Your Valentine's Day Plans for 2003? 239
Nos. writes "Valentine's Day is rapidly approaching, and though some of you Slashdot readers will be spending the day alone, there must be some of you out there who won't. So, what are you doing for that someone special this Feb 14th? My fiance is not a geek, and so wouldn't appreciate a 'geeky Valentine's'. Instead, I'm thinking a nice quiet dinner in one of our favourite restaurants. However, I recently got the 'You don't do anything romantic anymore' speech, and quite honestly am out of ideas. Can slashdot help? Obviously slashdot isn't the best place to ask, but I'm sure others are in a similar situation."
Wrong holiday. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wrong holiday. (Score:2)
I will celebrate with Borsht and Vodka, the two most holy Slavic sacraments!
Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:5, Interesting)
For me, my wife is not a geek but does play an awful lot of DAOC lately... She says she wants a keyboard without a "stupid windows key", I guess it must be a DAOC thing.
Here's what you do - get her an appointment at one of those beauty spas on the 14th, in the evening. Make sure she'll be there for a while, maybe an hour or two. Ya know, the oil treatment, the massage, the whole nine yards. Then, when she gets home - you've got dinner waiting for her. Not any Taco Bell dude, make some spaghetti or something simple - yet not too simple. Make sure to get the red wine, if you can't cook you'd better get her drunk...
Women love this stuff and it's very much worth it - the rest of the year she will always remember this day and you'll NEVER get the "You're not affectionate" speech again.
If you didn't blow your wad on the oil treatment when splurge for diamonds. Doesn't have to be huge or expensive - just a little nugget of love that will always remind her of you (and the great Valentines day you gave her!)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, you're a geek. You're meant to have an almost pathological interest in learning new things. Learn how to do all that stuff yourself. Decent massage oils are not cheap, but you can get reasonably-priced ones. You're not going to need gallons of them. You can get books out of the library on how to do it, and of course practicing is the fun bit.
You're going to need:
Once your girlfriend is there, feed her some good food (pasta is simple, and hard to get wrong), and have a glass or two of wine. Get some music on, and work down to slower, more relaxing tunes. How you transition from eating to massaging is down to you. Standing up and saying "Right, strip off!" is probably not a good idea.
The important thing is that you both have fun. Don't be afraid to keep the book out, but try and keep oil off it if it's a library book. If you're not getting it, have your girlfriend massage you, to show you what she wants. Most importantly, keep at it - you *do* have all day, at least, if you want to keep your girlfriend. Oh, and I can't stress this enough - turn your phones, pagers, etc off. Not onto silent, not vibrate (you kinky freak), OFF.
Tunes are important. Obviously, individual tastes are different, but there are some things that work well and some that won't. Here are some examples I've tried.
Good:
Stuff that doesn't work so well:
OK, hope this helps someone. Have fun!
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:5, Insightful)
But that it exactly the opposite of what my girl would like. Funny, that.
We are -- going out to a restaraunt on E5th that a buddy of mine runs. Very nice place, top rated wine list, and surprisingly cheap. We're into cheap and punk rock.
Then headed off to see Ted Leo in Brooklyn. Ted's a good guy and his band absolutely rocks.
After that, back to the E. Village to Manitobas, 7B, or Ace, to -- guess what? Shoot some pool, look at people, drink some beers, hang with friends.
Then back home to put on some Mission Of Burma, the Rapture, the Clash, something like that.
Um, I'll leave out the rest. You get the idea.
So here's the answer -- know your girl. They don't all want the same thing. Mine's got a masters degree and an ivy league education and blows me away, but she'd rather rock on Valentines Day than get a massage. Course, she'd rather do this every night. Wow. I guess I really like her.
Happy Valentines Day, baby. (Granted, one thing she'll never do is read slashdot...)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:4, Insightful)
Therein lies great wisdom. Yep. I wrote my girlfriend a shell script, rather than a poem. A shell script (which I've already given her) that reads the EXIF headers from her photos, thumbnails them, and keys over some info from the EXIF and a copyright message. Hey, she appreciated it more than gooey poetry.
