What's It Like Working For Worldcom? 275
"Is it all white shirts, and singing the company song at 07:00, or is it T-shirts, jeans, company masseur and free donuts ? Do they work you into the ground till you burn out and then cast you aside with the trash, or do they look after you, nurture your career, notice your contribution without you having to sing your own praises the whole time. Are Worldcom folk *happy* and enthusiastic, content to be a valued part of a committed team effort, or are they cogs in a faceless machine, living in isolation and fear of visits from beancounters looking for yet more cost-savings to make for the stock-holders' benefit?"
You've got to be kidding me. (Score:4, Insightful)
Getting info about an employer from a discussion board tends to only draw out the people who want to bitch about it (and all companies have disgruntled employees with horror stories). If you really want to know, go visit the place. Insist on getting walked around before the interview to observe and see if it seems like the sort of environment you'd want to be in.
Re:You've got to be kidding me. (Score:4, Insightful)
However, the person who submitted the story apparently doesn't have the better option(s) available. Asking here shouldn't hurt. So, read Slashdot, go to interview, walk around, try to find someone who's been there.
Re:You've got to be kidding me. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:You've got to be kidding me. (Score:2)
What is on people desks?
What are the people wearing?
whats the mood?
is the restroom clean?(service often begin to feel the effects of change first)
if you need work, take the job and keep looking. sure its not loyal, but if the company thought it could make money by firing you, do you think they would consider loyalty? no.
Completely agree. (Score:1)
Me.
Re:You've got to be kidding me. (Score:2, Insightful)
So, CmdrTaco, whazzup with the irrelevant coverage??
Re:You've got to be kidding me. (Score:2)
Next Ask Slashdot Submissions in the Queue (Score:5, Funny)
2 - Ive decided to go to work today, is that a good descision?
3 - Im watching a really bad show on tv.. im undecided if its ok for me to hit the channel up button, what should I do?
Ya.. this last Ask Slashdot sucks, what does this guy expect..
Re:Next Ask Slashdot Submissions in the Queue (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Next Ask Slashdot Submissions in the Queue (Score:1)
Re:What time is it? (Score:2)
Re:I need to shit... (Score:1)
Well, like any company now a days... (Score:2, Insightful)
See if you can get your 'years of service' in your current company moved to worldcom (hard since its not a buy out) because there are certain benefits that will only kick in with extended time behind out.
As for worldcom themselves as an ISP, they aren't the best, but definitely not the worst.
-Kelt
You'll probably not see any culture... (Score:5, Insightful)
But I don't think it's going to matter much to you. The people I work with that got outsourced got huge (equiv to 6 mos salary) bonuses and generally make 10% higher salary now. Is it saving my company money? Of course not. Outsourcing never does (don't believe that hype--- outsourcing is done so that you can be EXPENDIBLE and FIRED at their whim). But culturally those people didn't change.
As a matter of fact, you have to imagine that the larger consulting firms don't really care about you... you're a number to them, a mercenary for hire, working for them this week. So they don't care. Not only would I not expect anything NICE out of MCI, I wouldn't expect anything much at all...
Re:You'll probably not see any culture... NOTE (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You'll probably not see any culture... NOTE (Score:2, Informative)
Doubt that. WCOM has just now made a major push to fully integrate what's left of uu.net. Basically that means taking all of uu.net and breaking the individual departments up, then placing them under their "twin" within the WCOM structure.
Another problem that I've noticed around here (WCOM) is that of MCI. One of the reasons WCOM was able to buy MCI was because MCI became bloated and fat. They had too many people sitting around doing one person's job. After the buyout, MCI was trimmed, but the bad habits die hard and the fat has only grown.
I've been here for a couple years and feel that I'm in a secure position and department, but that hasn't stopped me from tweaking my resume. I've seen stock options handed out valued at $44.50, but vesting at $21.00, then handed out for the following year at $16 and some odd cents. What's the current street price? Oh, and no raises... not in two years. Being salaried sucks too as several of us typically work at least 20 hours over. Yeah, motivation around here sucks, so does the recognition ("Hey good job, really appreciate it, but can't show it any more than saying 'Great Job'.").
