Become a fan of Slashdot on Facebook

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Technology Hardware

Equipment Suppliers You Can Trust? 379

Steve Gray asks: "It has happened to all of us at some time or another. You're two weeks from deploying an application, but suddenly your testbed server falls over, and just won't get back up. After fighting with a variety of companies to try and get parts delivered for Tuesday, I'm finding that most companies will stall your order for days for reasons from random extra checks through to migration of lesser known species of Vole, business needs be damned! Who do Slashdot readers turn to when technology goes wrong? Do you trust them to deliver by tommorow, without fail?"
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Equipment Suppliers You Can Trust?

Comments Filter:
  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:24PM (#14441840) Homepage Journal
    Who do Slashdot readers turn to when technology goes wrong? Do you trust them to deliver by tommorow, without fail?"

    When I worked for people with a clue there were always redundancies and spare parts. Now shops seem to run like the Petroleum Companies (claim to, anyway) and that is heavy dependence on JIT delivery of goods. Overnight is about the best CDW or anyone else seems to promise anymore.

    Gawds. We used to have actual Field Service contracts which guaranteed two hour response time, and that meant someone was on site in two hours, not returning a call within that time.

    I suppose HP and IBM still offer such, but if you're on anyone elses PC's or servers then you've dug your own grave.

    • by hotrodman ( 472382 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:28PM (#14441877)
      Agreed. It's foolish to try to run a shop without spare parts on hand, especially for anything remotely critical. Time and experience has taught me over and over, that if you are not prepared, it will be made known to those who you'd rather it not be made known to.

          What that overnight shipping costs on some parts would pay for the part itself. Keep spares on hand.

        - Eric
      • by ansible ( 9585 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:35PM (#14441924) Journal

        Yup, I agree with the above. In fact, I would go further and say that you have to regularly practice stuff like replacing a drive, or restoring a database to a backup server, to make sure your knowledge and procedures are up to snuff and documented.

        • Clueless Mistakes (Score:5, Informative)

          by kawika ( 87069 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:50PM (#14442022)
          Yes, and send someone who knows what to do whether it's a drill or a real failure.

          One place where I used to work, a drive in a RAID array failed. No problem, they sent the new kid to replace the drive--easy to tell, it was the one with the red light in the middle of the array. But being the anal-retentive organizer he was, he decided to MOVE THE OTHER DRIVES OVER so the new one would be at the end. That took the array offline of course and totally confused the controller once it did see the new drive. For more than a week they claimed the data loss was due to a "rare double-drive failure".

          Oh, and of course they lost several days worth of data because the last two tape backups wouldn't restore and the heads hadn't been cleaned for six months, but you could have guessed that.
          • It is comforting (actualy disturbing)to know that this has happened to others. Recently i had a simular situation except the tape problem was some peon who though because they didn't need the tapes in a while, the act of replacing them and doing the backups was pointless.

            The words ring cleasly still lodged in my head, "well we didn't use the backups so why did i have to make them." Fortunaly, a lab was able to recreate the array, recover all the data and return it within a month for less then $9000 US. Oh a
            • At least you didn't get nailed for it.

              I've had some great jobs and some not-so great jobs. The one I'm at now is in the middle. I have the opportunity to learn some stuff that's not too easy to get a lot of hands-on with while not being a specialist. I trust myself not to f*ck anything, because I am careful, I document, and I have a lot of experience in the field. Unfortunately, a lot of my time is taken up doing "lesser" work because I can't trust the other guys to do things right. I know that in the
          • Re:Clueless Mistakes (Score:4, Informative)

            by Forge ( 2456 ) <kevinforge@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @11:27AM (#14445797) Homepage Journal
            That "New Guy" was employed as an accounting cleark right?

            Some things are below "any" minimum competence standards.

            And for the goy mentioned an Onsite response contract. I work for a company that provides that service. We have 2 goys employed full time with the sole porpose of keeping track of the warehouse of spare parts we keap for our contract customers.

            We also have full spare machines.

            Simple rule. If you need to have something deliverd within 2 days of ordering it, you made a serius blunder before and are now engaged in damage control.

            Free Tips for IT shops on a tight budget ?

            1. Similar servers. Chuse a couple of "default servers". Something solid simple and reliable that can handle most of the odd jobs that come up. Helps with #2.

            2. Spare server for each make and model machine in your data centre. These machines can be a lot cheaper than you might think if you know how to manage the overlaps. I.e. It makes sence for this spare machine to have little or no Hard drives. Less memory etc.. Basicaly just enogh that you can boot and test it ruteanly.

            3. Spare parts. To make this cheaper creat some uniformity in your server configs. I.e. If you are buying SMP machines with 3GH 1MB Zeons, then keap doing that ontil the next procesor you chuse is a big step up. I.e. 4GH. Also. Large SCSI drives work as spares for smaler drives in a RAID. (You can replace you failed 36GB drive with a 300GB drive.)

