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Ask Slashdot: Pros and Cons of Homeschooling? 700

VorpalRodent writes: I went to a private school for about 6 years, then completed my education at the local public school, going on to get a couple undergraduate degrees and a postgraduate degree. My wife dropped out of high school and got her equivalency many years later. Now, she wants to homeschool our son.

There is a significant body of literature which indicates that homeschoolers outperform their traditionally schooled counterparts academically, regardless of the level of education of the parent, and she certainly cares more now that she's older. I don't like anecdotes, but I certainly haven't seen the research borne out in any of the people that I know who were homeschooled. More importantly, it seems like the only reason my wife wants to homeschool is because she doesn't want to let go.

Our son would be going into Kindergarten this coming year. I'm interested in some rational discussion on this, since it seems like the only viewpoints I've ever seen on the matter are "Better academics" vs. "Social interaction," both of which are gross oversimplifications. It doesn't help that I can't find any statistical information on post-schooling outcomes.
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  • by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:09PM (#48976015) Journal
    I would heartily recommend you consider the action/adventure education that is the public school system.

    Coddling, though still an individual option, is generally better for the parents than the children.

    • by Harlequin80 ( 1671040 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:33PM (#48976203)

      I had an awful time at school and am terrified about what my kids school life may be like. But that said this year my eldest goes off to pre-school.

      Home schooling sits outside of the norm, so our attitude was that we would keep it as an option for use IF our child struggled or had an experience similar to mine. To homeschool you have to be prepared to take on a burden that is significant. Educating someone is hard and you need to be across a wide selection of material, much of which you haven't touched on or used since you finished school.

      Our personal choice was that we would try the school system first. If that didn't work, and if homeschooling addressed some of the reasons why, we would look at it then.

      • by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:54PM (#48976345) Journal
        I placed my two little snowflakes in private school for a couple years because of a separation with the other parent: generous pickup times and some after school on-premises child care were the bennies.

        I made management after a couple of years and was afforded more schedule-leeway... bam, right into the public system they went.

        Remember, the most difficult thing in the World to do is be hard on your own kids. It's easy with other peoples kids, the little rat bastards, but do your own kids a favor. A bit of strife is quite the character builder.

        • What is more important ... schooling, or learning?

          Not all the learning happen within the context of a 'school', no matter if it is home school, private school or public school. In fact, most of the learning average kids had/have were/are from OUTSIDE of the schools

          Nowadays parents seem to forget that. They seem to think that once they throw their children into a school, it's the responsibility of the teachers in the school to teach their kids

          NO !!

          I have met people from public school backgrounds who are, whi

        • (I can only offer anecdotal commentary.)

          It really depends on the child. I was starting to read and do addition/subtraction at age 3. I wasn't pushed, but as my parents realized my potential, they supported and encouraged me. That support evolved into home schooling.

          I did go to public preschool and kindergarten (half day sessions, home schooled the other half). There, the teachers accepted my ability and appreciated my willingness to read stories to and help the other kids.

          After that, even though the school's officials acknowledged I was performing at a 3rd grade level, they insisted that I had to be placed according to my age. Being 6, that meant 1st grade. The teacher quickly determined that I always had all the correct answers, so stopped calling on me - not even calling me last, after the other kids gave up. And while I was allowed to participate in group "reading aloud", he was irritated by the fact that I had finished reading whatever story before the other kids were even ready to start the reading session. Also, I was not allowed to help my classmates. While he could not mark down my workbook, quiz and homework scores, he did give me zeros for class participation and "citizenship". When my parents complained, the teacher demanded the school officials assign me to a different teacher. After a week of only slightly better treatment by the other teacher, my parents decided to pull me out and resume home schooling me.

          3 years later, a new private school opened. My parents arranged an interview for me. Near the end of the interview, the teacher looked at the public school records and commented "I'm sorry about what the public school did to you. But don't worry, you're the kind of overachieving trouble-maker we want," making my parents laugh. She excused herself, then returned a few minutes later, telling my parents that no further review was necessary and I would be accepted on full scholarship.

