when windows 8 was introduced. As long as my employer is slow in adapting windows 10, and as i have no control that except quitting, i just simply cannot be bothered.

    • Re:Dont care (Score:4, Informative)

      by OzPeter ( 195038 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:35PM (#52607993)

      I moved to osx

      Have you ever run something like Little Snitch and seen the ton of places that OS X wants to connect to? It's a real eye-opener

  • You can install Windows 10 Threshold 2 images with Windows 7 and Windows 8.x keys. I bet they will continue to activate these installs.

  • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:51PM (#52607605) Journal
    I'm still on XP until I finally get around to putting some version of Linux on the machine. I didn't want Win10 for free, I'm sure as hell not paying for it, either. If I wanted to be spied on and watched like a criminal in prison or an animal in a zoo exhibit, I'd go live in a tent near any major intersection in America in full view of the cameras and microphones.
  • by TimSSG ( 1068536 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:51PM (#52607607)
    It is NOT as bad as I feared; but, it is slower than I hoped it would be. Windows 7 was faster; maybe after I defrag the speed will go up. I now have to check and see which programs fail to work. NOTE: If you have a NON windows software firewall installed; you really likely need to uninstall it before upgrading. NOTE2: The TinyWall software firewall front-end did NOT work for me on Windows 10; even though their website says it should. Tim S.
  • by Sowelu ( 713889 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:54PM (#52607631)

    They keep removing management features, they keep forcing weird searches on users, they are slowly crippling Steam in favor of their app store -- am I really just seeing the negative stuff when it's not so bad, or is there some major Stockholm Syndrome going on? I'm pretty happy with Windows 7 on my nine-year-old gaming laptop that's slowly flaking out and has finally stopped keeping up with new releases.

    I've heard you can activate your old license key for Windows 10 without upgrading your machine...is that viable if you want to apply it to a new computer, or is it tied to the hardware like Win 7 licenses?

    • OEM licenses are not transferable. If you got Windows 7 with your machine, it's an OEM license. If you upgrade to Windows 10, it's still an OEM license.

      Honestly, stick with Windows 7 for the time being. There is very little in Windows 10 that could be considered compelling unless you have a specific use case that Windows 10 happens to satisfy, but with all the continually accumulating negatives, that use case would have to be pretty darn serious and specific to justify either losing control of your machi

    • they are slowly crippling Steam in favor of their app store

      How so? I haven't heard this before.

  • Win-10 is a marketing tool disguised as an operating system,
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      And that is the problem. The Enterprise Edition is now the only one even worth considering.

  • Well... (Score:4, Informative)

    by MitchDev ( 2526834 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @01:56PM (#52607651)

    ...if it means M$ stops trying to force/trick people into "upgrading", GOOD!

  • I am really interested to see how all the activations shake out over the next couple of weeks or months.

    Some things I am looking forward to seeing

    - Those that grabbed their "entitlement" to Windows 10 then reverted to Windows 7. Will it work out ok when they do upgrade?
    - Retail box copies that are not tied to hardware but were used to gain Windows 10 for free. Will Windows 10 move without issue to new hardware over the coming years?
    - Those running insider preview builds for the last year. Will they be able

    • Another scenario which I am curious about:

      - People that upgrade today within the promotion period but then don't full update. Windows 10 will not activate unless it is 100% up-to-date on the latest build so, tomorrow will the activation cost money even though they installed today?

  • Thank f__king god (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ilsaloving ( 1534307 )

    Now get that god damn icon off my computers.

  • This exact Ask Slashdot has already been done at least three times. The answer isn't different: Don't upgrade if you don't want Microsoft constantly spying on you and tampering with your computer and splicing in and out features.
  • I am liking Windows 10 in general as it is a rather lean and quick Windows-version, boots real quick and all. I also like having DX12 for when games start to come out that support it. There just isn't a better OS for someone who enjoys modern gaming.

    Alas, I seriously despise Microsoft's way of pushing the free upgrade and how many people it has caused nothing but trouble and even financial losses. I am also disliking the constant push for ever more stalking of people's activities, lying about Edge being so

  • Depends (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Comboman ( 895500 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:01PM (#52607705)
    If you currently have Windows 8/8.1, there's no harm in upgrading and getting back the start menu. If you currently have Windows 7, you should probably stick with it.
    • You can get back the start menu with Classic Shell. You can't make the OS stop spying on you or force driver updates.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      With 8.1 you can easily avoid installing the back-ported spyware. With Windows 10 it's baked in and mandatory, with no off switch. That's why I'm sticking with 8.1. It's got plenty of life left in it, reasonable variable DPI support and good security.