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
But my best suggestion for music is stuff that you know she likes - anything new would be more distracting than relaxing.
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Sigur Ros is unbeatable. Their old stuff is in icelandic, and the new stuff is in a made up language. So words arent an issue. And they are smooth, and ambient, and generally rule. Definately worth a listen.
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2, Funny)
A [GIRL|BOY]FRIEND
lets add that at the top of the dependency
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:3, Funny)
Oh no, it took me ages to get X11 working, I don't want to do more!
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Five words. (Score:2)
Barry White or Marvin Gaye.
'nuff said
Dolemite
Re:Nothing wrong with /. IMO (Score:2)
Re: Gallo??? (Score:2)
Hahaha that's the funniest thing I've ever read. (Score:2)
Don't pay the DeBeers Romance Tax (Score:5, Informative)
The association of diamonds with romance is recent and wholly artificial. It was [theatlantic.com]
engineered in the 20th century by DeBeers' marketing people. They did their job excpetionally well; in America (and to a lesser extent elsewhere in the West), many women are so conditioned to associate diamonds with romance that failing to pay the DeBeers Romance Tax can mean the end of a relationship.
If you're a Linux user, you have said no to the Microsoft monopoly. Why not extend this noble principle to an even more pernicious and murderous multinational corporation? Say no to diamonds, and tell your partner why.
Mod up parent (Score:2)
Re: on the topic of the diamond (Score:2, Insightful)
Restaurant (Score:3, Insightful)
Why don't you cook the meal yourself?
Obviously, cooking a decent dinner takes a lot more time and effort, but isn't that an important part of romance? There are plenty of recipes available over the Internet, and you still have plenty of time to get the ingredients, so you have no excuse! If you live with your SO, get the afternoon off and start preparing and cooking then, so it's ready for just after she gets in.
Myself, I shall be spending SVD with friends, as my girlfriend will be on the other side of the world. Bit of a drag really.
Good plan -- restaurants may be booked (Score:4, Informative)
Depending on the restaurant and where you live, it may already be booked up for Valentine's day. If you go restaurant, book now.
That said, cooking her a nice meal is a great idea. Generally, putting your time and effort into doing something scores more points than plunking down some cash.
Some tips if you don't do dinner parties:
Re:Good plan -- restaurants may be booked (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Restaurant (Score:2)
Cook (Score:2)
Then afterwards, we might go and run Siege on Asylum MUD [asylum-mud.org] together.
Been A While (Score:2)
My favorite V-Day was one when I lived in an appartment with a roommate. To get away for the night, I got us a hotel room. If you have a place to yourself, you can do this there. Get a bucket, and fill it with ice. Add one bottle of wine. Make sure you get a type she likes. If you're not sure what she likes, try those fruity wines like Arbor Mist, they're generally liked, and fairly cheap. Then, go and get a dozen roses. Split the roses in half, and give half to her as soon as you see her that day. With the other half, make a trail that leads from the door to the bed. Put the wine, and two wine glasses, next to the bed. Lining the path with candles. Also, next to the bed, get a bottle/tube of massage oil, the kind actually intended to rub into someone's back (Google turned up this [annalotan.com] as an example) and start the evening off with a long backrub for her. Long as in hours (you can type for hours, your hands are strong, right?). From there, you can end the evening as you see fit.
Re:Been A While (Score:2)
(Yes, that was the mistake I made that day. The next year, she gave me the above linked Geek Tool as a birthday present.)
Good Luck!
Re:Been A While (Score:2)
Corkscrews (Score:3, Interesting)
GET A REAL CORKSCREW. Pocketknife/multi-tool corkscrews don't cut it. At the VERY least get a proper "winged" wine corkscrew, they're only a few dollars.
Brookstone has some REALLY nice corkpullers. Push a lever down and it automatically twists the screw in, pull it back up and it pulls the cork out. Insanely easy, and it's a flashy way to open a bottle of wine too. I'm sure you struggling to get the cork out of your bottle of wine with a crappy pocketknife will kill the mood. Plus I don't know how many times substandard corkscrews have resulted in small chunks of cork ending up in the wine for me... (I have one that is not a Brookstone puller, but is 99% identical to the ones they sell. It is GREAT.)