            4. Backup, Backup, Backup ontil you hit the wall. Tape backups are for storage offsite in case the data centre burns down. For
            recovering after a server crash you should have a dedicated backup server with oodles of internal storage. That's why they invented SATA :)

            5. My favorite thogh and this isn't mentioned in ANY service manual or CS course. Put the OS, applications and configuration information on a dedicated RAID 1. Then breack the RAID. I.e. remove 1 of the disks and replace it with a blank drive which will be prumpltly remirorred. That original drive can then be filed away with your backup tapes for instant recovery.
    • We used to have actual Field Service contracts which guaranteed two hour response time, and that meant someone was on site in two hours, not returning a call within that time

      Well I don't trust these field service contracts too much, unless I know the supplier has local or regional stock. I've seen it way to often recently, these companies (HP, Dell, EMC) can get you an engineer on site in 2/4 hours, but the spare parts might take a lot longer than the agreed time.
      • You have to be willing to treat your vendors right and prioritize what's important. Don't expect to beat your vendor up on price and complain about every little nit and then have the vendor go the extra mile. If vendor spares, service and responsiveness are important, find a vendor who has built that into the price. Also, give the vendor enough business and that they are willing to go the extra mile (km outside the US) for you. As prices have been driven down, many vendors have cut services--it's hard to co
    • I know IBM can do it, if they're paid enough.

      My company (130,000 people) outsourced it's hardware support to IBM. Just at my location, depending on severity, we've had response times of less than a half-hour (when our IBM 3174 [ibm.com] failed to reboot after a power failure, cutting off half our building), to days (when a single monitor released it's magic smoke).

    • This is why we buy commodity rather than brand name. I can buy everything I need plus spares for what I can buy a brand name box for. For what it's worth, the commodity stuff is usually better quality anyway, so I'm money ahead all the way around.
    • by frost22 ( 115958 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:59PM (#14442094) Homepage
      I'd recommend those above. Basically all large vendors offer taylored support contracts for large accounts, and standardised suzpport for smaller shops.

      HP for instance has quite a number of different options available as seperately purchaseable support packs, including a pretty expemsive one with guaranteed time back so service (most vanilla support contracts only guarantee reaction time or appearnace time on site, leaving you with a residual though small risk that the necessary part may take longer to arrive).

      You do plan your systems for a well defined service level, do you ? Else, someone should maybe start doing his job. Often a spare server is a cheaper alternative to high level support contracts - we often go this route. But keep that spare a spare - if you live in the kind of shop that happens to find its spare server miracolously doing mission critical work after a few months, you'd be better off to buy support from professionals.

    • by Krimsen ( 26685 )
      <shameless plug>It's not just because I work there. . . but we (AnySystem.com [anysystem.com]) do Sun and we do it well. We have a huge warehouse full to the brim with Sun gear (yes, ancient AND new SunFire) - we do straight sales, as well as leasing, maintenance, hardware and software support and if you look us up on ebay, our reputation is second to none. Please check us out and drop me a line (x122)

      Oh and we're right across the river from Manhattan. Can't beat that with a bat. -Dave x122 (PS> We also do IBM,
    • I see one potential problem, this guy's probably working in a shop where every new project test bed is the latest el-cheapo-kit-du-jour, and keeping spare parts on hand from older inventory won't help get the newest, latest greatest kit get running again.

      Yeah. I'm with you on that.

      But it's the same answer. You dig your own grave. I was there, I lived it 24/7. I worked for a guy who was too cheap to buy decent hardware but not too embarrased by his own stupid decisions to ask me to work over the weekend
    • Gawds. We used to have actual Field Service contracts which guaranteed two hour response time, and that meant someone was on site in two hours, not returning a call within that time.

      Ahh, yes.. Fedex would deliver a box just as the IBM tech was walking through the front door to replace a part BEFORE it had failed completely causing the dreaded down-time.

      Now THAT was Scottish.

      *sigh*

    • by obtuse ( 79208 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @10:14PM (#14442586) Journal
      What I have found to make the difference is relationships.

      If you know someone closer to your end of things, and you can work with that person, you will get far better service. In support, it's the guy who says "here's my pager number in case you have trouble with this" even if he doesn't want you to call him every time you have trouble. The flip side of this is that eventually you know which guys break more than they fix, or close tickets without even calling. Knowing the local service manager or dispatcher is a real help here, or more accurately, the more people you know, the better it gets.

      In sales, you need a Rep who will work with you, and has some power. I mean the guy who says "I'll get you some of those tomorrow" and you may not even see a bill for them (although you also might be billed at the real value - you NEEDED those, right?) This is the guy you buy your redundant supplies from when things are calm, so you don't always have to rely on him dropping everything for you. This is not the guy who won't lift a finger without a signed PO.