      I had some Windows 7 machines until this year, but there seem to be issues with networking that Microsoft isn't interesting in fixing now. Network shares taking a long time to open initially, stuff like that.

    • I hated the windows 10 start menu, it in no way is the same as the Windows 7 version. Like how they went from simple XP start menu to the ugly Windows 7 novice-mode start menu, going to Windows 10 start menu is as big or a bigger change (but not better).

  • I just wish they would bring Media Center back.....

  • A non-issue, really (Score:2, Informative)

    by jbarr ( 2233 )

    We upgraded at home a while back, and we just completed all upgrades at work. Non issue in almost all cases, and for those few that were at issue at work, we resolved all upgrade issues.

    At work, it was a no-question decision, because all business-critical programs are Windows-based (Office, Dynamics AX, SharePoint, etc.) Non-Microsoft options are simply not in the cards for the foreseeable future. I'd love to see a transition to Open Source applications, but they just don't exist when it comes to several sp

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      Will Quicken run under WINE?

      • by ewhac ( 5844 )
        Depends on which of the 69 bazillion versions you're referring to, and where you got it from, but overall the answer appears to be Yes. [winehq.org]
  • by ThatsNotPudding ( 1045640 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:12PM (#52607809)
    THAT is my thought on Windows 10. I'll pass.
  • It'll be free again. Limited time" is just a marketing gimmick, proven to work on some folks.

  • There are four Windows machines in active use in the household, all running Windows 7, none being upgraded (one isn't up to it anyway). When MS will stop servicing Windows 7 with security updates, I'll check my options again, independently for each machine. If Microsoft hasn't completely changed its course until then, the top options to be thoroughly checked will be Linux and OS X. Only if it cannot avoided at all for a machine, I'll make the update then. Even a small chance of never having to do it is wort

  • really? I sure the fuck don't.

  • by shawnhcorey ( 1315781 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:20PM (#52607861) Homepage
    Windows? Do they still make that?
  • After that, you always have an option to reinstall Windows 10 on the same machine if you need any of the new features. In terms of keeping it? I primarily care about a stable client for running Steam and Windows 10 is not optimum because of game-interrupting updates, notifications and other background activity.

  • by GoodNewsJimDotCom ( 2244874 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:46PM (#52608087)
    Fools! You didn't upgrade despite our trying the best to be jerks about it! We'll get your family pictures one way or another... By the way, we'll still use dirty tricks to force you to upgrade to 10, and we'll send out to debt collection to get you to pay now.
  • I've skipped Windows since XP (on my personal home computing devices; at work is another matter).

  • I'm thinking I hope it sends a message that I did not upgrade a single one of mine or my family's licenses. Not that we use Windows, but if we did, I would not endorse the changes they are making and the ugly service and telemetry hooks, as well as the predatory approach with UWP and the Windows Store.

  • Oh noes! (Score:5, Funny)

    by hattable ( 981637 ) on Friday July 29, 2016 @06:04PM (#52609461) Homepage Journal
    I missed it! How did I not get a notification or something? Was it a feature you had to enable?
  • by Tetch ( 534754 ) on Sunday July 31, 2016 @10:35PM (#52618875) Journal

    Free Upgrade To Windows 10 Ends Today: What's Your Thought On This?

    I'm very pleased for my friends and relatives that the continual harassment from Microsoft to do "something that sounds scary and sinister" will now end.

    As for me, I couldn't care less .... I use only Linux for my day-to-day needs (the only gaming I do these days is Tetris and Mahjongg), though I keep a copy of XP in a VM for those rare occasions I need to run a Win32 app. I have Doom 3 installed on a real metal WinXP somewhere here .... never finished it ..... got bored by all the dim lighting ..... maybe I'll finish that one day. At least it didn't "require a Steam connection", and therefore Internet connectivity.

    I thought about buying a copy of Win7 Pro while you still could (well it is quite a nice product if you can get it at a reasonable price), but in the end just couldn't face the continual struggle with Microsoft's dirty tricks department over whose PC it is. They made it perfectly clear they would bolt on telemetry to Win7 & 8.x, and would try ever tricksier ways to force download the Win10 files over my link onto my hard drive, and fool me into starting the upgrade, which were only circumventable by switching off all security updates and maintaining constant hyper-vigilence. I have enough stress in my life, without that nonsense. F*ck that. Out here, we are free, and the air smells good.

    So I say hooray for the end of free Win10 upgrades :)
    "And tap into America ! [youtube.com]" .... (sorry - wrong link, I know, but it'll do)

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