I've enjoyed working here. I'm fortunate to work with a good group of people and a pretty good management chain. I still enjoy what I'm doing, and I get to work with some fairly interesting technology/notions. Just wishing I got more out of it than sore eyes, frustration and stress.
"Maybe I can learn how to be a truck driver. Mav, do you have the number of that truck driving school we saw on TV? 'TruckMaster', I think it is. I might need that..."
Re:You'll probably not see any culture... NOTE (Score:2)
I've watched a number of mergers, acquisitions, and spinoffs. MFS, MCI, EDS. With WCOM/MCI, they were merging the corporate networks even before the merger was completed. Teams on both sides that were deemed redundant were reduced to a skeleton level.
WCOM has had the experience of taking over the network infrastructure department of EDS. They know exactly what they'll need to do in this case, and how the big picture works.
Expect quick movement.
Re:You'll probably not see any culture... NOTE (Score:2)
The downside of the WCOM legacy was that they were probably a little TOO thrifty, and not as professional.
About bad habits/fat grown... a bit, yes. For example, how most all the WCOM's all got pay increases to the MCI levels. And the growth of policies/procedures which slow work down. But legacy MCI has been trimmed in the process.
But don't get me wrong. I absolutely LOVED working at Worldcom, at least where I was. The atmosphere was incredibly good, and I had an awesome manager. I only left when EDS was going to take over my group. After I found out that they didn't run things into the ground, and actually started running IT (and the people) far better than WCOM, I came back to my old job.
Still enjoy it.
There are jobs here which are REALLY GOOD. There are jobs here that REALLY SUCK (be it because of a manager, pay, workload, whatever). But for me, WCOM is a very good experience.
Its a big company. Experiences are going to be hit-and-miss.
BTW... I feel sorry about your stock options. But back in the late 90's, they really panned out for us. One year, my "standard issue of shares" given to average employees panned out to something in the neighborhood of $10,000 after taxes. Bernie believes in giving shares to his employees. Just the market value of the stock recently has ruined that lately.
Re:You'll probably not see any culture... NOTE (Score:2)
Bottom line: it depends. Legacy WCOM is a decent environment. Our dealings with legacy MCI haven't been all that much fun though (caused our most experienced guy to bail, unfortunately).
And yeah, don't even think about the stock options.
take what you can get! (Score:5, Insightful)
better than eating ramen.
Ramen? (Score:1)
Re:Ramen? (Score:1)
Re:Ramen? (Score:2)
Re:take what you can get! (Score:1)
Ask (Score:1)
Oars (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately there's an oar coming through the window. A drummer drums, you grab the oar and row as if your life depends on it. Because (heh heh) IT DOES!
Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:5, Funny)
2. Those that love working at WorldCom will tell you how great it is.
3. You will not know who to trust.
4. The rest of us will be bored out of our minds.
Thank you.
Re:Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:2)
Yeah that's pretty much how it will go
But honestly, I've had lots of jobs in the past, and if they were still all going great obviously I would still be at all of them... that said Worldcom is the only past employer I've had that I would feel the need to publicly bash. They really are rats in the level of how good they try to sound when you're there and how bad they stomp you when it suits them.
Re:Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:2)
If i were joining a new company, I'd want to hear from the people who love it most, and the people who hate it most. That way you can safely assume that your experience will be within those boundaries.
Re:Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:2)
I don't know if my opinion really counts tho.. the department I was in was a seperate company that was purchased and integrated into WCOM. At the time it was a small company, so it was basically just made a department inside of WCOM with almost no changes. The group was an excellent group with great managment (hence why WCOM wanted to purchase them rather than just contract to them).. the job I did required that I worked the midnights shift (I was sorta a program's analyst on a mission critical project that required attention around the clock).. So I worked all night and didn't have to spend much time with the WCOM politics..
Actually, I miss that job most of all.. we were in a HUGE building, full of cubes that was completely empty.. the particular project I was on was only busy about 4 days out of the month, the rest of the time was spent pretty much idle.. we had a total blast.. we'd go through peoples cubes and rearange them.. we'd have cart races down the barren hallways.. we'd take off for hours and go to denny's in the middle of the night.. there was almost no one else in the building, so we were pretty unsupervised and all college age students.. so we had fun fun fun!