Re:Corkscrews (Score:2)
It makes opening a bottle of wine a 5 second endeavor. If you open up enough wine (we open 4-6 bottles a week) it's worth it. If you rarely open wine, go for a different one.
Re:Been A While (Score:2)
Re:Been A While (Score:2)
Hallmark Holliday (Score:1)
Bleh...
This sounds like fun.... (Score:2, Funny)
No thanks! (Score:4, Funny)
Dear
1. Your approach to long term financial management
2. What you're going to do when you mom comes to stay next month.
3. Your preferred brand of dishwasher, and why.
4. How you deal with awkward family moments, like funerals of uncles you never really knew that well to begin with.
5. How you brush your teeth.
6. Poetry you write.
7. Anything about Ayn Rand.
8. Your opinion, based on ample experience, on how to deal with failed relationships.
9. How much high school sucked for you personally.
10. Anything about Anne Rice.
Good, I'm glad that's cleared up. Can we go back to interesting stuff now?
Re:No thanks! (Score:4, Funny)
> 2. What you're going to do when you mom comes to stay next month.
> 3. Your preferred brand of dishwasher, and why.
> 4. How you deal with awkward family moments, like funerals of uncles you never really knew that well to begin with.
> 5. How you brush your teeth.
> 6. Poetry you write.
>7. Anything about Ayn Rand.
> 8. Your opinion, based on ample experience, on how to deal with failed relationships.
> 9. How much high school sucked for you personally.
> 10. Anything about Anne Rice.
Well, for starters, I don't mind Great Big Blowing Void Day that much. Because I don't want kids, I don't need a girlfriend, and that makes GBBVD much cheaper. Not having kids saves me thousands a year in expenses, plus tens of thousands of year in college savings requirements. If I had a wife and kids, I wouldn't be able to retire by 40.
My Mom's dead, you insensitive clod! All because my uncle fucked up when repairing her Whirlpool. It's Maytag all the way for me. Thankfully, I got the uncle back a few weeks ago - hey, Uncle, bet you don't know why Aunt Peg was walkin' funny through the whole famn damily reunion!
Avoid spin brushes,
They don't get pubes out at all,
Aunt Peg told me so
Anyways, I don't need or want a girlfriend for GBBVD, but if I had one, I'd be sure to make sure she's the kind of gal who meets the criteria of my values system and who liked it rough. Hey, it's all about Love and Selfishness [aynrand.org].
And what is it with women, anyways? I emailed that essay to my last girlfriend and she never spoke to me again. Then, after dissing me about Rand, she went out with some goddamn architecture student who banged her like he was on the Gong show. Shows you what she knew. Last I heard, she dumped him for a vampire fetishist who enjoyed the Sleeping Beauty series.
God, high school sucked.
The best gift (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The best gift (Score:2, Funny)
OK, I gave your girlfriend the orgasm. Now can I get back to the Q3A fragfest I had planned?
No plans at all! (Score:3, Insightful)
I try to make my girlfriend feel nice whenever I can see her. It doesn't take much; a glance, a nice thing to say about something she bought, make her laugh...
These are things she lives all year long and make our relationship strong. If you have a fiance and you are waiting for one day to make up for the rest of the year, you are doing it all wrong.
Think of you relationship with your significant other as one of your projects; if you don't assign time and thought to it, it will fail.
I am not trolling when I say this, but (Score:3, Insightful)
When you actually do give it to her, make sure you last at LEAST 15 minutes. And no athletic shit either. Slow and gentle. Act loving!
No matter if you took her to Arby's previously, that will have been a special Valentine's day.
V-Day plans. (Score:2)
I of course will be dedicating some other day, the following weekend, to her--but she loves me enough to know that I enjoy lanning.
If this was any average lan I would pass it up for her in a moments notice. But this one is an annual event for me.
(plug)
http://www.nwgo.org/register/
4th Annual Presidents day Meltdown.
Hosted in Wenatchee, Washington.
February 14th - 16th
(/plug)
Re:V-Day plans. (Score:2)
Like many others here, my honey and I try to make every day valentine's day. For example, to show me how special I am to him, he helps me haul my computer to the party, or helps me get the house ready when I'm the hostess...