          I think I got the best of both worlds. Home schooling provided the academic challenge I needed (and wanted). Preschool, kindergarten, Cub Scouts and other activites provided the social development opportunities. Then the private school continued both.

          While a bit of strife may help build character, being held back academically is a lot more than a bit of strife. Being home schooled was not easy. My parents gave me lots of challenges, allowed me to meet those challenges, then setting new ones.

          Do your kids a favor. Help them set achievable goals. Provide guidance (not easy answers). And don't be afraid to say "I don't know. Let's learn together."

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:43PM (#48976283)

      We home-schooled our children. One already has her baccalaureate degree and will soon pursue her masters; while her sister, is married with three kids, pursuing her baccalaureate transitioning to her dream, a Nursing degree. My youngest is a aspiring professional artist...and my eldest is professional programmer. Their academic success is due to my wife's dedication and the curriculum that best fit the children. I agree with other poster--meet the state requirements and socialization is important --so join home-school groups where interactive activities are rife and joint teaching efforts are used. So much to learn--but you control what is taught, respond to learning situations, and limit exposure of 'questionable' teachings (which are dependent upon the parents). We are proud of our children and their quality of education is on par or exceeds public education (dependent upon the child native tastes for subjects). It's worth the effort...in my opinion.

      • by lucm ( 889690 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @01:30AM (#48976879)

        We home-schooled our children. One already has her baccalaureate degree and will soon pursue her masters; while her sister, is married with three kids, pursuing her baccalaureate transitioning to her dream, a Nursing degree.

        I don't want to brag, but if I was to home-school my kid I would not give him a mere masters, I'd give him a kick-ass diploma, like a PhD in Awesomeness. And I'd take it away if he doesn't eat his vegetables.

      • by horm ( 2802801 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @01:53AM (#48977019)
        So what you're saying is for all that extra work, you got average results.
        • by luis_a_espinal ( 1810296 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @06:13AM (#48977913)

          So what you're saying is for all that extra work, you got average results.

          If by average you mean good results, I guess that would be a yes. I mean seriously, in what world of stupidity and cynicism did getting kids through post-graduate education became "average results"?

          I'm not a fan of home-schooling in general because, at least in this country, it is generally perceived by the public as a means for Luddites to keep their kids off the sinful, Godless grid.

          But here, this is obviously not the case. And for you to simply dismiss the results of their efforts as "average results" (when in this country "average results" means graduating from HS without knowing the difference between "your" and "you're"), that is just imbecile.

          Whether you are just being cynically stupid or just deliberately obtuse, only you know.

          • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @11:26AM (#48979665)

            While I don't want to be as dismissive of this parent's accomplishments as horm was, you would need to know a bit more about the AC before determining if his/her results are common. While only about a third of individuals (34%) of people 25-29 have bachelors degrees, children in the top quartile of income ( > $80k family income) have a 77% chance of getting a bachelors.

            So average results for a two child family with a decent income and at least one parent willing and capable of homeschooling is probably going to be one Masters degree and one Bachelors degree by the time they are 30.

            Even with a lower income, having parents who care enough about their children's education to even contemplate home schooling probably have a far better than 34% of having their children graduate college. Regardless of if they choose to home school or not.

        • by jbengt ( 874751 )
          About 35% of people 25 to 29 have bachelors degrees. So did your pubic school fail to teach you what an average is?
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        • Actually home schooling can be popular both on the right and in the left. The right so they can be taught to whatever the parents think are Biblical principles, and the left in order to "protect" the child's self esteem, improve on the quality, or some other justification of that sort. It might also be important to remember that the quality of public education in the US since the 1960s or so has not fared so well, many baby boomers have realized public education today isn't as good as it was when they wen
    • by Sad Loser ( 625938 ) * on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:59PM (#48976383)

      Who would you be doing this for? The child or the parent?

      As a parent I taught my kids to read before they went to school, and their times tables before they were 8. I think this was helpful but I will never know.

      Some of my neices and nephews have been home schooled out of necessity - living in isolated African areas who have gone to normal school age 13. They have integrated well mostly and one of them was Head Boy at his school.
      What their parents did say is that a lot of the home schooling material is produced for children who are being home schooled to ensure that they don't learn some things. Evolution and certain facts of life mainly. Suspect it might be a bit light be a bit light on Climate Change as well!