IMHO WCOM was a blast to work for.. but I bet your results will vary!
Re:Let me go out on a limb here... (Score:2, Insightful)
So don't read the fucking article. Contrary to popular opinion, not every single byte on Slashdot is required reading. Vote with your eyeballs and read something else if that's at all possible.
Get out while you can (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Get out while you can (Score:1)
I used to work for Worldcom, and they are such a good company, I retired after only 2 years of working there, and im only 25 years old! I had 3 secretaries that were more then willing to provide me with personal 'fringe benefits' as well as a full wetbar right in my office. In fact, they didn't use cubes there, everyone had an office, all 5000 employees. We all got Lamborgini's too. Just make sure you talk to Joe Smith at the front desk, give him that magic handshake, and you'll be setup.
Re:Get out while you can (Score:1)
Re:Get out while you can (Score:2)
Take it with a grain of salt then, but don't be rude. My account of the events is quite truthful. Ask around and talk to the former MCI employees (pre Worldcom takeover), Current EDS employees (who used to be Worldcom employees and were essentially sold to EDS like property), Former Wiltel employees, Former UUnet, etc.... every time Worldcom buys something out, they generally do what they can to put a sugarcoated railspike up the *** of the employees.
Re:Wiltel was not acquired by Worldcom (or was it? (Score:2)
Recently yes, but back in the day, the Wiltel component of Williams was sold off to Worldcom, with a non-compete agreement from Williams for a few years. Once those few years were up, Williams basically started up Wiltel again, which is the new version you're talking about. Don't ask me why, that whole cycle seemed kinda pointless.
old MCI employee (Score:4, Informative)
More evidence that Slashdot has... (Score:1, Flamebait)
Prediction (Score:1)
What makes you so sure? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not ragging on you, but have you gotten any assurances, in writing?
Talisman
Worldcom (Score:2, Informative)
Why? (Score:1)
huh? (Score:1)
What's it like working for Burger King?
- A.P.
Re:huh? (Score:5, Funny)
What's it like working for Burger King?
Hey, just give it another 6-8 months and I'm sure the current batch of Slashdot editors will be able to answer that question.
I used to work there (Score:5, Informative)
~wally
Re:I used to work there (Score:2)
A few possibilities -- I'm sure there are more...
My guess is it kicks in some female instinct that you're just going out to find another cave that smells like estrus, because what else would make a man not stay sleeping...
This is always a possibility. I can assure you that if I was constantly getting called out in the middle of the night, my wife would probably have to suppress some fleeting doubt in her mind. I can't say that I would be any more trusting were the tables turned.
One thing that people always seem to forget is that the reason 24x7 companies have staff "on call" is because they are probably too darn cheap to hire or train full-time staff to work the night shift. It's all in the name of being competitive. You decide whether all of this raises our standard of living.
Re:well said (Score:2)
1) I don't know.
2) If you don't know then I can't explain it to you.
3) Nothing.
Re:well said (Score:2)
Well of course it could never be a problem with her could it.
Bad company move (Score:3, Informative)
As far as I remember, MCI/Worldcom/UU.NET has never shut down a spammer's site that they hosted. They nicely got the dialups under control, but web sites are a different matter entirely. They are very grey, if not almost completely, black hat.
Bull Shit! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bull Shit! - NO (Score:2)
I bet they only shut down spammers who haven't paid pink contract fees.
someone here once gave me the solution to dealing with uu.net. forward all spam to their sales people. funny, it worked. one complaint and the new spammer deletes me from the list. (the spammer doesn't go away - a trap account continues to get the spam, so uu.net does jack)
uu.net is huge, and responsible at one time for 70+% of all spam. granted their network is huge, (basically the entire east coast I believe) but it doesn't excuse their blind eye to spam issues.
also, abuse@uu.net no longer accepts complaints from spamcop. what does that say about them? every read the auto reply from abuse. pretty obvious they don't care.
the only way to solve their spam problem is make the spam a bigger headache than the revenue it generates.
disagree if you like, but I have the emails from uu.net to back it up.