Take her away - preferably far away (Score:2)
Don't tell her beforehand - just plan it out, and tell her Friday afternoon to pack a bag. The element of surprise is always nice.
And don't bring your geek toys. If you must have your cell, leave it in the car and just check your voicemail if you can't resist the urge. Just wait until she's in a store shopping or something.
For Boston-area geeks, upstate New Hampshire and the Stowe area in Vermont have ample places that meet the description I just gave above.
Emailed to me not to long ago. (Score:2, Funny)
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Every 14th of February you get the chance to display your fondness for your
wife or girlfriend by showering her with gifts, flowers, dinner, shows and
any other baubles that women find romantic.
Every Valentines Day you rack your brains for that one special, unique gift
that will show your wife or girlfriend that you really love them more than
anything. Now ladies, I'll let you in on a little secret. Guys really don't
enjoy this that much. Sure seeing that smile on your face when we get it
right is priceless, but that smile is the result of weeks of blood, sweat
and consideration. Another secret guys feel left out. That's right, left
out. There's no special holiday for the ladies to show their appreciation
for the men in their life. Men as a whole are either too proud or just too
embarrassed to admit it. Which is why a new holiday has been created.
March 20th is now officially "Steak and Blowjob Day". Simple, effective and
self-explanatory.
This holiday has been created so you ladies finally have a day to show your
man just how much you love him. No cards, no flowers, no special nights on
the town. The name of the holiday explains it all. Just a steak and a
blowjob. That's it. Finally, this twin pair of Valentines Day and Steak and
Blowjob Day will usher in a new age of love as men everywhere will try THAT
much harder in February to ensure a more memorable March! It's like a
perpetual love machine. The word is already beginning to spread, but as with
any new idea, it needs a little push to start the ball rolling.
Re:Emailed to me not to long ago. (Score:2)
Funny... (Score:5, Insightful)
"I recently got the 'You don't do anything romantic anymore' speech, and quite honestly am out of ideas."
Funny how this "holiday" falls (more often than not) on the guy. What about the woman being the romantic one and coming up with that "something special".
Eh, fuckit, I'm just bitter. Just out of a slightly-longer-than-a-year relationship and sick this 'You don't do anything romantic anymore' shit. Bleh.
Women and the Draft (Score:2)
Despite having the vote.
Lovely world, isn't it...you don't hear feminists complaining about the benefits of being female, just the drawbacks.
Re:Women and the Draft (Score:2)
In the USA, men don't get drafted either. (Ever hear of Volunteer Army?) In Israel, women are drafted.
What the hell are you talking about?
Re:Women and the Draft (Score:2)
If you haven't filled out your draft card (which makes you eligible for being drafted), and you're 18 or over, and a male citizen of the United States, you're in violation of federal law.
And perhaps Israel does this, but I'm talking about the United States, not Israel.
Re:Funny... (Score:2, Insightful)
Odd, it's my experience that it falls most often on the single folk, men and women alike.
My suggestion, everyone should go out and let all your single friends know how much you care for them. It really can make an otherwise miserable day such as Valentine's much, much better.
Ask her? (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, and maybe it's too obvious to need pointing out, but romance doesn't have to be confined to one day a year. What happens the rest of the year makes more of an impact.
I can't say this better than the comic strip Cathy (Score:2, Interesting)
It echos my thought exactly.
Carnivorous romance (Score:3, Interesting)
There's hardly a more fun and social meal than a fondue. The basic concept of a meat fondue is quite simple -- you cut a couple of pounds of good beef into approximately 1" cubes, skewer them on long fondue forks, and dunk them in a pot of boiling oil. We build a big fire, light candles, and have the fondue accompanied by a variety of sauces, French bread, good cheese, and of course a bottle of two of good red wine. Yes, it's amazingly decadent and terribly unhealthy, but it's a lot of fun, requires minimal preparation, and, because you're always pausing to skewer a new chunk of meat to dip in the oil, the meal is naturally unhurried and gives plenty of time for enjoyable conversation.
