



Stubborn Spyware Removal Advice? 223
onedobb asks: "I'm sure all of us are familiar with Lavasoft's Ad-Adware and Spybot Search and Destroy, however there always seems to be that particular piece of spyware, or malware that seems to slip past both of those programs (even with the most recent definition updates, and virus definitions). What program combinations, or websites do you use to uproot that last bit of unwanted software intrusion?"
The only solution ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The only solution ... (Score:3)
Is it lack of caring, just not keeping their computer up to date, not knowing what's okay to install or not?
I seldom have problems.
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
both of them downloaded free screensavers off the internet
Re: The only solution ... (Score:2)
Tell us more about this 'female' thing you mentioned.
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
female, 27, masters degree...downloaded a cat that walks around her desktop!
IT'S A DISTURBING TREND!
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
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> Is it lack of caring, just not keeping their computer up to date, not knowing
Yeah! And I don't understand how the hell people ever encounter dead batteries in their flashlights - I mean, do they just not care about flashlight maintenance?
Why on earth does anyone ever experience dropped calls on their cellphones - it's almost as though people haven't memorized the map of coverage areas, and inexplicably neglected to check the bluepri
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
> to stop the "oh it's too hard so I'll just ignore it" BS, stop being afraid of the damned thing,
Couldn't agree with you more (I've done plenty of time in the trenches too). But it's not going to happen.
Computers are way more complicated to use than they ought to be. They sell 'em because the benefits for most people outweigh the drawbacks. But to put people like us out of business, the way to go is to make computers simpler, not
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
So, just for the record, you walk around your car every morning to check that the wheels are still on? You should consider moving to a lower crime rate area.
I don't think that people expect their browsers or email client to be able to run arbitrary code at elevated privilege on their system without their knowledge. Yet it happens. As for me, if someone stole the wheels on my car, I would probably
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I had to create a house rule after infecting my own PC. No software installation when using ethanol...
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
(just curious. slow night, and your comment sparked my interest)
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Re:The only solution ... (Score:4, Insightful)
How do you know you're executing the real format executable and not a fake that simulates a formatted system just to fool you?
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M
Give it a few minutes and the drive is wiped enough for a clean install.
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
Generally you'll be doing a reinstall from a CD... (Score:2)
Re:The only solution ... (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, it worked perfectly!
That's actually not bad advice... (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether this is a good call mostly depends on how much different software you use and how customised you have it. But arguably most people who use lots of highly-customised software are computer-savvy enough to avoid a spyware infection in the first place.
If you are looking a office worker's computer that is
Re:The only solution ... (Score:3)
Oh, wait. No she can't. In fact, I'm not sure I could, either.
Re:The only solution ... (Score:2)
That's a temporary solution (Score:2)
Obviously, putting a real operating system on is advisable.
If, for whatever reason, you can't follow that advice, you can still take less effective steps. If you don't require the newer versions of windows (and many don't) you can use 98lite to install windows 98 or ME (98 is better, obviously) without most of the infection vectors used today.
If you must use XP, you may be able to run as a non-privileged user (although a depressingly high
Good point (Score:2)
Re:That's a temporary solution (Score:2)
You see, the word 'real' has a number of different meanings in colloquial English.
Obviously I'm not implying that MicroSoft's OSs are imaginary, but rather that they are 'toys', not serious systems suitable for serious users who need 'real computers.' And that's just the obvious truth of the matter.
HijackThis + Google (Score:5, Informative)
Re:HijackThis + Google (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:HijackThis + Google (Score:5, Informative)
Re:HijackThis + Google (Score:5, Informative)
Hijack this will at least let you view the details of your system, and let you remove the malware by hand.
Re:HijackThis + Google (Score:3, Informative)
Even though I rely heavily on HijackThis and Google, I also rely heavily on the fact that I've seen so many hundreds of systems, that I can go through the ty
Re:HijackThis + Google (Score:2)
If these don't work... (Score:3, Insightful)
Install Linux (Score:2)
Re:If these don't work... (Score:2)
If anything goes wrong, or every 6 months or so, I just re-dump that image onto my computer, and everything's fresh and brand new.
Well.... (Score:5, Informative)
Vundo removal tool [symantec.com]
Some Free removal tools and the Bitdefender Live CD [bitdefender.com]
AVG anyone? (Score:3, Informative)
You Forgot the Browser... (Score:2)
AVG, S&D, Adaware (although less so now, S&D seems good enough) and Firefox!