      My vote is to send to normal school and supplement with targeted extra help and trips to stimulating places. My kids now think it was really cool I took them to Bletchley Park before it was full of Benedict Cumberbatch etc !

      One point I would make is that because of the internet, kids now learn at least as much from each other as they do from adults. They no longer get one single version of the truth, and the sooner they learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, the better.

      I would have to ask - Is there another (?work-related) reason that your partner wants to do this?

    • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:00AM (#48976391) Journal
      I would heartily recommend investigating the choices for charter and non-traditional schools.

      We live in the attendance area for some of the best schools in California, yet educated our kids in a hybrid manner. Our kids "attended" a charter school that supported homeschooling. They had monthly meetings with their teacher and some specialized classes. When they were older, they could take classes at the local community college and get high school credit for this. Utlizing the local networks of homeschoolers, my kids got plenty of social interaction with other kids.

      They all succeeded academically, going on to graduate from excellent universities.
      • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:44AM (#48976645) Journal

        This is an important point. It isn't a binary choice between the typical public school (government school) or homeschooling by yourself. There are charter schools, there are schools that run half days and you homeschooled the other half. There are schools that meet one day per week. There are schools where you select which classes to send them to school for and which to do at home.

        I was surprised to learn that in my town of about 90,000 households, 1,000 of those homeschooled their kids. That's 1,000 partners to work with. Families share curriculums, there are homeschool sports teams who play against the government schools, and parents teach small classes of three or four other students. So maybe we'll have three or four kids from other families come over for math class, or business or computers, while our daughter goes to music class taught by a friend who is a career musician.

        Figure 1,000 families is about 1,800 parents. There are probably some parents who are chemists, some professional musician somebody runs an art studio, etc. So I don't have to teach my daughter art - she can do that at her friend's mother's art studio, then I teach her and her friend computer and technology stuff.

        Anyway, there are a LOT of different options. In my area there are "crunchy" homeschool groups, specifically non-crunchy groups ... many choices.

    • by clorkster ( 1996844 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:03AM (#48976413)
      The certification argument is almost entirely a red herring for two major reasons. First, if you ask most teachers with certifications, you'll find that a massive portion of their education was based on classroom administration and not effectively communicating specific subject matter. Secondly, most home school curriculum are not based on in seat teacher to student instruction (though there are a plethora of online options if you choose that style). They are generally based on classical education which relies heavily on teaching children a love for reading with a heavy emphasis on classics and an ability to go seek and find answers for one's self.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:21AM (#48976511)

        All I had to do was do time student teaching, get the requisite C's in teacher school, and pass multiple guess tests. Nothing actually evaluated my ability to teach. Fortunately for the students, I cared, and still care, so I study pedagogy, but it's not, shall we say, common or encouraged.

    • Education isn't just about what is in the class curricula, it is also about learning social skills, and just learning to deal with life. This is particularly true for a smart kid. I was an above average performer in school academically, but I had a tough time with social skills, and with learning to respect people I perceived to be my intellectual inferiors. Public school helped me with that a lot. I was exposed to people from all walks of life and learned that even if you are the Smartest Motherfucker in t

    • Somehow homeschooled kids score across the board higher than public education. [washingtontimes.com]
      Five areas of academic pursuit were measured. In reading, the average home-schooler scored at the 89th percentile; language, 84th percentile; math, 84th percentile; science, 86th percentile; and social studies, 84th percentile. In the core studies (reading, language and math), the average home-schooler scored at the 88th percentile.

      Foot, meet mouth.

    • Idle thoughts... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Evtim ( 1022085 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @03:47AM (#48977449)

      Disclaimer: I am a certified [MSc] teacher in chemistry and physics. Worked the job only a year [went to do PhD and then do R&D in semiconductors] but all my life I have being interested in education and never stopped thinking and learning about it. Sorry for the gigantic post; there is so much to say about this...besides according to Terry Pratchett teachers can only converse in the form of short lectures:))

      The major problem of standardized school system is the lack of flexibility and inability to provide different approaches to different types of students. I am not saying anything new here -- the class moves through the curriculum with the speed of the average student, not the best, of course. This is the classical case [to use popular culture reference] of "who and how is going to teach Ender"? On the other hand, the "slow students" are often slower than they can be again because of lack of flexibility in approach.

