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Ask Slashdot: How Will 2019 Look To People 20 Years From Now? 338

Here's an interesting thought exercise from Slashdot reader dryriver : What is likely to be so different about living in 2039 that it makes our current present in 2019 feel badly dated in many ways? And can we learn lessons about what we are not doing particularly well today in 2019 -- in the technology field for example -- by imagining ourselves looking back at a long bygone 2019 from 20 years in the future...?

Will everything from our current clothing, 4K 2D TVs and film VFX to our computer games, Internet, cars, medical care options and tech gadgets look "terribly dated" to them? Will people in 2039 look at us from their present and think "why couldn't they do X, Y, Z better in 2019?", just as we tend to look 20 years back and wonder "why couldn't they do X, Y, Z better in 1999?"

The original submission argues that "If we could understand today how we look 'from 20 years in the future', including the mistakes we are making compared to how things are (possibly) done in 2039, we might get a better understanding of how we should be doing things today."

So leave your own thoughts in the comments. How will 2019 look to people 20 years from now?
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Ask Slashdot: How Will 2019 Look To People 20 Years From Now?

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  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @03:36AM (#59222570)

    But less shit than 2039.

  • by Archtech ( 159117 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @03:43AM (#59222578)

    "To A Louse, On Seeing One on a Lady's Bonnet at Church"

    O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as ithers see us!
    It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
    An' foolish notion:
    What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
    An' ev'n devotion!

    - Robert Burns, 1786

  • Cold (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pascal Sartoretti ( 454385 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @03:53AM (#59222594)
    In 20 years from now, 2019 will look as the good old times when the effects of global warming were still easy to live with.
  • Even if you knew everything that is wrong and how to improve on it, the biggest mistake would be to try and get from A to B in no time. It would be like turning up the heat to a thousand degrees because you don't have time to wait for the cake to bake.
  • by The Creator ( 4611 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:06AM (#59222628) Homepage Journal

    They will look back on us and wonder how we could be so blind to the polarization of society that lead to violence. How people could be so focused on the vilification of their political opponents that they couldn't notice that their own faction was getting extreme too.

    They will be horrified that we didn't learn from history, and they will fear that they themselves will fall for the trap someday.

    It's an insidious trap for people to fall in to, everyone is too afraid to admit the opposition had a point about something, because they will be accused of being one of the others and be attacked by their own.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:58AM (#59223672) Journal

      They will look back on us and wonder how we could be so blind to the polarization of society that lead to violence.

      I suspect it will get worse. Polarization started with cable "news", and increased with the Internet. More sources of info means people can find somebody who tells them exactly what they want to hear using the same tricks marketers use to sell populations expensive designer sugar-water that takes 9 cents to make.

      I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but civil war and political strife will probably be more common.

  • by NotTheSame ( 6161704 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:11AM (#59222638)

    We had CPUs running at 1GHz, Slashdot, mobile phones.

    Now we have smartphones and social media. We don't buy music any more. Everyone has high-speed internet and big flat screen TVs. 3.5 GHz processors. 20 years ago, I was expecting a lot more from tech than actually happened.

    20 years from now? Electric cars will be commonplace, self-driving cars will be "almost ready". Phones will be slightly thinner.

    • 20 years from now? Electric cars will be commonplace, self-driving cars will be "almost ready". Phones will be slightly thinner.

      And flying cars still 20 years away.

    • We had CPUs running at 1GHz... Now we have... 3.5 GHz processors.

      Obviously in the future we'll also fail to recognize the difference between clock cycles and actual performance.

      • by xonen ( 774419 )

        In 1999 my computer booted in about .. 20 seconds. 2019 my computer boots in about.. 20 seconds. Sending emails was just fast. Browsing the web was just fine as long you'd have cable or DSL. My cable costed around $40 with a download speed of 8-15Mbps in 1999 (dsl was a bit slower), which was more than enough for a proper browsing experience. We didn't have youtube (yet) but we did have Google, yahoo, instant messengers, a small DIY linux server at home, pretty much everything that makes the web today as it

        • by Junta ( 36770 )

          I'm just saying, not _that_ much has changed since 1999.

          On the desktop, sure the overall experience is fundamentally similar, albeit more fleshed out. The time for fundamental change in the desktop experience was pretty settled by 2002 or so (by which point desktop users were confidently on modern architecture kernels). We have much faster systems than back then and while we are doing largely the same things the same way, things are at least visually very different. Online streaming is one of the areas where things are dramatically different than 20 years ago.

