Ask Slashdot: Gaining Control of My Mobile Browser? 223
An anonymous reader writes: I run Firefox with NoScript and FlashBlock at home. Browsing is easy, and I only have to enable scripts on a few sites. If they have 20+ scripts, I just surf somewhere else. Fast forward to the mobile experience. I had an Android device, but now I have an iPhone. In addition to the popup problem, and the fake "X" on ads, the iPhone browsers (Safari, Chrome, Opera) will start to show a site, then they will lock up for 10-30 seconds before finally becoming responsive. If I switch back to another app and then return to the browser, Safari and Chrome have a little delay, but Opera delays 20+ seconds before becoming responsive again.
Firefox is not available on the iPhone, so I can't simply run NoScript. Chrome does not appear to have a NoScript equivalent for mobile. What solutions are you using to make mobile browsing work?
Firefox is not available on the iPhone, so I can't simply run NoScript. Chrome does not appear to have a NoScript equivalent for mobile. What solutions are you using to make mobile browsing work?
It is, sorta (Score:5, Informative)
"Firefox is not available on the iPhone"
There's an app called virtualBrowser, which runs firefox, but you'll better have LTE.
You can try it out for free, but if you want to save installed extensions like noscript and adblock, you'll have to pay a monthly fee, 2 bucks if I remember.
There are also standalone adblocker apps. (weblock etc) I pasted my custom filters copied from adblock into mine and it works OK.
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"Firefox is not available on the iPhone"
Even if it was available, what you're getting (if it's the same as Android) is some crappy third-rate copy of desktop Firefox with a fraction of the functionality and an inability to run most of the extensions you're used to. Tried it on my Android phone and it lasted about 15 minutes before I removed it again. So for all the iDevice users waiting for Firefox, don't bother.
After trying seemingly one of every mobile browser out there, the least sucky one I've found is UC Browser [ucweb.com], which is available for iDe
Why not just enjoy the experience (Score:5, Informative)
Instead of dealing with malware in the Play store, you get to deal with no freedom in the App store. You knew the sword cut both ways when you switched, and now you're complaining?
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Instead of dealing with malware in the Play store, you get to deal with no freedom in the App store. You knew the sword cut both ways when you switched, and now you're complaining?
Better yet, use the iPhone for the apps experience, which they do better. Most sites are not mobile friendly, so use it only when I have to, such as refer to a website for address to a place, et al. I never do my normal browsing on my iPhone. Most of it is either on my laptop, and sometimes, on my tablet.
There are apps that work better on phones and tablets. Web browsers ain't one of them.
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Why not discuss the technical fucking merits of his question, rather than break out the edgelord fedora and go off the rails on why he should or should not have switched? It adds literally zero to the discussion and is not even remotely of interest.
Re: Why not just enjoy the experience (Score:4, Insightful)
If you want to talk about freedom, why are you letting your employer hold your phone over your head like a bully teasing a child?
Go buy your own phone if you want control over it. Otherwise, don't complain.
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Not all switches are "willingly".
I had the choice of free iPhone with support by my employer, or pay for phone and no support if I wanted android.
Easy answer throw the iPhone junk in the nearest waste bin tell your employer to supply proper phones not over priced under capable apple crap
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He's getting something for free from his employer, and you actually think he's in a position to dictate what his employer ought to give him?
My question to the GP would be - which country is he in? Since in the US, if he selected a carrier, like the big 4, he'd automatically get a choice of a phone w/ a 2 year contract. Good deals on both Galaxies and Moto X. Yeah, if he's abroad, then he pretty much has to take what his employer gives him, or fork out an arm and a let for a good phone.
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His employer is paying him probably $100,000 per year, and he shouldn't be able to make a suggestion regarding a $700/two year expense?
His empoyer is paying him $100k a year and he can't afford to buy his own phone? See this works both ways.
You're not supposed to ask that (Score:5, Funny)
Accept the walled garden. Even if you find a fix now Apple will probably break it with the next release.
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Or just switch back to Android after realizing that you fell for all the FUD about Play store malware and paid 2x as much for an Apple phone as a result, while getting a worse experience. Firefox for Android does what you want.