      The major problem of home schooling is politics --> that the majority of people seem to want it not in order to educate their kids better but the opposite, to save them from "evil" knowledge and from hearing different points of view. This home schooling fad perpetuates the whole developed world ATM and the idea comes usually. from the religious circle of the parents. Please, understand me right, I don't want to start a war on this issue but it is true. In mitigation I can say that many other ideologies [politics, business, culture in general] also try constantly to meddle in schools and teach [or not] the students about certain things.

      Two issues then -- one, now to make the system more efficient in pure education terms, without considering social and cultural issues. Two [this is the biggie] --> how to deal with the inevitable clash between the culture and knowledge in the family and the culture and knowledge of the world [school].

      It is a FACT that what happens at school has major influence on the development of the young mind. It is a FACT that bad teacher can do huge harm and good teacher can do huge good. It is a fact that most families internal culture is narrow-minded compared to what the school teaches. And you cannot possibly separate culture form education. Example --> if you study logic, one of the best text books starts with debunking the whole idea of advertisement and shows you clearly how you are manipulated by it. But that message is universally despised by our culture [for it has been perverted to such degree that any objection against money grabs and inhuman economic structures is labeled as "freedom-hating"] and trust me, some enraged group of parents will protest [especially if daddy is making his bucks in advertisement:)]. During my short tenure I saw many such clashes. Parents asked me "why are you teaching them this, you are just physics teacher, what can you possibly teach them about everyday life". "Everything", was my usual answer and I tried to explain that the scientific approach is a system of thought that is universal and can be applied to any problem. As my physics teacher in high school said "you might be selling groceries all your life but if you understand a bit of physics and scientific approach you will out compete the other grocery shop". Very few parents understood...

      Thoughts on issue one:

      - make the cooperation between parents school and society more efficient and [wishful thinking] as free of politics as possible.
      - Create "clubs of interests" [we used to have those very good under the communist system] where fast kids can learn more. Make those good and affordable.
      - here is an idea --> teach skills. Go with the kids to where their parents work. If some kids show interest in advance machining [dad has golden hands and builds interesting stuff] let those kids have internships in that company or similar. Find what the kid really likes and then provide endless torrent of knowledge and practical work in that field. When motivated by curiously and satisfaction we humans excel and do not need a stick to make us

      • Thank you for the insightful post. My son is 2.5 and I've been concerned about how to handle his education.

        Really, I need to do more research on my local school system and what out what they're doing and how. I did not have an awful time of schooling. Besides the extreme social awkwardness that comes with being the kind of person who grows up to read slashdot. But to be honest the forced interaction with other kids is what taught me how to relate to other people and not be weird. The regular classes were sa

    • From my experience, it isn't Home Schooling vs. Private School vs. Public School. But the level of parental involvement.

      Many kids in Public Schools, the parents dump them off to them, as a free day care. Then when they get home, they may just say do your homework, before you can have free time. While not in the realm of abuse or neglect. It puts the child in a disadvantage, as they are not being reinforced with the value of the education.
      Private schools (Because the parents are paying out of the pocket)

