Coppermine faster than Athlon? 15
"True, the Wired article does claim that analysts said "it allows Intel to again say that it has the fastest PC chips." But there is no real proof behind this claim.
Below is a list of processor specs of the two chips (provided from UGeek).
Mhz Athlon=700Mhz Coppermine=733Mhz
Bus Speed Athlon=200 Coppermine=133
L1 Cache Athlon=128 Coppermine=32
L2 Cache Athlon=512K(off chip) Coppermine=256K(on chip)
Microns Athlon=.25 Coppermine=.18 Trans Athlon=22 mil Coppermine=28 mil
From these specs, the Athlon possesses the superior archecture. The only reason Coppermine is able to achieve 733Mhz is the 0.18 micron process (the chip simply runs at a cooler temperature). Athlon has an excellent CPU core, a fast FPU, and a superb overclocking ability. Only problem is with the chipsets and motherboards or lack there of. Intel chips are widely supported and have a good overclocking ability, but the archetecture is becoming saturated and out of date. Also, Intel had alot of trouble with the i820/Camino chipset which had delayed its release and all motherboards with the old design have to be destroyed. So the question is, how do you think Coppermine will do? "
Athlon is still faster (Score:2)
Be careful when reading benchmarks, some tests include SSE enhancements without 3dnow! support. Some 3D performance tests use high resolutions to put the bottleneck in the video card and not the cpu (thus decreasing differences). A good reliable source for benchmarks is Anandtech [anandtech.com].
tom's hardware. (Score:1)
Chip Availability (Score:1)
Btw, the athlon is definately faster, the P3 is based on the P2 core which is a few years old (Klamath was released in 97?) P2 +
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I'm running an Athlon (Score:1)
c't tests (Score:1)
200MHz memory? (Score:1)
Re:200MHz memory? (Score:1)
-Lazarus
Athlon vs Coppermine Benchmarks (Score:1)
Tom's Hardware [tomshardware.com] did a Athlon vs Coppermine benchmark on Oct 23. Here are the results:
First of all the i830 chipset wasn't available at the time so Tom used a Apollo Pro 133+ mb.
The results of the first benchmark, SYSMark98 under Win98SE, showed that the Athlon had %4 better performence then the Coppermine at all clock speeds.
The results of the second benchmark, SYSMark98 under WinNT4 showed about equal performence.
Under 3DStudioMax under WinNT SP5 showed that the Athlong was %30 faster then the Coppermine.
Under Quake 3 Arena under Win98SE the Athlon was about %6 slower.
Under Descent3 under Win98SE using OpenGL both chips were about equal in speed.
With Descent3 on DirectX the Athlon was about %3 slower.
In all the Athlon almost always did a bit better then the Coppermine. With the exception of the 3DStudioMax benchmark where the Athlon badly beat the Coppermine.
As for pricing the Athlon is about $60 cheaper.
You can see the full benchmarks here. [tomshardware.com]
K7-550 Linpack Benchmark (Score:1)
Athalon - in thery for SPECint/SPECfp at least (Score:1)
AMD's benchmark pages showed about a 9% lead in integer performance, and 45% in fp (using the SPEC suite of benchmarks) for a P-III and K7 at the same clock speed.
Assuming the coppermine is no better (or worse!) then the other P-III's (an Ok assumption) and everything scales with the clock (wrong, to the extent that there are cache misses) then bumping the P-III clock by 5% (733Mhz vs. 700Mhz) will pull even closer for SPECint, but not catch up, and will still be signifigantly behind on SPECfp.
Note, this is filled with "could be wrong" assumptions. But untill you can benchmark it yourself, it's not a shabby guess.
SMP Athlons (Score:1)
Re:Athlon is still faster (Score:1)
For example, at present, the Athlon chipsets support 100MHz SDRAM (negating part of the advantage of a 200MHz FSB), and they don't have the volume to justify 200MHz SDRAM from the RAM manufacturers, but both the Intel 820 and 840 support Rambus (dual channel 3.2GB/s in the case of the 840). In memory intensive applications, this alone can make an appreciable difference.
Re:Athlon is still faster (Score:1)
Re:Try www.slota.com (Score:1)
If you go checkout www.slota.com [slota.com] it will show in the motherboards section all the different kinds of motherboards for the Althon. In there you will find a mention of Tyan producing a dual Althon motherboard by the first quarter of next year. I'm waiting for the same thing. :)
Actually, the website as a whole is pretty good. But, double check AMD's website. They should have information and especially warnings about the motherboards, power supplys, and memory types.
I ended up making the mistake of grabbing a MSI motherboard and a 700 Althon for my father. MSI's website (www.slota.com [slota.com] has links to the manufactor's sites if available, you won't find them otherwise) advertises the motherboard for Althon's 650 and higher. This isn't the case. Currently, only the Biostar and the Gigabyte board take a 700. Just double check and everything should be ok.
BTW, if you need a place to order the motherboards. Try, www.thechipmerchant.com [thechipmerchant.com] they are pretty reliable, have four types of Althon MBs, and they have some great support.
Good Luck