Re:Bull Shit! - NO (Score:2)
A program designed to deliberately forge headers in an attempt to hide the source of the offending email. These programs have no legitimate function.
"There are no 'pink contracts' at UUnet. If you have proof of one post it somewhere. Otherwise, STFU!"
Right. Why does sales refuse to deny their existance, hmmm? Yes I have emails from them, but not on this pc. Generally very evasive, not one outright denial.
"Well, UUnet does accept spamcop reports, they goto abuse-noverbose@uu.net. The 'noverbose' means you will not get a detailed response, just a short message."
No. I now see tags "uu.net does not wish to receive complaints about xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" during the parsing. I forward these to abuse@uu.net and get the blanket statement which means nothing.
Re:Bull Shit! - NO (Score:2)
Why are you asking sales about policy? If sales said there were no pink contracts, would you believe them anyway? My guess is that you have already made up you mind and there is nothing anyone could say to change it.
I now see tags "uu.net does not wish to receive complaints about xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" during the parsing. I forward these to abuse@uu.net and get the blanket statement which means nothing.
What IP are you talking about? Are you sure that UUNet is responsible for it. SpamCop does make mistakes, ya know. Have you tried calling UUnet's Abuse dept?
let me see (Score:2)
I don't have time to sit on hold for hours. And yes, i'm sure the ip addresses involved are in uu.net's block. I don't know the mapping, but probably a downstream provider as well. I'll check the next time i see one. I found complaining to sales got me removed from the lists. abuse didn't. someone knows something. My guess is "take these email addr off your list. we are sick of the complaints."
Spamhaus used to list an executive (vp?) who apparently liked spam for its revenue. I see that link is gone now. Is the exec gone? If the senior idiots who allowed all the spam to continue are gone and there is actually action now, I will re-evaluate. I will wait and see the next time I get a uu.net spam. May take a month or two now. Don't expect me to hold my breath though.
Re:let me see (Score:2)
You are going to have to contact their legal dept for that. Sales won't/shouldn't give a sworn statement.
I don't have time to sit on hold for hours.
So, you have obviously never called. Their abuse desk is staffed 24/7 and the wait is never longer than 3-4 rings. Give them a try: 1-800-900-0241 opt2 opt3 then opt1.
I found complaining to sales got me removed from the lists.
Sales would just forward it to abuse. They don't give a shit about your spam and don't have time to deal with it.
Spamhaus used to list an executive (vp?) who apparently liked spam for its revenue. I see that link is gone now. Is the exec gone?
I don't think he is there. And, to be honest, the guy at Spamhaus kinda blows things out of proportion sometimes. So, that quote may not be on the up-and-up, IMHO.
Re:Bull Shit! - NO (Score:2)
Now, I did apply to UU.NET for an abuse job (didn't get in, lack of transportation, I'm not bitter about it). I was called down to go down and visit UU.NET's abuse department. It's a full floor in an office building, relaxed clothing, and they handle all abuse (DOS attacks et al). However, when I interviewed, the manager(John St. Claire) said that it was a "three strikes rule" before they pull the plug.
What? Now "three months before one last month?" No, secure your network now or get SPEWed.
Re:Bull Shit! - NO (Score:2)
Re:Bull Shit! (Score:2)
Now take a look here: [google.com]
DejaGoogle Search: uu.net in news.admin.net-abuse.email A ton of discussion about UU.NET, and that a blacklist is going to go up soon. 21.700 articles.
[google.com]
All the spams and reports, current, ever posted to NANA.sightings. Hmmm, I guess the dialup blocking preventions are *NOT* working. PAGING JOHN ST CLARE TO THE PINK CURSODY PHONE!