  • by Wolfling1 ( 1808594 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:18PM (#48976071) Journal
    I have two step-children who fled their abusive father to come and live with me. Both of them were home-schooled for a time (about 12 months each). We learned a lot of powerful lessons from the first one, but even then, we faced huge challenges with the second one.
    Some significant points:
    1. Mum and/or Dad are not teachers. We're not qualified to be, and re-assurances from the homeschooling organisation are vacuous. Don't kid yourself about this. Being a teacher is a career choice, and there are very specific skillsets involved.
    2. Mum and/or Dad don't want a teacher-student relationship with their child. You can't just throw a switch at 3pm and turn back into a parent. The child is not old/mature enough to process that changeover.
    3. The child will lose out on a huge amount of 'non-curriculum learning'. Things like 'how to avoid the schoolyard bully', 'how to read a schedule and navigate to classrooms', 'how to meet project deadlines without parental intervention', 'how to negotiate the fickle friendships that happen in life', 'observe adult role models outside the family'. There are dozens of things like this.
    4. There is research to support the position that children perform better when parents are 'hands off'. I can't remember the link, but one interesting one was posted to /. in the last 6 months.
    5. Some children need real parental nurturing to get over a major life crisis. Most children do not. If your child needs that kind of care, be very careful of breaking your relationship with them by spending 6 hours every day with them.
    In both cases, after 12 months, the children returned to regular schooling to a) escape mum and/or dad; and b) get a life/friends. The second one needed a little more encouragement than the first.
    Good luck with it! Its been a hard road, and its only two-three years after they returned to regular school that their behaviours are starting to normalise.
    • by Cafe Alpha ( 891670 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:39PM (#48976241) Journal

      The child will lose out on a huge amount of 'non-curriculum learning'. Things like 'how to avoid the schoolyard bully', 'how to read a schedule and navigate to classrooms', 'how to meet project deadlines without parental intervention', 'how to negotiate the fickle friendships that happen in life', 'observe adult role models outside the family'. There are dozens of things like this.

      "Avoid the schoolyard bully," I never learned this, all I did was suffer. Come on, school being a totally miserable experience is normal for a huge number of kids.

      "how to meet project deadlines" - never learned this either. As a programmer I'm still terrible at it.

      "how to negotiate the fickle friendships that happen in life" - uhm that will happen if they're homeschooled too unless homeschooling means "no friends." By the way the answer to this is "suffer". You're welcome.

      "Observe adult role models outside the family." That I got to do, and lost all respect for authority. Of course reading history books contributed. Hint, if you want a well adjusted kid don't have him do a report on the Holocaust after reading two or three histories on it and meeting a survivor like I did at age 8.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        Sometimes if I wonder whether I'm the only person who's ever had a reasonably happy and untraumatic childhood. Overall school could have been a better experience for me, but it was OK. I genuinely liked some of it, and the boring parts compensated by being easy. I wasn't popular, but I had plenty of friends.

        Maybe being in a big city made a difference. There were enough of us odd ducks around to make a flock.

    • by LF11 ( 18760 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:40PM (#48976251) Homepage
      1) Mum and dad don't have to be teachers. 1-on-1 instruction is so much superior to classroom education that there is really no comparison.

      2) Trying to emulate a school environment at home is a recipe for disaster. That's not how it works, and that's not how it should work.

      3) All of those are quickly learned upon entrance to college, or during the large quantities of socialization that homeschooled families tend to be very careful to procure for their children. Homeschoolers actually tend to be considerably better socialized than their public school peers. However, dropping a homeschooled child into the wolfpack of public school is a recipe for disaster.

      4) Exactly right. Thus, unschooling. http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Unschooling-The-Case-for-Setting-Your-Kids-Into-the-Wild.html It works very well, if the parents can get their head around that kind of freedom.

      5) I don't know what your experience was but forced separation from parents is traumatic. Of course, once children hit puberty, they tend to break free on their own, thus handling the overly-attached problem.

      Sorry your experience was bad. Most are not like that.
    • Mum and/or Dad are not teachers. We're not qualified to be, and re-assurances from the homeschooling organisation are vacuous. Don't kid yourself about this. Being a teacher is a career choice, and there are very specific skillsets involved.

      You're gonna have a hard time explaining why homeschooled kids score ~90th percentile across the board on standardized tests vs 50th for public schools [washingtontimes.com]. Or why they have a 0.25 GPA higher than public, private, or catholic after 4 years of college, and the highest graduation rates [ed.gov] (page 23).

      In fact I have yet to see any study that contradicts the well known heirarchy, public used for cost per pupil (4/5th of the way down).