Malware free for 2 years
Prevention is the best cure (Score:3, Informative)
Spyware (Score:4, Informative)
We use this at a universtiy on lab computers that are available to the public, as well as desktop machines , laptops, etc. So far, I'll say that we've not encountered anything we know about it hasn't handled.
2 cents,
Queen B
Re:Spyware (Score:2)
The Nuclear Option (Score:2, Insightful)
And then, don't screw up your system.
Re:The Nuclear Option (Score:2)
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Re:low level format? whatever (Score:2)
A "Low-Level format" refers to that actual creation of sectors on a drive, literally creating order from the chaos of a bare metal platter. Many years ago, like in the years of "megabyte" sized drives, companies offered tools that would allow you to go through the and "reformat" the drive, rewriting the sectors and tracks as had been done at the factory, usually in an effort to try and cure bad sectors. The formats seldom did much good, and since there was a good chance you'd fubar the drive, compa
Re:low level format? whatever (Score:2)
Who needs fancy tools? We have dd, /dev/random and /dev/zero, and /dev/hda. Anyone who's managed to find their way to /. ought to be able to piece these together to adequately scramble the contents of a hard drive...
Re:low level format? whatever (Score:2)
Re:low level format? whatever (Score:2)
Re:low level format? whatever (Score:2)
MFM drives often required the occasional LLF for real... I had to LLF my 286's HD every couple years, and it would only speak to Disk Manager v3.2, special version for Seagate. I got to where I knew the bad sector table by heart!
Prevention (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Prevention (Score:2)
Re:Prevention (Score:2, Informative)
And before you suggest running as a non-admin user, don't forget that a lot of programs will not run properly unless you have admin rights.
Now, I guess you could put the hosts file on a floppy and write-protect that. Then you can create a symlink to the file on the floppy.
Re:Prevention (Score:2)
That's true of ANYTHING when runnning admin on windows. Install an antivirus but you get a trojan that hasnt been caught yet? Or your definitions are way out of date. Same deal. At least with ad blocking you're not able to get 90% of the ads and spyware packages out there because you're cutting off the vector to download.
I wouldnt at all call it a dumb suggestion. Well, its mine, so I kinda life it but you get some added benefit
Re:Prevention (Score:2)
If you use Windows, AutoUpdate at least weekly. Nightly may be overkill, but isn't really hurting anything.
Turn on the Firewall and do not allow exceptions unless you know what they are for.
Install and use Opera or Firefox.
Install and update AVG and/or Avast. Norton is overkill for most home users. Why pay $50 for something only marginally better than th
Re:Prevention (Score:2)
Yes, but only because of stoopid developers who only run as an Administrators (group) user themselves. Most things don't need any kind of Admin access to run.
Personally, I have had good success with a number of freeware/shareware developers by telling them exactly what breaks about their programs when not running under an Administrators user (sometimes by giving th
Re:Prevention (Score:2)
no it isn't (Score:2)
The Ultimate anti-virus for Windows: (Score:2)
Do all your web business with a live CD. You can physically REMOVE the hard drive to ensure that it won't get infected with anything (all you have to do is unplug the IDE cable). Stick anything you want to download/save on a USB drive - you can even format it in FAT/etc. to keep it in Window's file system. Done with the web and need the hard drive, disconnect the ethernet cable (or whatever you use), virus-scan the USB storage, reconnect the hard drive, boot back to Wi
Re:The Ultimate anti-virus for Windows: (Score:2)
"You can physically REMOVE the hard drive to ensure that it won't get infected with anything"
Further, why have your computer open to disconn
Re:The Ultimate anti-virus for Windows: (Score:2)
No, that's what the USB is for, temporary file storage. Write it all at once and store it there.
why bother having the windows partition at all?
Heh, heh, heh. Somebody else said it, not me.
I'm pretty certain that there's no adware/malware that gains root access and then mount partitions.
You're right, but what did we learn in class about "foolproof" security? Next thing you know, you'll have malware pop-up boxes: "We've detected that your computer's running: enter root pass
You're Asking this on Slashdot? (Score:4, Insightful)
OK now that we've got THAT out of our system...