Re:Carnivorous romance (Score:3, Insightful)
Best Present (Score:3, Informative)
I started about 2 weeks before Valentine's Day. I created a document and thought of one/two liners about my wife. Things I like, things I love, fond memories, etc. After 2 weeks, I ended up with like 35 things. I went to Hallmark and bought a couple packages of little kid valentine's cards.
I printed out the sheet, cut it up and put one in each card. Valentine's morning, I was out the door before she got up and she woke up to 35 cards throughout the house.
Just a warning, if you do this and figure out a way to top it, let me know.
Me and mine (Score:2)
Live action entertainment is a nice change of pace from the normal dinner-and-a-movie type thing.
do something non-geeky (Score:3, Insightful)
Figured it was kind of original, plus we'll have fun, it won't be "one of those default v-day gifts", and maybe we'll (me specifically) will learn enough to dance more often at formal events
No Valentines Day (Score:2, Interesting)
And yes, I am blessed to be with a woman who shares my point of view on that issue. In fact, it was her idea.
Re: (Score:2)
Summary ... (Score:3, Funny)
I just broke up with.... (Score:2)
Theatre Tickets (Score:3, Interesting)
Nice dinner and the philharmonic (Score:2)
grumble (Score:2)
Re:grumble (Score:2)
I see no reason why you couldn't be at her door by midnight on Valentine's day. With that kind of distance between you, just getting there is enough to get you laid.
Re:grumble (Score:2)
And there would be no "getting laid" involved anyways. We go straight for the _really_ good stuff. Godiva chocolate cheesecake ice cream. I'm not kidding. (:
Re:grumble (Score:2)
Take the 15th off. What's more important to you: A girl you care for enough to suffer the pains of a long distance relationship, or a job that makes you work Saturdays? You have 8 days to find someone to cover your shift. Get to work, man!
And there would be no "getting laid" involved anyways. We go straight for the _really_ good stuff. Godiva chocolate cheesecake ice cream. I'm not kidding. (:
If you think any food, and I don't care what it is or who makes it, is better than sex, you're doing it wrong. Plain and simple.
Don't get me wron, if you've decided to have a non-sexual relationship I totally respect that. I've even done it myself. But if you honestly believe that ice cream is better than sex, I pity you, and strongly suggest you flip through a book on Tantra some time. Even a magazine article or a web page would help. Sex is the ultimate intimacy, and as close to the divinity as you will ever get. Nothing should be better than that.
Re:grumble (Score:2)
I've never had sex. Not going to until I'm married. But if its better than ice cream. .
Re:Better than sex! (Score:2)
There is more to sex than orgasms. Shocking, I know, but true.
Re:Better than sex! (Score:2)
Geek Girl's Advice! (Score:4, Informative)
What do girls want on Valentine's Day? Just something that a) shows that you care and b) shows that you know her.
My (also geek) boyfriend likes to get me stuffed animals (cute things like Chococat and Hello Kitty and Nyago) and flowers. I love that! He also made me a KDE desktop theme that was really cute.
But, seriously, geek girl or not, you can NEVER go wrong with flowers. Pink rosebuds are nice, and less expensive then long-stemmed roses.
Dinner and flowers, plus a little something (wrapped up?) is failsafe, and really easy to customize.
If your girl wants romantic, take her to a place where she can really dress up; girls like to dress up. Or order in gourmet (gourmet grocery stores will some times do that) or reserve a night at a nice hotel.
Hotels are good options (if you don't mind being late for work the next day) because, as long as it's a nice one, you get a beautiful ambiance, room service, fine dining, and a chance to surprise her with something new and romantic. Add fresh flowers and a (sexy?) gift, and you're set!
Now maybe you guys can help me- WHAT DO I GET MY GEEK BOYFRIEND???
Re:Geek Girl's Advice! (Score:2)
I don't know about that. When my husband got me a dozen roses for our anniversary they were nice, but I couldn't help thinking that $60+ could have been spent on something else that would have lasted longer than a few days!