          Fo

        • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *

          and done by a 9600 baud modem using a PC

          Only if you were rich, a large corporation or an institution. Most of us plebs were still using 300/1200 modems (I would still access CompuServe at 300 baud to save money) unless you were feeling particularly well off or flush and you paid $400 or so for a 2400 baud modem... But 9600 entering into everyday use pretty much got skipped (not because the tech wasn't available but because of surcharges from hosts and networks) and bumped directly to 14400 when that "internet thing" started catching on, mid-1990'

      • Please explain how today's "actual performance" impacts in any way on the (elided) statement you mocked.

        As to your snark - so did he, you just clipped it out.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:05AM (#59222848) Homepage Journal

      In 1995 there was a special episode of the BBC TV programme "Tomorrow's World", which covered new inventions and speculated about the future, on the subject of life in 2020. So only five years more than we are being asked to predict here.

      They expected self driving cars to be common already. Beds would be replaced by some kind of force field that let you levitate. No real appreciation of what the internet would become, just the usual stuff like video calls but from a hard wired phone.

      • To be fair, video calls is one long-held sci-fi prediction that has finally come to feasibility and widespread availability.
  • They'll look back in amazement at how intolerant people were to people with another political opinion.

  • Offensive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by kiwioddBall ( 646813 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:18AM (#59222646)

    We are offending someone right now with something we are doing, but they won't tell us about it until 2039. The funny thing is that they probably aren't offended right now, but we my be arrested for it in 2039.

    • but we my be arrested for it in 2039

      I keep hearing these complaints, and while I agree that people are getting fired or boycotted for being politically incorrect, I never heard about someone getting arrested for it. Care to prove me wrong?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Laws aren't retroactive, you can't be arrested for doing something that is currently legal and later made illegal.

      All the current historic abuse stuff was illegal at the time.

      • Laws aren't retroactive, you can't be arrested for doing something that is currently legal and later made illegal.

        "Currently" Change the law and you change that sentence. Something we always need guard against.

      • Re:Offensive (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Dunbal ( 464142 ) * on Sunday September 22, 2019 @08:52AM (#59223216)

        Laws aren't retroactive

        Laws aren't SUPPOSED to be retroactive. Pay attention to some of the shit that's happening today.

        • Laws aren't retroactive

          Laws aren't SUPPOSED to be retroactive. Pay attention to some of the shit that's happening today.

          Please name even one example.

  • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:20AM (#59222648)

    First off, let's not kid ourselves, 2039 will be very similar to 2019. TVs will be common, though 720p and 1080p tvs will still be selling. Usable VR headsets will finally be almost out. More people will own cars with active safety features. We may have a few advances medically. Cancer and many infectious diseases will be more curable. We may even have some signs of being able to turn things around in fighting autoimmune diseases. I expect there will be stronger proofs that fusion as a viable energy source is possible and steps will be taken to make it happen. Thats about the only differences I expect.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @08:50AM (#59223212) Homepage

      TVs will be common, though 720p and 1080p tvs will still be selling.

      I doubt that, just like nobody sells CRT monitors or non-flat TVs - at least I haven't seen a new one for sale for many years, don't shoot me if they're sold in some weird niche - I think they'll go out of production. Here's the stats from my price comparison site in Norway: 720p: 32, 1080i: 1, 1080p: 114, 4K: 471, 8K: 11. That is to say 76% of TVs for sale are already 4K+. There is one 65" FullHD model from 2016 still for sale the rest is 55" or less, with one exception the 720p models are 32" or less.

      Samsung doesn't have a single FullHD TV in their 2019 lineup, the cheapest of the cheap is the RU7100 series that is still 4K. Same with LG, cheapest is the SM8500 series but that's 4K too. Phillips and Sony has one FullHD model at the bottom of their range each and there's probably a few stragglers from cheap knock-off brands, but I think it's only a matter of time before they go extinct. I'm thinking five more years until they stop making new ones plus five for them to disappear off the market so I doubt you'll find one new already in 2029.

    • 2039 will be very similar to 2019

      This! 20 years is not a long time for a step change in anything. When I think back to turn of the century to where we are now is there really a big difference? I suppose phones changed, the rest of the world was just on a continuous path in an obvious direction. There will probably be one or two changes in technology but on a larger and social scale things don't change in such a short time period. That said in those continuous changes, no there won't be any 720p TVs on the market.

      Now on a 50 year timeframe

  • Either they would be more outgoing and would be shocked that we choose to spend so much time in front of porn and instagram instead of actually going out, or they would be so sterile that they wouldn't understand why we didn't spend even more time in front of porn and Instagram instead of going out.