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Serious question: But how do I totally block Google? My objection isn't so much with the advertising as with the tracking. I don't want Google to know much of ANYTHING about me and I don't want them to track ANYTHING about me. I imagine I can jail break the phone, but that seems a bit extreme. Give me a good solution to my problem -- which is far bigger than mere advertising, imo -- and I would probably be interested in your solution. Until then (and aware that this may change) I don't see Apple sharin
Re:You're not supposed to ask that (Score:5, Informative)
Re:You're not supposed to ask that (Score:5, Interesting)
On iOS you've got a few alternatives.
1) Set up a VPN, and run that VPN through privoxy to strip the junk.
2) Jailbreak and install Adblocker 2, Firewall iP, PrivaCy and if you want, Tor.
Re:You're not supposed to ask that (Score:4, Funny)
Given a choice between trusting my data to a hipster company motivated by profit, but convinced that it is a still a trendsetter, and a company whose entire business model is based on the collection and distribution of information that it collects by looking over people's shoulders, I actaually feel safer with the deluded hipsters. Even if they are no more trustworthy, their reach is not as great, so I'm willing to bet the fallout will be (marginally) easier to contain.
On some level, to Apple, I'm a customer. To Google, I'm just a product.
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Follow the money.
Apple makes the bulk of its money from people like me. When I buy an iPhone, Apple makes money. When I buy an album from the iTunes store, or an app from the App Store, Apple gets a cut (and, if it's more expensive than the minimum, more than was necessary to cover the credit card transaction). The money that Apple gets from ad services is much smaller.
I give money to Apple. I'm a customer.
Google makes almost all of its money from advertising. Except when I bought a Nexus 7, I d
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Root the phone, remove Google apps, use alternative apps.
Is that sufficient? Can you be sure that the vendor's build of Android doesn't phone home?
Unfortunately, installing the alternative, Cyanogen, requires your phone be supported.
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Don't log into a Google account?
Pretty damned easy...
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Well, sort of ... you'll never get updates, and good luck confirming that just because you don't log into a Google account you don't hit Google servers.
On a stock Nexus tablet, for instance, Google is pretty much baked into EVERYTHING.
You want to keep an Android device from calling home to Google (or whoever made it), remove its battery. Otherwise, I'd not be so sure it's not.
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You want to keep an Android device from calling home to Google (or whoever made it), remove its battery. Otherwise, I'd not be so sure it's not.
on newer versions of android, the google-ness of the device is factored out into the "google services" APK, by design. this allows them to update critical code without requiring a vendor-blessed OTA. if you don't have that installed, your device isn't phoning home.
lots of companies take AOSP and build solutions on top of it that have no connection at all to google.
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And, more importantly ... if you buy an Android device without Google's crap loaded on it ... just whose crap will be on it?
I doubt anybody is selling you an Android phone which is clean, pristine, rooted, and doesn't have their own crap on it.(*)
Sure, and you can have a sparkly unicorn which shits gold.
(*) If such an animal exists, I'd love to know where to get one.
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Whose crap is on your iPhone or WinPhone? At least Android lets you sideload alternatives. Seriously, if you use a search engine, they're logging your searches. If you use a free email system, they're logging your emails. I guess Firefox private mode might help you when searching - if you don't trust Chrome's incognito...
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And whatever is bundled by your carrier. You missed that piece.
Re: You're not supposed to ask that (Score:2)
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You're basically asking "how can I buy and use an iPhone without dealing with any Apple software". It's ridiculous. Android is completely dominated by Google. You can try using Cyanogenmod or some other distribution but you're going to have a VERY hard time avoiding Google completely.
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you're going to have a VERY hard time avoiding Google completely.
Not really. If it's something that is important to you it can be done in 2 days without expert knowledge. You are not going to get everything that Google has, but enough to be useable.
Re:You're not supposed to ask that (Score:4, Interesting)
Serious question: But how do I totally block Google?
Using Apple devices is a pretty good solution for that. Another option is Cyanogenmod.
It's an open-source Android fork with better privacy: http://cyanogenmod.org/ [cyanogenmod.org]
Installing it is usually simple, but can be difficult or impossible on certain phones. If you're after a turnkey solution, your best bet is the OnePlus One, which ships with Cyanogen preinstalled. List price is $299, but they're going for about $400 on amazon right now, due to limited availability.
