Legal Music Distribution for Education? 58
discstickers asks: "One of my classes next semester, 'Roots of Rock & Roll', has been canceled, because the professor isn't allowed to post the songs needed for the class, on a limited-access server ([which would] only be available to people registered for the class). So Slashdot, is there a legal way to get around this? The MP3s in question are old albums and individual songs. The cost shouldn't be too high, there are 100 people in the class with Macs and PCs, and we'd have to be able to burn the music to mix CDs for the final project."
way back machine (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:way back machine (Score:1)
(spent all my points earlier)
Hmmmm...... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hmmmm...... (Score:1)
Absolutely. This is because book and magazine publishers aren't the profiteering bunch of fuckmonkeys that the RIAA are. The RIAA says if you didn't purchase it, don't let us catch you listening to it or we swear to God we'll fucking kill you.
A professor photocopying multiple textbooks in order to make a coursepack to hand out to his students == perfectly legal.
A professor ripping multiple purchased CDs in order to make a C
Re:Hmmmm...... (Score:2, Insightful)
No, it isn't, its just not enforced often. I have taken a lot of classes where we were told that there is a copy of a particualr textbook in the library on reserve and that we should view a particualr article there as it was the only article fro mthat textbook we were going to use, so there was no need to purchase the book, but it was not legal to photocopy it and hand it out in class.
Re:Hmmmm...... (Score:1)
Or so I assume.
The law has a provision for this (Score:2)
People who do not know their rights, do not really have them.
From Subject Matter and Scope of Copyright [loc.gov] page 24
Nonetheless we live in a society of copyright extremists. Plese mention the Eldred A [eldred.cc]
Re:The law has a provision for this (Score:2)
IANAL, but I do work in educational technology. We've had instructors who have contacted publishers and gotten written permission to distribute some old software, tu
Re:The law has a provision for this (Score:1)
Yes, please. This seems like a clear-cut case of fair use, as long as the course takes reasonable measures to make sure that the songs don't find their way onto file sharing networks!
Re:Hmmmm...... (Score:1)
for more information on copyright law you might want to go to groklaw.net where PJ is talking abo
Just go around the RIAA (Score:2)
Unlike the big names a school can easily negotiate with such groups and most of them will be delighted to help other people appreciate music and become musicians - because they've not forgotten what music is about..
Minor bands (Score:1)
What if one of "the needed points" is that attributes A, B, and C of the music and attributes D and E of the performance are correlated with how high a record climbed on the charts? In such a case, "minor bands that illustrate the needed points" don't exist because if "minor bands ... illustrate[d] the needed points", they wouldn't be "minor" anymore.
Nonsense. (Score:2)
If they are studying only the musical aspects (that is why they need the recordings) then any band that can play the music to a proficient enough level (most can, they are musicians after all) would be able to convey a close enough experience.
In Classical music this is common day to day practice, whay it should not be the case with Rock and Roll?
"aspects of how Elvis sung" (Score:1)
If they are studying only the musical aspects
Are you sure that this is in fact the case? In my mind, the study of rock music is unlike the study of classical music in that the study of rock music tends to encompass the study of a particular chart-topping recording as much as the study of the music itself.
RIAA sez... (Score:2)
Students will NOT bring tape recorders to class to record the lecture in order to avoid possibly
Re:RIAA sez... (Score:2)
Second, there is nothing to prevent students from selling their CD's back at the end of the term, or lending the CD's to each other during the term. That's perfectly legal.
Copyright isn't a license. It's a set of laws about who has the legal right to make and of distribute copies.
Re:RIAA sez... (Score:1)
Do these people even come from the same planet?!
Sounds like fair use to me (Score:2)
Re:Sounds like fair use to me (but it's not) (Score:2)
Re:Sounds like fair use to me (Score:2)
That's not quite the same as showing a movie in class. The original post talks about making the songs available from a server and also says it is a requirement to be able to burn the music to CD's for a final project. The equivalent using your movie analogy would be to
Possible Solution (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Possible Solution (Score:3, Funny)
Question unclear - ask again later. (Score:2)
There is a document (Score:2, Informative)
iTunes to the rescue! (Score:2)
Second, have the professor post a list of the songs that he will be teaching for the semester. Chances are, some students might already have some of the songs on CD or whatever, esp. if they're taking the class because they like rock and roll!
Third, have each student purchase the necessary songs from iTunes (with educational discount) for their own use.
Seriously, as long as it's under 100 songs, there's no problem
Re:iTunes to the rescue! (Score:2)
Re:iTunes to the rescue! (Score:1)
Re:iTunes to the rescue! (Score:2)
Reserves (Score:1)
Even if you work around this... (Score:4, Funny)
pretty simple actually (Score:1)
MP3s to be given to 100 students (Score:2)
With the fast CD writers available today, this [bestbuy.com] might do the job for you and might take less time than setting up the server, managing server security and authentication etc...