      Contracts aren't worth as much as you'd like.

      I found IBM four hour turnaround time to be an exception even in the early nineties, and it hasn't gotten better. Admittedly, we were the low end of the market, but we still had a four hour contract with IBM, and it was honored almost exclusively in the breach. I have not seen anyone significantly better since then either. It just doesn't happen. I have occasionally gotten stellar support from IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq and Cisco, but that was always completely localized, never reliable with any single vendor. FedEx has built their reputation on promptness and reliability, not becasue it's easy or common, but rather because it's difficult and rare.

      Let's not talk about contractors. Some kind souls cannot be bought or bound by a piece of paper. Those things only enable them to help you, as demonstrated by random arbitrary work interruptions. You may not see them for weeks at a time in the middle of an urgent job, but remember that these kind souls, martyrs really, help you stave off catastrophe out of the goodness of their hearts alone.

      Ultimately, it's the people who make it happen, like the FedEx driver who scanned my package at 6:04 last night as he got into his truck, and waited while I went inside to get a piece of tape from the the counter guy who told me I was too late.

      I hope you get lots of good recommendations for companies that will deliver quickly and reliably, and I'll keep an eye on this thread to see what people have to say. Meanwhile, be nice to your office manager.


    • The reason JIT and other issues have arrived is technology itself. Everything is cutthroat (and I mean cutthroat) and anyone supplying something with the best, barest of sales margin wins. You'd be surprised how much money can become involved in reverse auctions at the enterprise level. Suppliers' prices can easily drop 80%-85% in auctions with hardware's estimated price to be fix figures in less than an hour. Even into the 90s, the most advanced form of communication between field personnel and the ho
    • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @11:23PM (#14442975)
      "Gawds. We used to have actual Field Service contracts which guaranteed two hour response time, and that meant someone was on site in two hours, not returning a call within that time."

      Back then hardware was reliable enough that the manufacturers could afford that luxury for the few times things did break down. Nowadays, they want to cut costs to stay "competitive," and the first thing to go it seems is reliability.
    • by Cylix ( 55374 ) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @12:28AM (#14443272) Homepage Journal
      I actually had a rep apologize for not being able to get a 2 hour response time. (An odd add in raid controller failed... at least they claimed it was part of the raid controller setup)

      Not sure how much the vendor paid for that particular IBM contract, but the service level is quite nice.

      The JIT model isn't so bad and it would seem some companies are building around that. I had some time to chat with the service tech and he was telling me about the shipping setup various companies have. Dell actually had a facility nearby that warehoused and shipped out parts as needed. (Not anywhere close to a Dell facility, but just a warehouse/shipping rig) It would seem he wasn't just an IBM remote tech, but actually was shared among several companies.

      So this fellow can actually have parts ordered and drove out on a moments notice from at least IBM and Dell.
      • The JIT model isn't so bad and it would seem some companies are building around that. I had some time to chat with the service tech and he was telling me about the shipping setup various companies have. Dell actually had a facility nearby that warehoused and shipped out parts as needed.

        If the company has a warehouse of parts, that isn't "JIT".

        "JIT" is where the company attempts to predict exactly how many parts it will need tomorrow and only order that number of parts from its vendors today.

        Those vendors

    • When it comes to saving the day at a low price, the US Postal Service's Express Mail takes the grand prize. They deliver on Saturdays, for no additional cost (unlike FedEX, UPS, and DHL). They accept packages on Saturdays until early afternoon (in big cities, at least), and actually deliver them on SUNDAY -- for the SAME COST as weekday service. I don't think FedEx, UPS, and DHL even OFFER Sunday delivery as an option.

      With Express Mail, you can literally ship something in the morning on Christmas Eve, knowi
  • Two Words: (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:26PM (#14441852)
    Duct tape.
  • Local stores (Score:3, Insightful)

    by David Horn ( 772985 ) <david@pockRABBIT ... minus herbivore> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:26PM (#14441853) Homepage
    If something critical breaks and we need standard(ish) parts then we bite the bullet and drive 30 miles to Scan, who in general have most stuff in stock.

    Yeah, you pay a slight premium but it's worth it. I suppose you may want to consider next day on site repairs from the manufacturer as part of an extended warranty or service agreement.
    • Re:Local stores (Score:5, Insightful)

      by TheOtherAgentM ( 700696 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:35PM (#14441927)
      I no longer work in the tech industry, but as a master distributor of industrial parts, we stock as best as we can and deliver overnight on request, but our users have to realize that we only stock what we sell regularly. I'm not going to stock a part that I sell once a year. The user has to take some responsibility and know what kind of down time he can afford and what the risk is of a part going down. We do our best to get stuff overnighted from the factories when necessary, but it's not always possible. The end user can only blame to the supplier to a certain extent, and then when a supplier can't get the parts to you, you look for an expensive, but fast solution. If not, you're stuck. There's no way around it. Good. Fast. Cheap. Pick two.
    • Re:Local stores (Score:5, Informative)

      by shokk ( 187512 ) <ernieoporto.yahoo@com> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:59PM (#14442092) Homepage Journal
      We don't use standard parts. Almost everything these days is a single board with ethernet, video, and sound, plus all the other I/O ports you could want. When the board goes, you need another around. We are buying high-end Intel Server boards, so it's not likely that any mom and pop shop will have it.