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Serious question: But how do I totally block Google?
The same way you block Google from desktop computers: install and use a firewall. You'll have to root the phone first, of course.
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Switch to FireFoxOS, BlackBerry, or Windows Phone. Hundreds of users, myself included (BB10 & FFOS), couldn't be happier.
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Serious question: But how do I totally block Google?
don't use google apps or search (on iOS)? what's the confusion here? or are you asking how to take advantage of the incredible web and mobile ecosystem google has created without compensating them?
while you are at it, ask yourself how to drive a BMW without paying, and to enjoy your favorite food without buying it. there are ways to do so right?
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Re: You're not supposed to ask that (Score:2)
Except that the play store is loaded with malware. And advertisers take advantage of mobile websites and android to do all sorts of crap.
Personally I have tried Adblock for android it is crap that doesn't work right. I shouldn't have to have a daemon tuning a local proxy loop to stop malware(seperate advertising is malware).
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Except that the play store is loaded with malware.
Its really not "loaded" with malware.
If you are that worried that what you are about to download is malware, check the ios store first, if its there with the same name, same icon, and same publisher, its not going to be "malware".
If its not on ios (and really the only things that aren't going to be there that a normal person would want would be things that ios actively doesn't allow) -- so a handful of technical utilities, arcade emulators, 3rd party browser
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There is malware in the Apple garden too, it is just that the reality distortion field prevents people from seeing it.
http://www.cnet.com/news/resea... [cnet.com]
http://www.zdnet.com/article/d... [zdnet.com]
Granted, there has not been much of it, but according to the second link, they don't allow security software either (I stopped supporting Apple 3 years ago, so it could have changed though), so if something gets through the app store, or the browser, or however else, there is nothing out there to protect you.
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i sideload apps all the time on my ios8
Care to explain how you are misrepresetning ios8 support for side loading apps. Because there are a variety of possibilities... but ALL of them are a misrepresentation.
Re: You're not supposed to ask that (Score:2)
Jailbreak for packages distributed via Cydia (or .deb packages for APT, which is sideloading as far as Cydia packages go) and install Appsync Unified (not the Chinese "ppsync" crap) for sideloading of .ipa packages, in other words App Store apps.
Say again that sideloading is impossible on iOS without mentioning 8.1.3 and you're not telling the whole story.
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"Jailbreak "... enough said.
Is misrepresenting what IOS "supports"; in that you are exploiting a bug to allow it; it is officially NOT supported at all.
The Developer program is another sideloading method, this time, actually supported by ios8, but it is hardly a general purpose solution to distributing apps outside the app store, and it would be a misrepresentation to say it was.
The enterprise program is yet another sideloading method, and it too is officially sanctioned by ios8, but again is hardly a gener
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If you really don't trust the Play store just install F-Droid, or the Amazon store, or don't install any apps at all... You can't have the freedom to use Firefox and a walled garden.
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So this is FUD?
http://www.bbc.com/news/techno... [bbc.com]
"Android users are being warned that several popular apps that were on the official Google Play store appear to have contained hidden code that made malicious ads pop up.
Security firm Avast said that one of the apps involved - a free version of the card game Durak - had been downloaded up to 10 million times, according to Google Play's own counter."
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Perhaps the majority of Android users don't consider advertising as equivalent to malware?
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From the article....
"You get re-directed to harmful threats on fake pages, like dubious app stores and apps that attempt to send premium SMS behind your back or to apps that simply collect too much of your data for comfort while offering you no additional value," wrote Avast's malware analyst Filip Chytry."
You don't consider that to be malware?
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I don't consider an advertisement for that crap to be malware. Are we gonna start calling Google Search malware because you might be directed to a malware site?
Who installs apps from advertisements in apps anyways?
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Easy solution. (Score:3, Informative)
Buy an Android phone (or Jolla), run Firefox, be happy.
If you buy closed junk, you get closed junk, deal with it.
Ditch iPhone (Score:4, Informative)
Read subject. You can not get an alternative browser on iPhones, it is not allowed, all the "alternative" browsers on iPhones are just reskinned Safari because Apple does not allow alternative browsers. So if you are wondering how to get control over you phone again: Ditch iPhone!