Re:Geek Girl's Advice! (Score:2)
V-Day Again? (Score:5, Funny)
Something romantic to do... (Score:2)
Unique/Geek Jewelry? (Score:2)
She got a tri-gold necklace for christmas and that went over great.. but i'd like to find a pendant to go with.. something just as unique... and well, geeky(she does product design and manufacturing.. )...
I saw some of the Titanium Jewelry on
Unfortunately... (Score:2)
It's over (Score:3, Informative)
What you need is a woman like my wife. She hates valentine's day. With a passion. I never cared one way or another. If anything, on February 14th, we celebrate the one week anniversary of my birthday. She doesn't need a special day, as I prefer to surprise her with little things throughout the year. I'm grocery shopping, and I see a type of candy she might like, so I buy it. She's happy; I was thinking about her when I wasn't with her.
Sure, she liked the 'big gun' romantic things (like the eight hour drive I made after we had been broken up to beg her to come back. Before we were married, BTW) but she's mature enough to understand it's the little things that count.
Hey, it's not over! (Score:2)
My husband gave me a wonderful present a couple of Christmases ago, though it looks funny in with your long list of X-rated suggestions. It was one of those "Fantazein" clocks you can program with messages. Anyway, he programmed it to say "Don't worry be happy", and later with other things he thought would amuse me, such as "Don't mess with Besty" (his favorite misspelling of my name.) I thought it was very romantic, and I still smile every time I see it, two years after he bought it.
Valentines for Geeks (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Valentines for Geeks (Score:2)
Boxen (Score:2)
I'll spend the day with my Windows box, not my linux box, as Windows goes down so many more times in a day.
Trying not to weep openly in public (Score:3, Funny)
- Trying not to weep openly in public
- Trying not to think about all the great sex my ex-girlfriends must be having right about now
- Stockpiling cheap hooch, 'cause once you get started, it can be tough to find the booze store when you need more
- Finding a comfortable, out-of-the-way gutter
- Maybe looking into that heroin addiction idea I've been kicking around
That's all I've got planned so far... anyone else have ideas?
A very good article onw aht to do. (Score:2)
Coincidence??? (Score:2, Funny)
Venereal Disease
VD. Coincidence?
Re:Coincidence??? (Score:2)
> Venereal Disease
> VD. Coincidence?
At least one of the two is easily and cheaply cured by an injection of penicillin.
try something new (Score:2)
Steak and Blowjob Day (Score:2)
Re:Steak and Blowjob Day (Score:2)
In the Netherlands.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Well... (Score:2)
My partner, Vikki, loves lobster. Can't get enough of it, in fact. So when I saw a 2-pound cold-water lobster tail, frozen, at the store, I bought it. Thawed, broiled it myself, basting it every three minutes with clarified butter and fresh-squeezed lemon juice, then served it to her on a very large plate, with a small bowl of peas (she likes canned peas. Go figure).
She ate until she could hold no more, and the next day she sliced up the leftover lobster and made a lobster sandwich. She still talks about this, fourteen years later.
Yeah, rocks are nice, but something truely memorable in the kitchen can be even nicer. Expensive as this was, it sure was cheaper than a decent diamond ring
Another idea, for later on, is to use some Moritz's "Ice Cubes" in the bedroom. They are very tasty, and melt just like tanning butter *GRIN* I know that I ruined one grrlfriend for life when I smeared some on her backside, then kissed and licked it off, telling her that she'll never again be able to tell somebody to "Kiss my *ss!" without thinking of me *WEG*
Re:The obvious question is... (Score:2)
Re:The obvious question is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The obvious question is... (Score:2)
Christ, if the guy had any sense at all, he'd ask her friends or other women before coming to slashdot, which is about the least likely place possible to get a helpful answer when it comes to romance. (Cue some closet-thespian Star Trek junkie to tell us how geekery and romance don't have to be mutually exclusive -- again missing the point.)
Maybe he should try the Turbo-Diesel Registry forum next, those guys are REAL smooth with the ladies.
Re: * (Score:2)
Some malls [southcoastplaza.com] have a very nice selection.
But the trans-continental trip for me would be a serious time-consumer.
Re:My Valentines Day Poem (Score:2)
Re:Read between the lines... (Score:3, Informative)