      Today's alternative is to make sure that critical services are functioning in either clusters or farms. This means that the loss of a single machine is not noticed by anyone not wearing a pager. Any other services are not critical and thus not worth the immediate sweat... they get overnight support.

      Certainly, you can get 2-hour support, just ask the salesman for a quote next time you're renewing a service contract - but be prepared to pick your jaw up off the ground and possibly suffer from a lifetime of TMJ.
      • Re:Local stores (Score:3, Insightful)

        by RESPAWN ( 153636 )
        This reminds me of one facility I worked at. One day I'm on Dell's site doing something routine when I glance at my systems list and notice that our main server (DHCP, File, Helpdesk, and Backups) only had about 4 months left on its service contract. I fire off a quick email to my boss alerting him to what I discovered. I received a thanks, a pat on the head, and an "I'll tak care of this." The office had been through so many admin changes and contractors that we had absolutely no clue who the current a
  • Dell still offers good service on thier servers with about a 4 hours turn-around if you're willing to pay for the service contract.
    • We had one of those contracts. We were unable to get a server fixed, ever. It would fail during POST one time in three. It took a day to get someone out, three days to get him to try to replace a part, and we were never able to get them to come back and try to fix it.

      And yes, we had one of the ludicrously expensive contracts.
  • wel... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by scenestar ( 828656 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:27PM (#14441863) Homepage Journal
    I prefer local small businesses, they need you maybe more than you need them.
  • If you pay, the offensive amounts of money they ask, they even will code for you...

    On the other hand, Keep a small stock to be out of troubles your self.

    2 o 3 spare hard disk, 1 GB ram, the hardware you need and the bugdet you have...

    If is that important backup equipment, redundancy, etc, and always, have 2 or 3 plans of action. Even if you get a 100% next day whatever-you-need replacement, you still need the plan b, and c...

    Check tue bussines continuity plans and risk managment theory, you will get pretty
    • POWER SUPPLIES!!! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mosel-saar-ruwer ( 732341 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:46PM (#14442427)

      2 o 3 spare hard disk, 1 GB ram, the hardware you need and the bugdet you have...

      With the possible exception of hard disks, the part that is [overwhelmingly] the most likely to fail, and, several years down the road, among the most difficult to replace [because form factors will have moved on to new standards] is the power supply.

      Always purchase several extra power supplies for any mission critical system.

      • by billcopc ( 196330 )
        As a 75-hour-a-week shop tech, I'd like to add one thing: QUALITY power supplies.

        I do a lot of subcontracting for small shops, and the #1 idiotic mistake they make is to use cheap power supplies, you know, the kind that costs $5.00 and boasts "420 watts" underneath the "Made in China" sticker. Sure enough, 3 months later I was replacing the same power supply for the same client. Had they paid $15.00 for a slightly better unit, it would have lasted several years (i'm dead serious). Or if you're that anal
  • But then, I'm not willing to pay them the oodles of money for a support contract, so my trust is largely irrelevant - I'm not buying anything from IBM anyway :)
  • Two words: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Crowhead ( 577505 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:33PM (#14441909)
    Hot spare.
  • *sigh* Dell (Score:4, Informative)

    by gentlemoose ( 313278 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:35PM (#14441926) Homepage
    As much as I hate to admit it, Dell's parts department kicks ass. It took some doing, but we're now part of their Warranty Parts Direct program and can order ad-hoc parts to be overnighted to us. I ordered 4 motherboards last Thursday and they were here on Friday.

    Our dedicated farm of Dells numbers just about 1200 servers. Initally, we had to wrestle with them over every little disk and stick of RAM. Eventually, we just had to tell their support tech what we needed, and they greased the approval skids, shipping things out the same day. Now that we're WPD, we can do it online ourselves. It took me about 10 mins to order the mobos the other day.
    • Just out of interest, do you know what kind of criteria is required to become part of the WPD program? While we don't have anywhere near your number of servers, as a media company (UK-based, so it might not be available here yet), we rely heavily on Precision workstations as well as PowerEdge servers, and that kind of service just sounds absolutely phenomenal - just for peace of mind.
      • We've a 4 hour call out contract with dell, it's a standard support offering. Most of the time they don't have any problems getting the components and engineer to us despite being well out in the sticks (West Wales). They will often bike the components down to us, on the off chance the engineer can't make it on time but the part has arrived then in most cases it's a simple enough task to self install.