Re:Bull Shit! (Score:2)
As far as NANAE goes, no one cares what a bunch of kooks say in lusenet. And no sane admin that wants to keep thier job is going to black list all of WorldCom (aka AS701). If you want to block it on your low-rent ISP, that is fine, I doubt that WorldCom will care. Your customers might care when they find that most of the internet is not available to them, but that is between you and your customers. With respect to your acerebral comment about port 25 filtering not working, there are several ways for a spammer to get around that: insecure formmail scripts, SOCKS proxies, WinGates, SMTP servers on non-standard ports, etc. But, I can see you are too busy frothing on NANAE to figure that out. Also, his name is spelled St.Clair and there are no pink 'cursody' phones at WorldCom. And there are no pink contracts either, if you have proof of one, post it somewhere, otherwise STFU, loon.
Re:Bull Shit! (Claims that UUNET Stops Spam Sites) (Score:2)
I dont work there, but I wouldnt either.. (Score:4, Flamebait)
In other words, they strive to minimize costs by reducing the number of benefits-deriving employees.
As a stockholder, that might be nice, but as a potential employee, that is a warning sign NOT to work there.
I know several people that have gone to work there, been laid off, and then called for the SAME position not three months later.
Its ridiculous.
Re:I dont work there, but I wouldnt either.. (Score:2)
However, my opinion on the work situation for any sufficiently educated person is this:
The bigger the company is, the bigger the headache working there becomes. Now don't get me wrong, it's not that big companies don't give out first rate benefits a lot of the time, but because they have to focus on the shareholder's interests (becuase there are so many shareholders to please), the easier it is for them to jerk employees around.
My roommate works for a small Java programming shop (~20 some employees total), and they've had their share of missed and delayed paychecks, but he still enjoys working there. Why? Because the company president takes him out to lunch sometimes to discuss how the company is doing, because the work he does is his own, he takes credit for it, and everyone recognizes a strong work ethic when he exhibits it. That sort of thing happens less and less the larger the team, department, organization, and/or company gets. Keep that in mind, because Worldcom is a VERY big company, and I think there will be plenty of stories from people stating how they were eventually 'upgraded' straight to the street to improve cost-cutting measures.
So which would you rather have: a relatively secure salary and benefits and a boring to miserable work experience in a big company, or an exciting and rewarding, although sometimes financially shaky, work existence in a small company?
Go to http://www.fuckedcompany.com (Score:4, Insightful)
If you can't find any entries (unlikely, for bigger companies), it indicates that either:
Where is IT paradise? (Score:1)
Re:Where is IT paradise? (Score:2)
It's... (Score:1)
Why people work for a faceless corp when they can work for smaller businesses is beyond me.
run very fast... (Score:3, Informative)
They have no desire to be competitive and even the management jokingly says WorldCom is a training ground for other corperations. If you MUST go ther, get as much training and money as you can then expect to leave in 1 year, as that is all they want you for.
fast track to nowhere (Score:1)
The best advice I can give you is, no matter what big company you will work for it's all the same. You are treated like shit and in the case of Worldcom, you will be just another number. If you don't do it, they will replace you in a heartbeat with someone that knows less then you, but they will make more money. It's not what you know, it's who you know and how well you kiss ass (if that's your thing).
I don't like to be taken advantage off, so any chance I got to screw with middle-management i took it. In the long run, I left that company because of shitty hours, poor pay, and the way management treats people like shit. Now i work for Lucent Technologies. Much better. But they have their problems too.
In a nutshell, no matter where u go, u will run into some bullshit. If u think u are gonna learn anything there, haha, u better think again, cause the talent that Worldcom has is horrible. How that company stays in business when the CEO used to be a gym teacher is a mystery.
smith&wesson:
original point&click device
I'll answer, begrudgingly... (Score:1)
But back to the main point, it seemed cool to me if you worked in the area of new equipment and software evals. I'm glad to see they have that kind of stuff and don't just rely on Lightreading.com
From a Worldcom Consultant . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's what it was like when I worked there, followed by what I HEAR its like now:
My work time was split up between drafting customer documents like pretty network maps, configuring routers/switches, and participating in teleconferences to help techs around the world install that equipment after its been shipped. The work was fun if youre the engineering type - but youre not a paper pusher. your creative side has an outlet too as most documents require some artistic skill to appease clients.