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Used all my mod points yesterday, elsewise you'd get them for upvotes
Re:Ditch iPhone (Score:4, Interesting)
perhaps a proxy (outside the phone) would help? yes, its another box and its not going to work for cell data; you'd have to wifi thru that proxy box and that would connect to cellular or some other net connection.
I would like to know how apple people deal with the 'locked browser' stuff and if anyone has figured out a way to get the same level of adblocking as, say, a rooted android with the right apps installed.
(almost funny to think about it: but a cheap old used android that is rooted could be the REAL cellular-to-wifi gateway, it can proxy and block ads and then your phone would only run wifi, at least for browsing. yes, you'd carry 2 phones but you'd USE the iphone and the other android phone would just be in your pocket, hidden).
the 'raw internet' is unusable (for me) unless there are good blockers, so if there is really no good way to do this natively on an iphone, I guess any hopes I had of someday buying an iphone will have disappeared. I refuse to be FORCED into the raw internet. its not worth using if that's the case.
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That is one idea. There is also getting a virtual machine and running one's own VPN with ad blocking functionality (transparant proxy.) The downside of this is that it can get slow if the VPN server is a number of hops away.
If jailbreaking is an option, that is another route. There are adblockers on the Cydia store which are useful, as well as utilities like PMP (Protect My Privacy.) Without jailbreaking, a lot of sites you will go to will let you view the site for 15 seconds... then kick you to the App
Re:Ditch iPhone (Score:5, Informative)
You can not get an alternative browser on iPhones, it is not allowed,
Yes, you can.
all the "alternative" browsers on iPhones are just reskinned Safari because Apple does not allow alternative browsers
All iOS browsers use WebKit. That's completely orthogonal to the original question: are there iOS browsers that block ads and pop-ups? The answer is yes, there are.
Re:Ditch iPhone (Score:5, Informative)
Mercury and Atomic Browser are the two big ones, both of which have integrated ad-blocking which is quite effective.
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http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/03/... [9to5mac.com]
And unlike Android, if you have any iOS device released since June 2011, you can update to iOS 8.
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The word "orthogonal" grew out of its strictly geometric definition 500 years ago. Get with the times, learn the language.
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Re:Ditch iPhone (Score:4, Informative)
GP means all browsers on iOS use WebKit, which is correct; even Chrome for iOS does. That being said, there are a number of WebKit-based browsers for iOS that block ads and popups.
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This. Even the antique version on my craptastic ZTE Open is like a breath of fresh air.
Hell, even if you don't like it, it's well-worth supporting. If Mozilla can do for the mobile OS landscape what they did for the browser we all win.
Don't even bother asking (Score:5, Insightful)
All you'll get on Slashdot is "neener-neener" posts from Android fan boys telling you you deserve it for buy the Phone That Shall Not Be Named. What you should have done was ask Google, and it would have taken you to a number of browsers available for iOS that block banner ads. Question answered, no psychopathic schadenfreude.
Re:Don't even bother asking (Score:5, Informative)
In an attempt to actually answer the question, try the Mercury browser. Basically Safari + AdBlock. The others are usually crapware/adware. https://itunes.apple.com/us/ap... [apple.com]
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URL filtering engine to block most ad banners
That's cool.
You can open up to 10 tabs.
That's not.
Re:Don't even bother asking (Score:5, Informative)
He's not asking for a non-WebKit browser. He's asking for a browser that blocks ads and pop-ups, of which there are many for iOS. And yes, they all use WebKit. That has nothing to do with the question asked.
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My understanding is that non-Safari browsers as of iOS 8 now get to use JIT for Javascript. Chrome specifically doesn't use this feature still for some reason.
I don't notice a meaningful difference between Safari and Mercury on an iPhone 6+.
My own personal conspiracy theory is the lack of ad blocking in Safari isn't about technology or Apple's walled garden security approach but about making nice with "content providers" and specifically trying to be advertiser friendly, either because there's somehow more
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http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/03/... [9to5mac.com]
"As of iOS 8, however, it seems that decision has been reversed. All apps will now be able to use the same improved JavaScript engine that powers Safari. That means Googleâ(TM)s Chrome browser on iOS will now be just as quick as Safari, as will the p
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AdAway is more convenient, but you can also copy your Hosts file from your Windows box to block ads in Android, you do have to convert appropriate LFs for *nix obviously. I have custom items in my Hosts file, so this is what I did.