        It is quite funny seeing a part arrive by bike and then a dell engineer seperately turning up to remove a
      • Re:*sigh* Dell (Score:3, Informative)

        by gentlemoose ( 313278 )
        We were slipstreamed into it, but I *think* the general requirement is: Pay a nominal fee and take a (completely irrelevant) test for individual certification.

        See http://warrantypartsdirect.dell.com/us/program/T00 00000.asp [dell.com] for info. We were effectively pushed into it by our Dell rep who recognized that our needs weren't being met by their standard support programs.

        If you can pony up the $$, their 4-hour replacement/on-site tech gig works wonders. They have parts depots and techs all over the world.
  • Just tell your boss, that next time things break down you could either have spare parts ready ($3,500.00) or waste another two days of the companies & customers time ($???,???,???.00).
    That should do the trick.
  • I know there's a lot of animosity towards them out there, but if anything's ever gone bang in a Dell server, then I have to admit that - as a manufacturer - their business support is superb. We've had 2 SATA drives and 1 SCSI drive fail over 3 years and all have been replaced within 4 hours without any call center "try this" problems, or any arguments.

    To be honest, it's one reason I'd still buy them. I love their decent business service. The engineers they send out know their stuff and I can let them get o
  • have just one production server if you business depends on it. Always have at least two. This way if primary server fails, you should be able to get by (and plan this ahead of time) using the secondary server. This will give you some breathing room to get the primary one fixed (and keep you from getting fired). This applies to all production components, be it servers, switches, or RAID arrays.
    • Have two machines and load-balance between them. That way, the "spare" isn't "wasting space" (as far as the PHB is concerned), when things are going well you get double the performance, you have no downtime switching servers when one fails, and because you're placing half the stress on each machine, you more than halve the risk of a failure.
  • Let the Astroturfing BEGIN!
  • by chill ( 34294 )
    I have had very good experiences with Dell technical support.

    Note that their business support and desktop support divisions seems to be totally separate. I have never been routed to anyone I have had trouble understanding in the least, once I enter the express code for a business piece of equipment. Home computers are another story.

    If you have "Gold" or "Platinum" service, where they have 4-hour response for equipment you get transferred to a separate department. I've never had that phone ring more than
  • Both of them have always come through for me.

    jh
  • Sony (Score:5, Funny)

    by Xeo 024 ( 755161 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @08:54PM (#14442047)
    I trust no one but Sony.

    Now there's an honest, reputable, and sincere company!
  • Well, we hunted around for months trying to find one of these for our A3 scanner. Lots of places promised to ship, but nothing ever arrived. You got the distinct impression that somewhere on the other side of the world, they were firing up the factory just to make one for us.

    However, we placed a call with Bechtle Direct [bechtle.co.uk] (European, and nice and cheap for ink and toner btw) and got one in a week. That may sound like a long time, but at least we didn't get the usual 'bend-over to please' BS some suppliers fob
  • by RedLeg ( 22564 )
    I've been doing business with them through three employers, for almost 15 years.

    And for the record, I'm talking about CDW [cdw.com]

    If they have it in stock, they WILL deliver, overnight if you need it that bad, and they stand behind their stuff. They have great relationships with their suppliers as well, so if you need pre-sales support, they can make that happen as well.

    We (current company) sole-source our COMPAQ stuff through them, and I do not know of a single complaint. Once you have established an account, and
    • I've been doing business with them through three employers, for almost 15 years.

      And for the record, I'm talking about CDW

      If they have it in stock, they WILL deliver, overnight if you need it that bad, and they stand behind their stuff. They have great relationships with their suppliers as well, so if you need pre-sales support, they can make that happen as well.

      Although I'm not technically employed by CDW, I am contracted to handle their customer service. Their warehouse is closed on statutory holidays,

  • If you can't have spare parts on hand, then a local vendor (or multiple ones, and make sure you know the days/hours they're open!) is your only 'guaranteed' hope. And that's assuming they have what you need onhand at any given time.

    Spare parts are always best, obviously. Test them before you stick them in the spare parts bin, though.
  • I wonder how many of these posts will be lacking a 'Full Disclosure' announcement... or have a false one?

    I guess this is a Create-Your-Own-Slashvertisement?

  • Local Shop (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kenshin ( 43036 ) <kenshin@lunarOPENBSDworks.ca minus bsd> on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:05PM (#14442138) Homepage
    When our computer equipment breaks down, I like to go to a specific local store. They're 5 minutes away, carry quality parts at very reasonable prices, cheap "off the boat" parts are nowhere to be seen, they have a good return policy, and they speak ENGLISH. (This is more of a concern than you'd imagine, in a big city.)