Use Firefox, install the NoScript plugin, don't run stuff you download from every web site on the planet, and don't run Outlook. I'd suggest using a text-only email client if you can stand it. Oh yeah and don't run as the adminstrator and refuse to use any third party program that claims it needs administrator privs. Also keep your system up to date
If you're sufficiently paranoid, you should be able to keep even a Windows system reasonably secure.
Some tools to add to your belt (Score:4, Informative)
Install and run Adaware and Spybot S&D, making sure you update the programs and select to perform deep scans (within archives, etc) in the custom scan options. This will probably most of the easiest and most common exploits. Reboot.
Go through your Add/Remove programs menu and try removing any programs you can identify as spware. If the programs didn't come with an uninstaller, I would have to officially recommend you do not go through any of their steps to download one and run it. I have tried this in the past with mixed results. Some of these programs truly were just severely annoying adware that actually removed themselves at the end of this lengthy process, but some were truly malicious that simply installed MORE spyware after running the uninstaller. I recommend you don't risk this.
Open up the task manager and go through each and every process, reseaching in if need be [google.au]. I use groups.google.au to get the older version which seems to provide more relavent results. Kill any processes that you find are suspiscious. Hell, kill any processes you can't identify as normal Windows OS or application processes. I dealt with a instance of spyware once that executed two randomly named processes that protected the spyware from removal. If you killed one process, the other would immediately respawn it.
Go through all of your startup locations: C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp C:\WINDOWS\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur
Once again, go through each and every item and delete or disable everything that you can identify as malicious. It's likely that when searching you will run across others who have dealt with the same spyware issues in the past and have had to figure out how to remove them.
Run your Adaware and Spybot S&D scans again. Reboot. Test your machine to see if the spyware is still there. Still have problems?
Download and run Hijack This [spywareinfo.com] Pour through your log once more, or alternatively post it to one of the many forums [google.com.au] where professionals are willing to lend you a helping hand. At this point, you may also want to consider downloading and running Rootkit Revealer [sysinternals.com].
Also, try rebooting into safe mode and running your scans. Even though you are in safe mode, you should still monitor and kill processes that are suspicious. Remember, Sony's Rootkit came complete with a safe mode driver.
If all of this hasn't worked, then I suggest you back up your data, scan it for viruses, and do a low level format with a utility such as Killdisk [killdisk.com]. Now that you have to reinstall your OS, perhaps now is the prefect time to make the Linux switch [linuxiso.org].
live CD? (Score:2)
I know it's pretty straightforward to boot with a live CD and run something like ad-aware or spybot from it, but then you're scanning the registry that came off of the livecd, and not the infected one. I think there are tricks to
It's easy... (Score:5, Informative)
Ad-aware
McAfee
Registry Editor PE
Winsockfix
LSPfix
Hijackthis
Begin by going through each users directory in Documents and Settings. Delete the cookies directory, then every directory in the Local Settings except Application Data. Then go to the Windows directory and delete the contents of the following directories: Downloaded Program Files, Prefetch, and Temp. Then finish by going to the root dir and deleting the contents of System Volume Information, and Recycler folders. This will clear out the majority of the places malware hides and code that reactivates any remaining nasties on boot. Also pay very close attention to any DLL and EXE files in the Windows directory. With a few important exceptions, only malware places libraries and executables in the Windows directory. Generally, if you right click the file and choose Properties and it shows detailed copyright info for a legitimate company, the file is safe; if not, change the extension to BAK and remember to change them back if your software has problems.
Then start Regedit PE and load the remote registry files including all user hives. It will launch regedit after they are loaded. Remove all spyware keys in the Software subkeys, and then remove the autorun strings from Run, RunOnce, and RunOnceExec locations. Do NOT close regedit when you're done or it will save the changes. While regedit is still running, run a complete system scan with adaware. When adaware is done, close it then close regedit. Next run McAfee to get trojans and viruses. Before shutting down, it's a good idea to run chkdsk just for good measure.
On reboot, start in safe mode (no network support). Run LSPfix and remove any bad LSP entries (such as newdotnet); most known bad things are automatically put in the right window. If you are unsure about something google it. Be careful or you could destroy your network layer. Then run winsockfix to repair winsock. Then run hijackthis to remove all other unnecessary stuff, but pay attention to path names as to NOT remove good things like antivirus/spyware/firewall entries. Log out (not switch user) and run hijackthis in each users account.