      Incidentally, I didnt attempt to bias-check the numbers too heavily, because two of th

  • by Anonymous Coward

    There's a huge number of environment and personal factors that go into determining how successful homeschooling will be. The biggest two are the motivation and commitment of the parents and children, and available resources. In a lot of ways, homeschooling will have the same potential pitfalls as being self-employed while working from home do. Lots of potential distractions, with the natural human tendency to put things off for another day (and another, and another). Being self-motivated helps control t

  • by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbara.jane.hudson@nospAM.icloud.com> on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:23PM (#48976103) Journal
    Before over-reacting, you should find out what the requirements are for home schooling in your area. What tests have to be done to make sure the kids aren't falling behind, if she can teach the mandatory curriculum effectively, reporting requirements, etc.

    Also, she should see if she can handle the teaching alongside the caregiving. Have her teach them a specific number of hours a day to get a taste of what it's really like. Some people just can't teach, others lose patience when it doesn't go as they thought it would, and when home-schooling, you don't get to say "school's out - I'm going home, having a few drinks, and not thinking about this until Monday."

  • Every Montessori school/group of schools seem different but I've seen many good ones in different countries/states. There are both private and in some cases integrated into the public system Montessori schools. I'm sure quality and, even if they are following state/provincial education guidelines, flakiness, but with a little research you can find a school at a reasonable price that will treat your child as an individual, yet help them grow socially too.
  • Good Lord... (Score:2, Insightful)

    You would actually ask advice involving your offspring's future on Slashdot?
  • Dick (Score:2, Informative)

    by Ydna ( 32354 ) *

    You are acting like a controlling dickhead. Don't be a dick!

  • by hodet ( 620484 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:31PM (#48976175)

    At kindergarten level it's not all about abc's. The social aspect of functioning in a larger group of your peers is also important. Does your son have a lot of kids in his life (siblings, friends, cousins etc etc)> Is he naturally extroverted or does he have a more introverted personality.

    I also have a son of that age, only child. We have him in public school and have found that the academics at that age are secondary to the social aspect of school. Only you know what is right, and i am no expert. You should trust your parental instincts above all. Just consider that home schooling can be more isolating depending on your own family environment and social circle. Even if you try something and feel it is not working, no matter what you choose, do not doggedly persist to the bitter end. Monitor and stay flexible. Good luck!

  • Slashdot is a rough place to post this. Check out reddit.com/r/homeschooling for a more knowledgeable community, but there are a TON of resources to help you figure this out if it is something you are interested in.

    I don't know of anyone doing statistical work on homeschoolers. It would be helpful, but the fact is that homeschoolers tend to integrate very well in society. It's not as if there is a magical 3 percent that stand out all the time for you to notice.

    I only know of anecdotal material. I am on
  • Both my wife and I were homeschooled, and we both firmly believe it was one of the best things our parents did for us. You can make it work, but make sure your children continue to socialize (e.g. sports and music did it for us). Do it wrong, and you can screw your kids up. That said, public school gone wrong screws kids up, too. But do it right, and your kids can really flourish in an environment that caters completely to their learning style.

    You also need to analyze your reasons. Homeschooling isn't ea
  • by nedlohs ( 1335013 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:37PM (#48976227)

    A high school drop out who wants to keep your kid out of school since she can do better than those idiotic professional teachers.

    Oh well, hopefully she's hot.

  • FWIW (Score:4, Insightful)

    by bhcompy ( 1877290 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:37PM (#48976229)
    For what it's worth, my marriage was the same situation as yours(and my now ex-wife was just like yours). Not seeing eye to eye on simple things like this caused too many fights. I want my child to have up to date vaccines and be in public school, and I need my wife to have a decent job because of her lifestyle demands, etc.

    After a long debate, we made the choice to move into a good school district and send our kid to school. This was a long fight, as she had family in rural Oregon who homeschool all of their kids, and based on the stories of the kids(dumb as bricks, pregnant by 16, etc), I did not want to send my kid down the same road. She also had separation anxiety(it was bad enough that she did not spend a day apart from him until he was 10[sleepovers] or travel without him until he was 13).

    I went to private school for elementary and public school for the rest, and I was very satisfied with my experience, and I've made friends I otherwise would not have made. My time in private school prepared me academically and I was able to do extremely well in public school(entered a year ahead in some subjects), which was beneficial because doing well in public school in California gets you a great deal in state aid to state schools as well as guaranteed enrollment in state schools.