A side benefit is it functions in all the browsers on my 'droid, Firefox, and any of the others that I never use.
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Cue APK hosts file post in 3...2...1...
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I DONT reccomend HTC. Get Samsung or better yet, buy a nexus phone.
I have an HTC ONE M8 biggest POS ever. and their damned "S-ON" security bullshit is so bad that never buying HTC anything forever is worth it.
Quit being a poor person and buy a Nexus outright and get a REAL Android phone that does not fight you.
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It looks like this "S-On" can be disabled to allow rooting of the phone.
http://www.android.gs/gain-s-o... [android.gs]
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From there install https://fdroid.org/ [fdroid.org] [fdroid.org] as your repository and download adaway
the same fdroid that has a self-signed (or otherwise invalid, i'm not sure) certificate on their https website?
awesome idea.
Partial answer using hosts.txt (Score:4, Informative)
Run DD-WRT on router, put hosts.txt on USB drive, add this script to "firewall" commands:
This blocks almost all ads in mobile Safari, but only works at home of course. The hosts.txt can be updated by sharing the USB or ssh to router, then reboot. This script is a bit different from the one on dd-wrt site that downloads hosts.txt on boot, but that script doesn't actually work.
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What device are you using? (Score:2, Interesting)
Your iPhone can't lock up for 10-30 seconds, as that would activate the watchdog and kill the app. What's really happening?
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The watchdog only fires if a single runloop takes that long. The poster is talking about the delay whilst a web-page is being loaded, during which time he can't interact with the web-app. But the browser is performing runloops properly.
There is no hope. (Score:5, Insightful)
Android is slightly better, in that (while it is peddled by a massive surveillance-and-advertising vendor) it is fairly easy to buy a handset that will accept substantial modification without the blessing of the creator. iOS starts from an incrementally less user-hostile place; but Apple's dedication to lockdown is very, very, thorough and relatively competent. Short of using the phone as a VNC/RDP/ICA client and connecting to a real computer, you are mostly SOL.
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"Mobile" is basically a trailer for the cryptographically sealed dystopia after the demise of the general purpose computer. Your options are basically 'consume that content, just the way its creator intended you to' or 'walk away'..
Yes, that is correct. And 'walk away' is exactly what people need to do. .The ADD/OCD stare-at-your-phone-every-minute-of-the-day crowd doesn't want to hear it, but if you're having problems surfing the web on your phone, it's because you're doing it wrong.
Browsing the Internet on a phone is a perfect example of the old saying: "Just because you *CAN* do something, doesn't mean you *SHOULD*." Other than the occasional "I need to look up directions to somewhere" I leave my Internet use to comfortably bro
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Well done.
On a side note I've read that many people here don't browse on their devices, whether Android or iPhone.
I thought I was only one.
I rooted my Galaxy a while back, etc; to gain a little control over it, but to be honest, the "browsing of websites" is utter dreck on any smart phone. Just annoying as hell, and not just because of ads. Also because of how the sites look in the different browsers is just real
Atomic Browser (Score:3)
I use Atomic Browser for ad-heavy sites. It has some nice features and could do several things Safari couldn't. You can also download pages if you are going to fly or want a ready reference.
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I used to like Atomic, but it no longer is updated (last update was in 2012), and does not work with tap-and-hold gestures since iOS 7, so I have wound up using the Mercury browser for similar functionality.
I wish the author would update it, so it works fully with iOS 8.x.
Effective filter (Score:2)
Just, like, don't visit sites with intrusive ads on your mobile phone. Otherwise you're just contributing to the arms race.
I only frequent a few sites on my mobile during my commute... fark, arstechnica, classic.slashdot.org, maybe a little ttac.com . facebook.com now works much better than it used to (uninstalled the facebook app once they started uploading my address book).
Rarely visit the linked news articles at sources with terribad ads, can glean enough of the interesting tidbits and analysis throug
May I suggest... (Score:2)
... moving your browsing elsewhere if your favourite sites require NoScript to be readable?