Reboot in safe mode with networking, install, update, and run spybot and adaware. Update any installed antivirus software, and run a final scan. Reboot again, but in normal mode, and run scans again to verify you don't have any persistent malware. If the scans come up clean, your work is done; if not, remove them, reboot, scan again, and if they still come back, cut your losses and restore the machine.
PS: I do this several times a day and have seen about every type of malware out there. Believe it or not, MS antispyware will pick up stuff that adaware, spybot, and webroot leave behind. Even if you don't want to use it, you can't do wrong by installing, updating, scanning, then uninstalling when done. MooSoft's The Cleaner and Bazooka can also help you remove persistent trojans.
Good luck.
Re:It's easy... (Score:2)
Anyway, thanks for the HOWTO. It will help if I ever have to disinfect somebody's computer ever again...
yeah, that's easy (Score:2)
Here [mepis.org] is a l
Re:It's easy... (Score:2)
you may also like to know that those other programs also find stuff that MS antispyware leaves behind. it's a good assumption that each anti-spyware program finds something that the others do not with a lot of overl
Re:It's easy... (Score:2)
I do this several times a day and have seen about every type of malware out there.
Please, please tell me that this is on different systems. If you are doing this on one system, then you are either paranoid, extremely anal, or in desparate need of changing your online surfing habits!
Since your post is quite informative, I'll assume that you are in fact supporting a number of systems. :-)
A four-step process. (Score:3, Insightful)
I only know of one problem. You really have to learn by removing a bunch of this crap yourself - new junk hides itself in new ways.
My five-step process:
1) Reboot in safe mode
2) Delete anything in C:\WINDOWS and C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 (or whatever directories of choice) that has a hidden attribute and appeared since "problems began" (usually a month or so).
3)
Ewido Security Suite (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ewido Security Suite (Score:3, Informative)
I second the recommendation for Ewido for cleaning out nasty infections. The best part is that if your IE
Re:Ewido Security Suite (Score:2)
Another big fan of Ewido. I spend more time hunting spyware these days than anything else. An Ewido scan in "safe mode", followed by a final grovel with Hijack This will get virtually any system clean.
Spyware is practically a "Geek Full Employment Program", but I'd prefer to live in a world where this crap did not exist. It's worse than viruses, because spyware has a profit motive. I compare it to shoveling mud out of a pit in a rainstorm - you shovel it out, and it always winds up sliding back in.
Broadband Reports' Security Cleanup Forum (Score:2)
Streamlined reinstall (Score:2)
That is: Run Firefox, run Linux when you can, and don't be stupid. Download things that you're reasonably sure are good.
Second, make sure you can wipe the drive. If you can't wipe and reinstall from scratch, you're not backing up properly. I actually have a theory about this:
Make an nLite'd Windows install disk, which automates the Windows install.
Avoid customizing things too much, so that you can deal with the rest via next-next-next if you have to.
Re:Streamlined reinstall (Score:2)
"Known good" doesn't make any sense in a world where giant corporations like Sony are trying to install rootkits on your machine. One of the more persistant pieces of spyware I've run into in the past month was from the formerly respectable department store Nordstrom's!
"Spyware - it's not just for fake Viagra and porn anymore!"
Safe mode, search by date (Score:4, Informative)
You may need to disable system restore to remove some malware, or else Windows will automatically reinfect itself when it sees the files are missing. Reenable it before installing any new/updated drivers, as that seems to be when I need it most often.
Just in case, before you delete a bunch of stuff and reboot, check HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Userinit to ensure that it's not pointing to the malware, but to userinit.exe, wherever that is. Messing with userinit can render a system so that you can't log in, even in safe mode. XP SP2 might have fixed this, as I've seen some newer systems survive a broken userinit, or completely ignore it.
Also, empty out your host file (usually c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts on XP) to prevent browser hijacks.
If you suspect a rootkit, try a detector like rootkitrevealer. It won't remove it, but it might find it. Last resort: take your hard disk and slave it on another system, and remove the infected files.
Stinger is a good standalone virus scanner, and a small download
For future reference: Stop using IE and Outlook Express. Stop downloading free screensavers and other freebies, unless you get them directly from the author's website, and you trust them completely. I've seen places take my own shareware screensavers, bundle them with spyware, and redistribute them without permission or any regard for legality or morality.
Autoruns and process explorer from Sysinternals (Score:5, Informative)
His site is http://www.sysinternals.com [sysinternals.com] and autoruns can be downloaded from here [sysinternals.com].