    My boss, on the other hand, likes to go to Tiger Direct and buy the cheapest crap they have on the shelf.
  • Kinda at the end of the thread now, but better than top posting in a reply. I always use Provantage when I can. They have a pretty extensive stock, good prices, and good shipping. Haven't had a need to call their customer service or return an item so I'm not sure how well they are there, but so far satisfied. Fast at shipping too when you need something overnight. http://www.provantage.com/ [provantage.com]
  • Horror story (Score:2, Insightful)

    by novus ordo ( 843883 )
    Recently I ordered a whole media box for a customer worth around $2000 from tigerdirect and I needed it fast fast fast. It came on time, but my heart attack came when I checked my bank. They charged twice, docking my account almost $4000 (they were nice enough not to include shippping in one). After going through many zombies I finally got a rep that could tell me what the hell was going on. Apparently it is a hefty sum and they decided to 'freeze' the sum of my purchase and then proceeded to charge for th
  • by Agelmar ( 205181 ) * on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:08PM (#14442163)
    I wonder what the monetary value of this story is? It's essentially free advertising for companies on a website filled with nerds who order lots of equipment online and have no qualms about doing so.

    I like newegg.com - and I wonder how much revenue they get directly attributable to this story and this comment.
  • > Who do Slashdot readers turn to when technology goes wrong?

    Dell.

    > Do you trust them to deliver by tommorow, without fail?"

    Yes.

    There is a reason why they are such a big and popular supplier, and it isn't due to suspension of disbelief. Of course, you may need to have favourable terms in your contract to get the kind of service you want, as they probably don't offer it to every little company around.
  • you could.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Keruo ( 771880 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:11PM (#14442186)
    always do like NASA, and buy the spare parts you need from ebay
  • As the years have gone on with thousands of different machines out there from just one vendor alone, it's difficult for any one vendor to stock everything. On my ISP side, I keep spare parts of any mission critical components I have in place. IE RAID controllers, RAM, CPUs, motherboards, and NICs (not so much a problem these days with dual NICs on most server boards. But that's also my own preference since we custom build here and my equipment is required for 24/7 operation. To me it doesn't matter if I
  • ...I'm finding that most companies will stall your order for days for reasons from random extra checks through to migration of lesser known species of Vole, business needs be damned!

    Can someone please translate that into a sentence? Seriously... I can wade through some of the typical grammatical errors, but come on...
  • His lips are moving.

    Exceptions to this rule: PBFix in San Luis Obispo (sells PowerBook Parts, and has a decent stock of parts); CDW isn't bad, and CompUSA can often turn things around quickly.

    Otherwise, the big seven all have parts/SLA agreements that you can buy. The only one I trust anymore is IBM.
  • by Fortran IV ( 737299 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:19PM (#14442231) Journal
    Do you trust them to deliver by tommorow, without fail?

    Heck, I don't even trust them to spell "tomorrow".
  • If you want something at an el-cheapo price, then order Newegg.com, zipzoomfly.com, or any of the lowest price listers on pricewatch.com..

    But, if you don't mind getting ripped off for the part, order CDW. There's a reason they charge nearly 30% more than anywhere else - they'll send you what you want right away.

  • We've had great service with Dell until our accout rep got promoted and we got a rookie. We used to get our orders in 2-3 days. Now it could take up to 2 weeks. The world's best supply chain is no good if your rep doesn't process your order in time or is unwilling to go the extra mile to rush an important order through the system. It's important to have a good rep and build a relationship with him or her. The rep needs to understand your business needs. Does your business do frequent but small orders
  • I rely on ZipZoomFly [zipzoomfly.com] (formerly Googlegear) for all my off-the-shelf components and replacements -- in my mid-sized shop, that's quite a lot of components. Prices are fantastic and there is free two day shipping on pretty much everything (including a 19 inch CRT I ordered a while back). They're really good at shipping same-day and overnight rates are reasonable. Return policy is also pretty good; I've ordered enough from them that I've gotten the inevitable defective part and they've done a cross-ship (even
  • I hope you're not ordering from some discount Internet mail order retailer and then being surprised when they don't jump to attention when you need help. Trimming costs the way even the best companies like Newegg and J&R and Techonweb do requires that they treat customers anonymously... even if you have purchased from them 100 times, you are still "just another customer" and can have an order held up due to minor credit card inconsistencies and such.

    If you really want good service, you need to have an
  • McMaster Carr (Score:5, Informative)

    by RPI Geek ( 640282 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:44PM (#14442404) Journal
    I hope I don't get modded OT for this one...

    It's not a computer supply company and my personal experiences with them have been non-commercial and always to the same address, but McMaster Carr [mcmaster.com] is by far my favorite online store.