The environment was standard cube-farm. I came in contact with project leads and managers all day, and none of them wore anything dressier than slacks. Its a real khakis and polo kinda place. My co-workers were very helpful and even took the time to explain new technologies to me If I was unfamiliar with them. Its not very cut-throat and I was suprised at the HUGE mix of people and educations that did this highly technical work confidently.
Engineers have access to training labs stocked with some pretty serious new equipment. This was probably the coolest thing about Worldcom - the free training. Shared on the network were SCADS of e-training courses from top vendors on subjects as diverse as design, configuration, and administration. We'd have trainers come in on big projects if we were going to be introduced to new vendor equipment. A few times a year you can ask for an outside training course and youll probably get it.
Overall I really liked it and would highly recomend the Piscataway, NJ or White Plains (Rye), NY worldcom offices to anyone involved. Actually the Rye ofice was mad cool with beer on "managers' sick" days and nerf weapons out the wazoo.
Ive heard Worldcom has been plagued with problems lately though. Theyre low on funds to the point taht they sometimes can pre-order the equipment theyll need for a customer. Many of my old co-workers are watching DVDs for days on end for lack of clients. Lets hope the market comes back up for em.
-My 2 cents and THANKS JIM NOCELLA for gettin me that job
Worked at worldcom for three years (Score:2, Informative)
It depends where you work, and if you are at a legacy MCI site or a legacy WCOM site. I worked at the Cherokee plant in Tulsa, with about 4,000 employees. I did both t2 deployment and fiber monitoring in the NOC. It was one of the main locations of legacy WCOM.
As far as I could tell, the culture was cool until the EDS deal. They took most of their tech staff and switched them to EDS payroll, which resulted in a massive loss of stock options, authority, and senority. I know many people who left WCOM at that time.
They weren't the best pay in the world, and the loss of stock hurt. Then again, that was when their stock was $70/share...Another thing to watch for it that WCOM makes no counteroffers when you try to work somewhere else. There are many people here who shuffle from WCOM to WCG, then back...raising their pay $15,000 in a few years.
Re:Worked at worldcom for three years (Score:2)
been there, done that... started out OK, went to pot in a hurry... which mod were you it?
Re:Worked at worldcom for three years (Score:3, Informative)
NOTE: EDS really knows how to run an IT department. Get this... they actually buy things if they are needed! But the "Look at the extra money left over in my AFE!" slush-fund went away. It was a great way for managers (and project managers) to buy toys or other things that the department actually needed.
EDS shares are doing well, too, which made people FAR better off than their WCOM or WCG shares today. You might take another look at EDS and see how it is today.
I didn't like MCI (Score:2)
Worked at WCOM / working at WCOM under EDS now (Score:5, Informative)
First, you've got your different departments. Like IT, or Network Engineering, or Local Service, or a number of other departments. Each kind of sets it own tune.
Also, your direct management will play a big part in your environment. For example, I see people in the building (during the summer) wearing shorts, t-shirt, and a do-rag or cap.
Third, it also depends on the legacy of the site that you are absorbed into. The true Worldcom side is probably much more laid back than the former MCI side. Of course, UUNet would be different, too, as would legacy MFS (local service). So your location is going to determine which of the merged groups you get into.
So, you've got your department, your local manager, and your merger legacy which all plays a very important role on how your environment will be.
Just to give you my story, when I was a Worldcom employee under IT Infrastructure, the local management was 'uptight'. The department and legacy company (true WCOM) was relaxed. So, only jeans on Friday. All the other days were business casual. Comp time was free flowing. Schedules were laxed. But pay was stingy.
Under EDS, this has changed greatly for me. The local management is relaxed. The legacy (call it EDS now) is... uh... still trying to get a handle on that one. EDS is more feudal in that you work for an 'account' more than you work for 'EDS'. Department is very good. Work at home relaxed. Pay increased significantly. Good deal all around.
[BTW, would you mind emailing me the name of your company?]
Best thing to do is to find out what entities you will be merged into and explore from there. There isn't much way to describe the company as a whole. The only thing I've seen over the past few years is a some shrinking. It is easier to find a parking spot.
Sorry I cannot give a pat answer.
I figured it out!! (Score:4, Funny)
Obviously CmdrTaco and the crew have figured out that VA isn't where *THEY* want to work any more and are trying to figure out where to go next.