But then again, don't break any copyright law!
It's a music class, not a piracy class (Score:2)
Unless there are a bunch of rarities in the playlist, chances are that $10 at a used record shop will net all the originals. (Not those hokey remastered-on-CD things.) Most college-age kids would learn a lot about music by going to such a store.
Re:It's a music class, not a piracy class (Score:2)
Do DJ's even still use records?
Buy the music for the professor. Put the albums on reserve in the library. Play it in class. Let students sort it out.
Or... contact one of the firms that sells custom CDs. have them put together a compilation cd and *sell* it at the bookstore.
you're right about not making the class about piracy or RIAA or p2p or music distribution. Just focus on the music.
Re:It's a music class, not a piracy class (Score:2)
http://www.radiodmz.com/dmz/trailer_divx.avi
Re:It's a music class, not a piracy class (Score:2)
I can personally vouch for Los Angeles and Milwaukee having used record shops, and based on that would assume they're available in most metro areas.
TEACH Act (Score:1)
The TEACH Act [google.com] is meant for situations just like yours. A bit of reading here [nea.org] or here [ncsu.edu] should get you going. It is by no means a smooth path, for instance I cannot copy the laser discs we own, even to preserve them - let alone embed parts of them in power point presentations, like we want to do. One thing I do know is that copyright, as applies to schools is a gradient of gray, never black and neverwhite.
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Roots Of Rock & Roll (Score:2)
Of course if it's one of those fake courses that skips over the real roots and plays more modern stuff then that doesn't work. Then again would you want to learn anything from a course that glossed over the real history?
Jurismydiction (Score:2)
If we're talking about the roots then most of the tracks should be over 50 years old - you could legally post them in Europe.
But if it's being taught in the United States, then it doesn't really matter where the songs are posted in; it matters where the songs are posted from, that is, the laws of the soil where a human being controls the compilation. This would be the United States, where copyrights on sound recordings last effectively forever. Because of a technicality in the U.S. copyright law, new c
Compulsory licensing (Score:4, Interesting)
The campus radio station should broadcast the
songs at a specific time -- the copyright holders
would get a small compensation.
Then the professor should ask the students to each
tape that broadcast for personal use, which they are
legally allowed to do.
Re:Compulsory licensing (Score:1)
I don't think that there is a pay for play radio cost either, unless there are different rules in your country. The basic argument was that the radio stations simply stopped playing the music and the public stopped buying so the record industry decided they could not do this.
In fact I found out that there is a scheme for major radio stations to get paid by the record companies for playing their music. There ar
Re:Compulsory licensing (Score:1)
Re:Compulsory licensing (Score:1)
You know, I thought that once too. Then someone mentioned this [eff.org], which allows you to do exactly that. Tape broadcast material.
sounds like a decent idea to me. (Score:1)
so gschisse (Score:1)
CD list (Score:1)
I would also question the value of having an entire piece available to students. What's the point. Do you really need to listen to various pieces of black music of the 40's to know that's where Elvis and Buddy Holly stole their playing style?
Since this is obviously a 'frippery', useless class, why doesn't the prof exam
Use Streaming (Score:1)
QTSS, or its variant Darwin Streaming Server, runs on MacOS X, Windoze, RedHat, BSD, and probably others. Files can be received with the free QuickTime player on Mac and PCs, and if you use formats like MP3, are probably acceptable on any OS you could find. The new version of QTSS has improved adminis
QTSS + TLC card catalog (Score:2)
Re:QTSS + TLC card catalog (Score:2)
You ought to look into Compressor, it comes with Final Cut Pro and probably other products. Compressor can create a drag n drop applet that can invoke Applescript,
Re:QTSS + TLC card catalog (Score:2)
Music appreciation classes? (Score:2)
The professor should find a rock-n-roll anthology series of CDs with the music and have the campus book stores offer it for sale. Then have the library have them available for listening or checkout. Or maybe get a couple of local bands to do covers of the s
iTunes (Score:1)
Treat it the same as course books (Score:1)
Why not do the same thing for music coursework? Everyone would be required to buy the 50 songs listed for the course. At 99 cents each, that's about the same price as a book.
Alternatively, the professor could legally post 30-second samples of each song. Though not optimal, s/he could at least pick sections o
Something is fishy. . . (Score:1)
Taking a similar class at my school, what is the problem with using a textbook, that contains a CD (legally done by the publisher) of selected works? In my music appreciation class, our literature for the class included 4 CDs (or 4 tapes for that matter). And if you purchase the book, you purchase the CDs that come along with it.