This is free, platform independent advice.
iPhone AND user control? (Score:3, Informative)
Mercury and Atomic Browser (Score:5, Informative)
Both browsers are cheap and will block most ads. I've used Atomic for the past several years as my primary browser on my iPhone 4 and 5s, iPad 3, and iPad Mini retina, and it has worked very well on all. The browser is very configurable and makes much better use of small real estate than Safari. It's very rare that Atomic has let me down or that I have to fall back to using Safari or Chrome (maybe twice a year?).
I've used Mercury less than Atomic, but only because Atomic has worked well. The little I have used Mercury, I've had no complaints.
Alas there's precious little company support or user community for Atomic. If Mercury turns out to be better for this, I might be willing to switch.
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That's great to know. On my iPads I'd love to suppress the mobile versions of all sites.
And spoofing the agent string to pretend you're a bot can be an efective way to access paywalled sites.
But of course I'd never do that...
Android: Root + hosts Adblocker (i.e. AdAway) (Score:2)
Closest I've come is the above... basically, use an automated app with root privileges to add the main ad-servers to your hosts file.
Other than that, you're pretty much fucked.
Windows! No Really! (Score:2)
Wow! Many stupid! Wow! (Score:4, Informative)
The amount of misinformation in this topic is staggering.
There's enough cool stuff in the App Store that take a lot of the hurt away. I'm using iCab Mobile [icab-mobile.de], an alternative to Safari that has many options, ad blocking one amongst them.
As for the comments that all browsers are just reskinned versions of an older Safari version, as far as I know the new WKWebView component makes it possible for alternative browsers to have equal speed compared to Safari.
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No one said that they were reskinned versions of an older Safari version (at least that I can see).
What they said is that the other browsers are reskinned Safari, which is true. You can play around with the menus and how bookmarks are stored and stuff like that, but if you try to submit code that renders HTML apple will reject it as duplicated core functionality. What you are left with is using the Safari engine to render your the HTML/Javascript then.. Of course it's going to be just as fast.. It will alw
Narrow (Score:2)
I use a Javascript-free browser on my iPhone called "Narrow". I highly recommend it.
try again (Score:2)
phones are designed and marketed for exactly the opposite of what you are asking for. all of them. also, phones are today the most used devices for browsing, and counting. that should give you a rough idea of where the internet is heading, and why you are asking the wrong question.
Alternatives (Score:2)
There's also one called ScriptBlock, but I haven't tried it.
scroll down (Score:2)
Just use Tumblr for your iPhone porn.
The best I've been able to come up with (Score:2)
All the mobile browsers are absolutely fucking horrible. Firefox mobile is the best, but it also sucks.
On Android, I use XServer-XSDL, an Ubuntu chroot (Debian doesn't build chromium for armhf anymore), and desktop Firefox + Grab-and-Drag, or Chromium+umatrix. This also sucks, but it sucks less than anything native. YMMV.
Why not use a proxy that blocks certain domains? (Score:2)
What if you created a WEP that uses a domain blocking proxy or is that too simplistic a solution?
Elinks as dream mobile browser (Score:2)
My dream mobile browser would be elinks. What better way to reduce bandwidth for phone-based news reading than to never download any of the images, ever? Also, elinks has no Javascript support, and it does a nice job of controlling layouts (for the most part; some canvas-heavy websites will look "flattened", where you can see canvases for status updates that haven't actually occurred, because some Javascript code segment normally doesn't reveal it until the proper time).
For when you do need to view an ima
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As someone with a low uid, I don't RUN apps nor have a smartphone. I don't need one, I don't want one, and I *refuse* to pay for one just to have the latest tech gadget. I'd rather buy a new PC that I'll actually *use*.
Re: Gain Control of Your iPhone Environment? (Score:2)
Or jailbreak (stay off 8.1.3!) and enjoy the style and smoothness of even the current base-level device (currently, iPhone 5c) with the freedom and customization available when you knock down the wall. Hell, my iPad has a command-line multi-system assembler that can, among others, handle 6502 and 68000 code. Can your mobile device assemble Sega Genesis code? Mine can :)
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"Legitimate" sites like NBC and the New York Times
Well there's your problem.