Autoruns shows EVERYTHING that is started on your pc at boot & logon etc, including device drivers, services... everything. It can even filter out binaries not signed by microsoft, to make third party stuff stand out like dogs balls.
Use process explorer to find and kill the spyware processes - you may have to google processes to identify them, but that function is built in. Here is a tip - look for anything that doesn't have a company name of "microsoft"
Some really stubborn spyware has more than one process running, watching each other and restarting each other if you kill them. Use PSKill (command-line process killer) to kill multiple processes at once, so they can't restart.
Once you have cleaned out the running junk, use autoruns to identify where it started from and kill it.
Its never failed for me, and you learn a whole lot about the internals of windows in the process.
Glib answer... (Score:3, Insightful)
A particularly stubborn piece of malware was the reason I finally took the plunge and switched to Linux (Mandriva) at home. Plus, as a bonus, suddenly my computer was interesting again.
Spys spyware (Score:2)
just my way... (Score:2, Informative)
But not everyone can or wants to go trough the trouble of formatting so what can we do next?
My standard way to get spyware of a box:
run crapcleaner this will remove a lot of
Hitman Pro (Score:2, Interesting)
Simple steps (Score:2)
1. Know your enemy. If you can identify what it is, then you can handle it.
2. Google for it. You aren't likely to be the first to have a problem.
3. Use a tool. Common spyware tend to have specialised uninstallers/removers available.
4. Use manual removal instructions, if al
My Solution... (Score:2)
Hrmm... (Score:2)
What program combinations, or websites do you use to uproot that last bit of unwanted software intrusion?"
http://www.ubuntu.org [ubuntu.org]
'Nuff said.
Odd that this thread (Score:2)
I had ran Adaware, Spy Sweeper, Spybot S&D, AVG Free, Kasperky, Killbox, and HIJack This, still none fully cleaned it, it got rid of all the other junk and I had blocked my computers IP to keep it isolated on my network so newer adware wouldn't get installed.
I still had an odd entry in Add/Remove programs ( Network Monitor ) I had
My experience (Score:2)
SpywareBlaster (Score:2)
Here's what I preach (Score:2)
2. Use a service like meebo.com or aimexpress.com if you really feel you must IM someone. Uninstall local IM shit. I tell people to remove P2P software as well, because most people are idiots who can't tell the difference between "Britney Spears Naked.AVI" and "Britney Spears Naked.AVI.vbs", and why downloading either would be a bad idea.
3. Use the Windows XP SP2 firewall (many of my
Other Misc. Programs (Score:2)
Security Task Manager [neuber.com] (shareware) rates each process in how likely it is to be malicious and gives you the option of killing or quarantining (or uninstalling the corresponding program if appropriate). I've had good success with eliminating nasties that were sucking so much CPU that Ad-Aware and Spybot couldn't finish scanning.
BartPE [nu2.nu] is a great live CD, especially with the RunScanner plugin that
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Realistically Impossible (Score:2)
Re:I don't...because you can't (Score:3, Interesting)
Make your OS install along with your "always on" programs. Patch it all up and make an image of the drive. Burn the image to DVD and next time you need to re-install just boot from the DVD and you're back up in under half an hour. (that's what I do)
-nB
Mod it up . . . it hurts, but its true (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: Mod it up . . . it hurts, but its true (Score:2)
Yes, it's called "letting your little head do the thinking".
Firefox? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ha Ha, only serious (Score:2)
Re:Ha Ha, only serious (Score:2)
This Java exploit?
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/1 1/24/1323228&tid=172&tid=108&tid=218 [slashdot.org]
Was he running as root? If so, stupid him.
If not, the exploit would last only as long as his login session and should be easily findable the next time you log in.
Re:Just for the sake of mentioning it (Score:2)
Re:Just for the sake of mentioning it (Score:2)
Haydn.
Re:Just for the sake of mentioning it (Score:2)
They DO make it available free.
Why? They understand what you have said, THEY REALLY SHOULD HAVE FIXED THIS IN WINDOWS.
They just aren't able to do this without your consent (download install).
Many corporate clients DO run locked-down, tested, standard images and may not be able to use this, therefore it cannot be included as a default option in the next SP.
At least that's my understanding of it..
With some luck, they will AT THE VERY LEAST deal with these KNOWN issues i
Re:Just for the sake of mentioning it (Score:2)