It's the only explanation that fits...
Now, on a directly related topic, I wouldn't trust anyone at WorldCom/UUNET/ALTER.NET to run *ANY* of my business traffic. Every time I have a problem getting somewhere it inevitably ends up being a problem on the ALTER.NET backbone, and if they treat their employees like their employees treat people who call their NOC *I* sure wouldn't want to work for them.
Be Careful (Score:4, Informative)
I left just about the time the actually awarded stock options. (7-8 months AFTER the merger during which time health benefits went down the toilet. Less coverage, much more money) The thing with the options was that they vested over three years. You could excersize them one third per year. So I would have to be there for one year to get any benefit from them. When I decided to jump ship all of my co-workers thought I was insane to give up all those valulable options. None of them have excersized any of them to this day.
The reason I think this is relevant is to show you how brainwashed the employees of an absorbed company can be. Don't drink the cool-aid and keep your eyes open.
I did like working for the company in general as my co-workers were some of the most competent people I have ever worked with. They took responsibility for their jobs and were proud of their work.
So, my overall message is it is a good company to work for, but don't buy into hollow promises.
Big companies SUCK. (Score:2)
Unless you are young and looking to learn, look for small companies. If you have a high tolerance for BS, get into goverment contracting or work for the government directly. The pay is not as good, but in the long run you will be much happier.
Bad attitude (Score:1)
Re:Bad attitude (Score:1)
Job Rotations (Score:1)
Would you work for a company that did this? (Score:1)
Guess what? I get my next bill and there's 135 bucks worth of charges from MCI World.com, at their ridiculous "slam" rate, including 30 1 minute calls my wife had made to her grandmother's house after she had gotten a stroke and gotten no answer. These were 50 miles away and charged 3.41 apiece. 3.41 for listening to a phone ring a few times! I called Ameritech and told them that I wasn't paying them for these charges, that I wanted AT&T and if they screw up my service one more time I'm going to rip the goddamned phone jack out of the wall and get a cell phone and screw them.
Alright, you're probably wondering - what the hell does this have to do with working for them? Ask yourself two questions - if they do this to their customers, hell, people who don't even WANT to be their customers, how are they going to treat their employees? And if they treat the public in such a dishonest and greedy grasping manner, why would you want to work for them anyway? There must be an honest company you can work for. Hell, even Microsoft is a little more honest and competent than this.
What's Worldcom Like? -- It's all relative. (Score:1)
From Former WorldCom Employee (Score:1, Interesting)
4 years, still goin.. (Score:2, Interesting)
The company is global, which means (or it used to) that if you felt like working elsewhere, you could. God knows that the working atmosphere in Europe is much better than North America. =)
I work with brilliant people, and I've learned lots from them. Even if we're now officially worldcom, and part of Generation D (*gag*), and it's easy to feel like a cog in a big wheel since there's 15 departments in engineering, 93245 levels of management, stock options that are not even with reach of the Kursk salvage team, FUD concerning whether or not you're going to be employed 3 months from now, marketing focussed ways of life (I really really wish I'd bought those UUNET boxer shorts when I had the chance), and, well, I could go on, but, I still like working for the company. Why? No larger network exists, no other company still has the kind of resources we do, the big iron, the sheer scale of everything, and the people i work with. Every time I think about going somewhere else (who doesn't) I think "where?" and often draw a blank.
Like any large company, it'll depend on who you end up working for as well. Maybe everybody will suck, or perhaps everybody goes out and shoots some stick after work. You won't know until you look.
If you're going to work for worldcom proper, bear in mind that internet culture didn't extend to telcos until recently, so they're still coping with the shock of learning that ATM is *not* the future of networking. I'd check out the office you might be working for, and the people there. if it was uunet at one point, your chances of getting along are better, but that's just a guess really.
Just 'cause WorldCom is laying off people everywhere doesn't mean they suck. you could be working for the airline industry. you could be working for Nortel. Everybody is laying off.
To conclude, you won't find me telling you to run away as fast as you can. check it out.