    I don't think there is a replacement for the social education school brings(and public school was much more educational in that regard than private school), but I don't think that that is the only reason why. I also think that school provides the opportunities to advance just as much as if you were a real teacher homeschooling your kids.
  • I'll tell you this, it's way more difficult and far more expensive/time consuming than you might imagine. You should also be very clear about your reasons for doing this, keeping the kid at home is not one of those reasons. I know several homeschooled kids like that and they're a bit stunted, you have to make sure to get out and be active a lot more as well. Look around in your area for enrichment programs, for instance our kids go to public school 1 day per week. It's fantastic, and they make a lot of friends plus get that more structured school environment. Make sure that you're doing this for the right reasons. Finally, it takes an unbelievable amount of discipline from you both as parents. My wife and I are up late hours every week making sure that we have lessons ready, making tests, basically doing the things normal teachers do. If you're still reading and serious about this, it's also very rewarding. Seriously, if you do this right your kid will be light years ahead. You do it wrong and you'll really fuck up your kid's future.
  • If public was the only option I had, I would seriously consider homeschooling and working with other homeschoolers in the community for social interaction. (Our state has some of the worst public schools in the US.) I know several parents who homeschool and their kids are doing excellent. Luckily we have a couple of good private schools in the area, and even more luckily, I can actually afford to send my kid there, so that's where she goes -- and does very well. Kids are surprisingly good at adapting to

  • by jd2112 ( 1535857 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:43PM (#48976275)
    for those idiot parents who insist on not vaccinating their children.
    Putting your own kids at risk is bad enough. Putting others at risk is criminal.
  • Homeschooling is a huge success in Africa, the Middle East and the tribes in the Rain Forest!

    On a more serious note, if you are in an excellent public school district the quantity and quality and breadth of the subjects they teach kids is astounding.

    You cannot keep up doing homeschooling.

    If you are not in a great public school district, move to one and commute (your kids come first) or do a private school.
    • That is nonsense.

      With homeschooling kids learn twice as much in half the time, yes, thats a factor of four.

      Of course that implies the teacher/teaching parent knows what he is doing.

      Bringing in your racist ideas about other regions on earth disqualifies you anyway beyond believe.

  • We homeschool (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Space ( 13455 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:48PM (#48976315) Homepage

    My wife has worked as a teacher and has a related degree. Out oldest daughter went to a private preschool when she was three and quickly became bored with what they were teaching. We learned that the same curriculum would be covered in their four year old class so we decided to start homeschooling at that point. She is currently seven years old and is working on curriculum that is beyond what her nine year old friends are working on in public school. She has more friends than I did when I was her age and they are of a wider age range. She has played soccer, takes dance classes, attends church, and and we meet monthly with a homeschool meetup group.

    We also have a four year old daughter who is working on similar curriculum to six year olds in public school.

    We homeschool primarily for academc reasons as we have seen the horror that is "common core" and the waste of time that is "no child left behind". We have taught Astronomy, Robotics, Weather, and Bird Studies so far so we aren't just teaching the basics.

    We live in Texas which has some of the most homeschool friendly laws on the books. Homeschooling falls under the same statutes as Private Schools. There is no attendance reporting, no mandatory testing, no approved curriculums.
    The requirements for homeschooling in Texas are as follows:
            The instruction must be bona fide (i.e., not a sham).
            The curriculum must be in visual form (e.g., books, workbooks, video monitor).
            The curriculum must include the five basic subjects of reading, spelling, grammar, mathematics, and good citizenship.

    The State of Texas assumes that if you care enough about your kids to want to teach them yourself that the state will just get out of the way. The Texas Homeschool Coalition holds conventions every year were we take seminars and shop for curriculum.

  • Almost all of the solid research I have seen on what factors actually account for future earnings, success in school, etc. tend to support the idea that the details of what you do for the kids are not really that important, but the broad brushstrokes of how your family and you kids' peer's families view schooling, working to achieve goals, and the importance of critical thinking seem to be more important that what school or educational method is experienced.