    I first visited it on a recommendation of a friend; we needed very specific fittings for a potato cannon that we were building, and the parts were nowhere to be found in any of the hardware stores we drove to. I ordered the parts on a Tuesday around noon, and the parts were waiting in the mailbox the next day when I got home around 6. I think they came UPS or FedEx but it was a few years ago so I don't recall exactly. I had similar experiences with the rest of my orders from them (2 or 3 more orders). Also, most of their inventory is geared towards commercial purposes, so even though my order was non-commercial, I believe that they deal with companies regularly.

    Want keyed Torx wrenches? Want a fire hose nozzle? Want an 18" long 0.25" diameter drill bit? No problem.
    • by Ellis D. Tripp ( 755736 ) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @12:02AM (#14443165) Homepage
      I really don't know how they do it. Quite often I can place an order before 10AM, and have the parts on my desk THAT AFTERNOON.

      An incredible catalog, nearly everything actually IN STOCK, and friendly people who answer the phone and actually know what they are talking about. The prices are a bit higher than most other suppliers, but thye convenience is well worth it...
      • I second the motion. McMaster is awesome. My only gripe is that I can't seem to get ahold of a printed catalog (yes, I want this massive brick of dead tree). Alternately, you can go to Olander. My experience is that both have crappy websites, though McMaster's is a bit better. Olander's is totally non-functional (regardless of browser/platform).

        As a mechanical designer who works mostly on computers, I find both of them to provide the incredibly valuable service of helping me select and source different
    • Let me get this straight---you get parts for your potato guns via FedEx? What ever happened to foraging behind the tool shed? Two questions come to mind:
      (1) How in the hell do you have that kind of time and money on hand?
      (2) Are they still hiring?
  • by Anomalyst ( 742352 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @09:50PM (#14442449)
    Newegg: Prices are usually within a buck or two of best. More importantly, IMHO, is their website pricing. One of the things that causes me to recommend them is their honest pricing. The out of pocket pricing is what is in bold and the rebates and other price obfuscation is in small print (with the math done for you) if you really intend to get the rebate.

    Not to long ago they tried doing what every other store does, try to deceive you with pre-calculated rebate prices in large fonts with the pocket cost in fine print. I emailed a polite letter that I was displeased with this format change and my opinion of deceptive practices and given the change I would no longer be recommending them as a supplier. They replied that it was necessary to stay competitive, especially with the price comparison sites. Nevertheless, a couple weeks later the original, honerst pricing was back in place. I doubt that my email alone was instrumental, but it put them back on my "recommended" list, plus I provide this anecdote.

    CDW: Good pricing, for Chicago area great for same day pickup/delivery. If you get you order in before noon (not exact, contact your sales rep for true cutoff) their messanger pricing are on par with next day delivery. Will-Call pickup at the Vernon Hills warehouse is very responsive, I frequently place an order after 5PM on the web site and arrive just before 7PM closing and am back out the door in 10 minutes or less. If they would open an hour earlier and stay open an hour later 8AM-8PM, they would be near perfect.

    Both these companies are worthy of your business.
  • by guanxi ( 216397 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @10:09PM (#14442564)
    Nobody is perfect, but I've had great experiences with PC Connection for over a decade. For parts they stock, you can usually order until *2am* and it will be delivered the next day (i.e. later the same day).

    My particular account manager has been fanstastic. When Airborne lost my order, she even had someone pick another order from the warehouse on a Sunday morning, and had Airborne deliver it same day (again, on a Sunday) so I could make a Monday deadline.
  • Whee (Score:3, Insightful)

    by obeythefist ( 719316 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @10:14PM (#14442580) Journal
    Technology costs money. If you require a fix within a certain time, are you paying someone to provide that fix within a certain amount of time? If not, then you have failed to plan. If you fail to plan, then of course you've planned to fail.

    If you have no money, but you still want to be able to restore your system from disaster within a certain timeframe, you must of course ensure you are able to do that yourself with the parts and equipment you have on hand.
  • by swordgeek ( 112599 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @10:16PM (#14442597) Journal
    If your company can't afford extended downtime, then your company can't afford to not have a service contract on your hardware. The service contract is, of course, only as good as the company behind it. That's one of the reasons for buying gear from the grown-up companies.

    Most of our gear is Sun (~100 mid-sized servers, say 6CPU each on average), and production is under expensive service contracts. When something goes boom, Sun is onsite, diagnosing as necessary and repairing ASAP. Parts orders are delivered in one hour. This is how you run a business.
    It's not expensive service, it's cheap insurance for the company.
    • Exactly. When you have equipment that earns you money, you pay for support contracts. When you have kit that will cost you a lot of money if you can't fix it right away, you have service contracts.

      All the big name vendors in every field, Sun and HP in servers, Cisco and Juniper in networking, etc, have service and support contract options. With Sun and Cisco, you have to be within a 3 hour drive of their warehouse to qualify, Dell will sell you a 4 hour contract even if the server is on top of a remote moun
  • by glwtta ( 532858 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @10:45PM (#14442764) Homepage
    All our servers (about 30) and desktops (about 200) are Dell. Once they get the account info they are always very helpful, so I guess it's large enough to make it into the "big enough for us to care about" category.