  • The pendulum will have swung back from neoliberal "the market rules" to social democratic "big safety net". People will look back on our time in something like the same way that we look back on Victorian factory owners who got rich by exploiting child labour.

    This is a change in degree, not kind; every developed economy is somewhat social democratic. Even the USA has minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps etc. The debate is not whether these things are necessary, rather it is a ques

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:58AM (#59222702)

    2019 will be looked back upon with the same kind of wistfulness we look back upon 1999 today, thinking how easy everything was back then.

    In 2039, the internet will be mostly a one-way medium, much like TV is already today. You will have a few large corporations that control mostly how you can use it, with something akin to the FCC (under control of those corporations) decides who may or may not publish content and create public servers. This will be done as a reaction to fake news getting completely out of hand and it's decided that anyone wanting to publish anything on the internet has to offer a verified name (either of himself or an organization being responsible for the content). This is also the reason why any user participation is pretty much reduced to "verified" accounts that belong to people or organizations that have identified themselves, for the same reasons. Countries that do not have at least the same strict levels of ID system in place are no longer accessible via internet, also for the same reason.

    After the big 3D-Printer scandal of 2029 where a certain car manufacturer successfully claimed that the sudden spike of car crashes with one of its model was not due to faulty software blocking the brakes but rather that people avoided paying hundreds of dollars for a decorative plasic part that could be printed for a few cents (and nobody taking them to court over it because one of the first actions of newly elected president Zuckerberg that year was to outlaw law suits by consumer groups on behalf of consumers), the last hole where consumers could actually fix anything on their cars themselves was closed. Changing your oil yourself, provided you could still do it because you had an old enough car that doesn't need to have its oil sensor reset, was already banned 2 years earlier for "environmental reasons".

    2019 will also be remembered as the year when you could actually buy some household appliances that didn't need to be registered on the internet with their manufacturer. After more and more software went that way throughout the 2020s where it became virtually impossible to use a computer anymore if it didn't have access to the internet at least once a week, the 2030s were the decade when the rest of the "stuff that uses power" went online. Not as a "may" thing as it was in 2019, but as a "must". That way, TVs link up with your online profile to know what ads to load from their manufacturer site and fridges can provide your insurance with information on what foods you eat to adjust your premiums accordingly with a bonus for healthy eating (read: We jack up the premium and if we find fudge and soda in your fridge, we keep it there). Also, of course, to meter and adjust your power consumption and limit it to environmentally acceptable levels. You might want to not wash your clothing in summer when you need your alotted power for the AC. That way you also get your water consumption down, which means you won't get as many nasty emails from the waterworks for being such a waster.

    Speaking of ACs, there's also good news, Sweden and Finland will have much more agreeable Winters.

    Messing with the data collection done by those appliances will be a federal offense, this is done after the big hacking spree of the 2024 election where state hackers ("most likely Russian" became a very popular internet meme, with the picture of that alien guy with the weird hairdo) caused the election to be repeated in three states after it has been shown that the election machines there were so blatantly manipulated that this time it could not be covered up anymore. In reaction, interfering with ANY machines on the internet has been made a federal offense, which in the usual kid-with-bathwater manner of course also applied to any fridge and toaster. This, as a side effect, also pretty much cleaned up any of those "maker" movements along with any "right to repair" you might still have had.

    Need I go on or do you already want to hang yourself now?

    • by Misagon ( 1135 )

      Speaking of ACs, there's also good news, Sweden and Finland will have much more agreeable Winters.

      I'm quite happy with the winters we have here right now. I don't want them to be any more mild.
      I like real winters, with actual ice and snow: when you could skate and ski, and the snow-covered landscape is beautiful.
      Global warming has already given us more of grey rainy autumn weather than what used to experienced in my childhood years.

      There is a big difference between -5C and above: Below that, there is less m

  • by jonbryce ( 703250 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @05:03AM (#59222718) Homepage

    How does 2009 technology look now?
    Not that different to what we have now, just incremental improvements. Certainly when you compare 1999 technology to 2009, or 1989 to 1999, or 1979 to 1989.
    Fashions will certainly change, and the designs will look a bit dated, but in terms of what they are actually capable of doing, unless there is some big leap forward, and that is impossible to predict, then it looks like we are closer to the end of the current technological revolution than the beginning.