Standard Nerd Answer (Score:5, Informative)
It Depends.
The answer you get is going to be horribly weighted by somebody else's baggage, the circumstances under which they were hired, or fired, even where they were located.
I worked for the Investor Relations department at the corporate headquarters in Clinton, Mississippi. Small department, great people. I loved my job and the people I worked with. The dress was corporate casual, and regular casual on Fridays.
I worked with the Bernie Ebbers, the CEO for a few projects. He's a very nice, polite guy--driven, but many entrepreneurs are like that. Also, he's very tall.
The IT department in Clinton is staffed with great people, the network/Internet/Intranet guys are top-notch and well managed. I still go bowling with them occasionally.
However, some people don't have such nice memories. When Worldcom bought MCI, there was quite a clash of cultures. MCI's IR department had 2.5 times the number of people, and didn't do as good a job as Worldcom did. All of them were laid-off in the merger. MCI had something like 5 corporate jets. Worldcom had 2 corporate jets. Bernie sold most of MCI's immediately. Former MCI people were undergoing "attrition" at a fearsome rate. Worldcom's culture was of a gritty startup, almost. You worked hard, but you were compensated for your effort. MCI was much more corporate, only their stock price reflected that "corporate" wasn't cutting it.
Unfortunately, MCI's marketing department stayed around. This is where you get those really shitty "generation d" commercials. And also why the web site sucks so much now.
This was a few years ago, but from what I can tell, the culture hasn't changed that much--at least, not in Clinton, MS. Other locations are different.
I actually work at wcom... (Score:3, Interesting)
What's it like working here? To make a long aswer short, it depends who your manager is. I'm lucky enough to work for people who let me run Linux on my desktop even though it's not "officially supported." (Windows is the official desktop OS).
Other people, however, have horror stories due to the regulations in their particular group. I'm sure this is the way with most large companies.
HTH
Side note/Tangent: Tulsa (Score:2)
The city is a good one to live in simply because of the cost of living. You'll find most prices to be quite low. Gasoline, unleaded, is currently $.97. Housing is very inexpensive compared to other places. Say, a 1400 sqft home would go for around... ballpark... $80-120k.
Tulsa is a good place to work at.
WorldCom (Score:2)
It's important to remember that customer service is part of what a company is. If it sucks, chances are that they have pissed off someone you may want an interview with at some point.
If you don't have a job now, then take it. You can sleep in alleys, but ya gotta eat. If you are one of the fortunate that are working, you may want to give this a pass.
I have WorldCom for LD, and I get nasty calls to collect before the bill even arrives in the mail. They keep wanting me to go direct debit, but if they can't get their billing cycles right, what makes them think I'll trust them with my bank account? I'd change, but since I make about 2 LD calls a year, it's not worth it to me.
No LD Needed (Score:2)
There is a site which specializes in these Q's (Score:3, Informative)
401k is a good reason (Score:2, Informative)
Experience from MCI merger (Score:2, Informative)
It really appeared to me that WorldCom took over MCI and then basically cut off funding for any new projects. Budgets were incredibly tight for those two years, and we could barely afford to keep existing projects going. I think they somehow expected to continue making money off of MCI without any expectation of keeping abreast of the market or competition.
Not only did they trim staff, they also went to great lengths to cut trivial costs associated with office atmosphere. For example they stopped stocking hot chocolate and coffee in the break rooms. At one point we didn't have toilet paper for a couple days and people seriously considered the possibility that WorldCom had stopped funding even for that!
Both years I was there, there were huge layoffs around Christmas time to make the books look good for the end of the fiscal year. Then they would hire on huge amounts again in the spring, mostly people previously laid off. Because of this, a lot of people felt really insecure about their jobs. I saw many many many cases where employees were spending more time gossiping about layoffs than working, because it was such a crazy situation.
MCI/WorldCom was also layered with way too many layers of management. There were bosses whose only job was to communicate information between a VP and five or six managers. It was really crazy.
MCI/WorldCom was also somewhat formal, they had "casual Friday" when it was okay to wear jeans, etc. Very uptight compared to a left-coast startup but not as bad as a big consulting company or bank. Good luck!
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