    I've never had any trouble overnighting and same-daying server parts; and in addition all the servers are parts and function interchangeable, so usually when something breaks I can either scavenge parts from something else, or move the service to a less used machine, and get the replacement parts in less than 12 hours.

    I supposed there's cheaper options out there (actually, I'm less and less convinced of that), but Dell has been working very well for us.

  • have spares (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thogard ( 43403 ) on Tuesday January 10, 2006 @11:51PM (#14443113) Homepage
    There is no other way than to keep spares on hand.

    Someone will claim you can't keep a backup of a big database server or other huge machine and the solution to that is redesign the problem so it uses several smaller and cheaper servers.

    Another solution is run your disaster recovery site live.
  • by jlseagull ( 106472 ) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @12:15AM (#14443231) Homepage
    There is a lot of value in knowing the dude down the street with the corner electronics shop when a drive or a valve in the demo fails 2 hours before said demo.

    For the mechanically inclined, there's McMaster-Carr [mcmaster.com].

    If you're in the same city like I was, you could order and one thousand reverse-threaded titanium compact swivel joints (real product!) would appear on your doorstep in two hours. Providing that's what you ordered, of course.
  • by capsteve ( 4595 ) * on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @01:23AM (#14443526) Homepage Journal
    and the slashdot crowd is doing it's best to figure out exactly what you want... (these half duplex conversations require creative license to figure out what the real question is) well, here's my 2 cents...

    hardware and OS, i've had the best experience with sun, especially if you have both sunspectrum and sunsolve. hands done, excellent response time, even if you have the silver or bronze level(4 or 8 hour) response.

    OS itself, once again sun, i've also recently been impressed with redhat. i was calling on behave of a client, and the person answering the phone was the tech i worked with, no dilly-dicking around with traffickers trying to figure out who to directo your call too. not bad.

    commodity hardware(x86 equipment) i'd say dell, then gateway. once you've set up a business account and done a little business, you get your company advocate, and it's actually nice to be able to talk to someone who has a record of all the shit you bought from them. their desktop/servers are BTO, but replacement parts which are RMA'ed usually ship next day.

    for random components and parts, microcenter. i'm sure tiger and frye's are comparable. it's nice to be able to walk in, scan the shelves, and pick up the part you need (HD, optical, memory, mobo, etc), and if they don't have the part you were looking for, it's easy to check out what your alternatives are.

    keep basic spare parts on your shelf (HD, optical, memory, power supply, usb hubs and cables) and have a decent toolkit and a bin of itty bitty spare pieces (jumpers, standoffs)...

    lastly keep a few online vendors handy, with credit card or corporate accounts available for bigger ticket items.
    i usually rotate between CDW, newegg, and pc/mac mall. when i absolutely need a part sometimes i'll order from a couple vendors and either keep one on the shelf as a spare, or return the extra via RMA. if you are a regular, most of these outfits won't mind(regular means more than a couple hondo a year...) if you use CDW, they often have a supply depot in major metro areas, so you might even be able to messenger/will call your parts.

    last shop i worked at we had 1 spare pc, 1 spare inkjet printer, 1 spare laser printer, 1 spare mac, multiple spare monitors, a couple spare switches, 1 spare cell phone, in addition to the spare components and parts. the pc and mac had a base os install and apps suite. if we had a machine that took more than an hour to repair, we'd drop the spare in it's place and promise to return the fixed machine the next day. i also always standardized on specific brand components, i.e. seagate HD's , kingston memory, sony monitors, etc, so when swapping out components became easier to maintain.

    good luck with your seach for a new vendor...
  • by davmoo ( 63521 ) on Wednesday January 11, 2006 @02:15AM (#14443727)
    This is probably not going to be a popular answer here. But if something fails and I need a replacement NOW, I skip the shipping crap. My first choice is a local (bumfuck middle-of-nowhere Indiana) small PC store, but they have short hours and no weekends. Stuff always fails on weekends. Second choice is the local Circuit City or Walmart. Not a lot of selection, but they're local and Walmart is 24 hour. Third choice is Best Buy, with two of them about 45 minutes away (one north, one east). Fourth choice is a PC Club store across the street from the northern Best Buy. And if none of those will work, there's a Frys about an hour plus a few minutes north. I've had no trouble with any of these sources so long as I stick to "name" product and don't buy "Wong Foo's Fresh-Off-The-Boat And Cheapest".

    The only computer stuff I've bought online or mail-order in the last year is the notebook PC I'm typing this on, because I wanted a specific model that I couldn't find stocked at any of the above places.

    And I do agree with what others have said. If its that mission critical, I have spares on hand. And when you use the next-to-last spare, its time to acquire more, don't wait until you use the last one.

Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the Sun.

Working...