  • Trump in the White House vs Iran U Russia U Turkey [ U China ], US elections in one year, China vs US economies, NK teasing the West, Bolsonaro in Brazil, far right in Italy, alarming global warming, 2019 is an agitated year for sure. I sincerely hope we'll be there to talk about it in 20 years from now.
  • People can't even avoid making the same stupid mistakes they should have learned from from history.

    And now you assume they'll suddenly have the drive, desire, or ability to predict the future in order to avoid mistakes?

    Yeah, good luck with that shit. I'll take Human Ignorance for $500 Alex.

  • Man-buns and fauxhawks will be out. Only the forgotten gods know what they'll come up with by then.
  • How could they let ordinary people just drive a ton of metal freely around in public, at high speeds, with no way to override what they were doing? Sounds absolutely lethal!

  • In 20 years people will look back at us with extreme anger. Luckily I'll be dead.
  • Something I have waited for for a long time may finally be viewed as backwards and cruel, if for no other reason than the advancement of lab-grown meats and meat substitutes. We are still a long way from actually respecting other animals but I am hoping that eating meat will at least be stigmatized and viewed as something undesirable if nothing else. This year gave me hope that it could happen in my lifetime.
  • We'll know in 20 years or maybe we won't for some reasons, e.g. biological weapons, a new pandemic, a physics experiment which turns the solar system into the void, a huge interstellar meteorite which wipes out most of life on Earth, AGI which decides that human beings are bad/redundant for this planet and proceeds to eliminate us, and plenty other things which could end our species existence.

    In the end there's only now.

  • If we could understand today how we look 'from 20 years in the future', including the mistakes we are making compared to how things are (possibly) done in 2039, we might get a better understanding of how we should be doing things today.

    This is some of the most fatuous logic I've come across. 'If I could mind-read, I'd do better business dealings.' 'If I could see the future I'd avoid the plane/train/car that was going to crash."

    Fucking moronic.

  • Fiber optic internet will be way, way more common. Together with the spread of newer cell phone/WiFi standards and Starlink enabling you to set up a hot spot pretty much anywhere at a much more reasonable rate it'll be lightning fast connections for everyone. Today world literacy is at 86%, subtract 20 years of elderly dying off and add 20 years of youths joining and practically everyone can read and write. Today there are 2.5 billion people who don't have a cell phone and 3.3 billion that don't have Intern

  • ... are always more important than 20 years from now.

    And I bet you 10c that its the same in 20 years time.

  • "Man Who Thought He'd Lost All Purpose In Life Loses Last Additional Bit Of Purpose He Didn't Even Know He Still Had"

  • FORTRAN will still dominate physics ... and COBOL will still dominate finance.

  • China and India will be mass producing small scale walkaway safe Thorium nuclear reactors. Cost of electricity and oil will be in free fall. Everything mobile will be switching to electric power with super fast charging super high capacity batteries. We will be tearing down the windmills that have proven to be high maintenance eyesores and environmental disasters for bird and noise issues. Many will sit idle and abandoned. Global CO2 levels are dropping as are death rates due to disease with many new gene b
  • Will everything from our current clothing, 4K 2D TVs and film VFX to our computer games, Internet, cars, medical care options and tech gadgets look "terribly dated" to them?

    Unless you go side by side, most people would be hard pressed to notice the difference between a 15 year old 1080p video and a 4k video.

    There's no reason to imagine that in 20 years we'll hit anything approaching having enough info to do parallax in video streams or display technologies outside of VR headsets, and stereoscopic without parallax has already been a fad that has subsided.

    Special effects were also good 15 years ago (the main practical difference is that studios are able to do things much faster

  • by sandbagger ( 654585 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @09:02AM (#59223232)

    The year of Linux on the Desktop will nearly be here. Seriously, people will look back at Brexit and say it was the nail in the coffin of British influence in the world and it happened at exactly the same time as a useful idiot was in the White House. Both will have been revealed having had the Russians buttering the stairs in the background.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday September 22, 2019 @09:05AM (#59223242)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by swillden ( 191260 )

      Didn't really do much other than bullshit a lot, no real long term effect on shit, just meh.

      I wish that were true, and I think you're right about his non-effect on domestic policy (yeah, he's trying to roll a lot of stuff back, but it'll be reinstated), but I think Trump has already done serious and irreparable damage to America's place in the world. Our allies will never trust us as much as they did, and Trump is working hard to ensure that China is the leader of the world economy (they probably were on their way there anyway, but he's closed the window on our slim chances).

      OTOH, with regard t

  • The survivors of World War 3 will lament the rise of autocrats across the globe and the ethnonationalists that supported them.

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