    The fact that you and your spouse are trying to fi

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:02AM (#48976409) Journal

    First, some background. We have 4 kids, in their late teens and early 20s.
    A full gamut of personalities - from the artsy kid, to the social diva, to the mathy/introvert, to the football stud. Gross oversimplifications, to be sure, but they hit the archetypes.

    Our decision was ultimately *against* homeschooling. Does that mean we were universally happy with our choice to public school our kids? Not entirely. If we knew then what we know now, we'd have looked harder for some sort of private school or charter school that we could have afforded. Our local public schools were terrific in elementary years, mediocre as junior high schools, and pretty nearly horrible as high schools. The high school experience was nearly wasted, with bored unengaged teachers, listless classes, challenges that petered out by 11th grade, and an administration that seemed capable of only making the worst possible choices whenever presented. We should have pulled our kids in junior high and sent them *anywhere* else. Oh, they still did/are doing fine academically - ACTs all 30+ - but this was despite the horrible high school system, not because of it.

    The reasons we chose against homeschooling, in no particular order:
    - simple expertise: while a reasonably educated parent (we both have Bachelors' degrees) can certainly teach pretty much every elementary and general junior-high subject simply by 'staying ahead of the kid' in the materials, but by high school and certainly in terms of anything advanced placement, nobody's well-rounded enough to be a teacher of everything.
    - don't just like what I do: the fact is that if our children developed special interests or things that they loved that we didn't anticipate, there's little we could offer them. We in no way wanted to constrain their interests to our own, which would be natural given our own enthusiasms.
    - the "social" thing: humans are social animals. We all exist in a hodgepodge of organizations (formal and informal), status structures, power relationships (formal and informal), with countless others ranging from direct family, relatives, friends, acquaintances, and strangers. *Fundamental* to the emotional and social development of a child is being involved in those evolving relationships *particularly* at certain stages of maturity with others going through the same learning curve. Generally, this is going to continue through our whole lives - at school, at work, in relationships, clubs, volunteer organizations, churches, etc. Simply put, we felt this was very much a 'time served' sort of thing; an hour playdate once weekly (or whatever) wasn't going to give our kids the sort if intrinsic, long-term give and take that primate children and adolescents need to learn those structures and how to navigate them. To best learn the gamut of situations that they would have to deal with would involve not just social experience, but social immersion. And let's be absolutely candid: the teen years for both boys and girls are awash with hormones and their follow-on effects. Learning to come to terms with this (& themselves) in-context is not something you as a parent can deliver by lecture.
    - 'bye mom & dad! - following-on to the reason above, the primary thing a kid needs to learn as they mature? Doing without you. Really, how can you teach that?
    - sports: if you're in the US, youth sports at a certain level are pretty much only through schools. I think sports are important to the development of a child, learning about competition, to win, lose, deal with others, trust others, as well as important values about diet, physical fitness, and the pure joy of physical activity when you are at the most perfect physical condition you'll ever be in your life. That choice isn't much available to homeschool kids, or if it is it's in a sort of stilted "we'll let them be on the team" sort of way.
    - want to give your kid more intensive, in-depth learning better than what schools offer? Nothing's stopping you. School is really only a teeny

  • ... school teachers have to say about schooling vs education in the USA.

    http://www.johntaylorgatto.com... [johntaylorgatto.com]

    http://www.naturalchild.org/gu... [naturalchild.org]

    http://www.holtgws.com/whatisu... [holtgws.com]

  • He was in public school through second grade. Kindergarten and 1st grade were great. He had awesome teachers. In the 2nd grade he ended up with a teacher in poor health that probably should have retired 5 years prior. It was not a great year and my wife had always wanted to try to homeschool but I was skeptical. So in 3rd grade he stayed at home.

    Overall it went pretty well. There are tons of resources available to help however you must pay attention. My wife wanted to send our son to this 2 hour "science
  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:15AM (#48976481) Journal

    Definitely do your research before making a decision on this one. We considered it, briefly, with our daughter -- but ultimately decided it was just too much to tackle.
    One thing I didn't even really consider, initially, is that "homeschooling" doesn't even necessarily have to mean you're keeping your kid at home all day, acting as their full-time teacher.

    In at least some areas where there's an active homeschooling community, it's possible to work out arrangements with other people so you teach a subject or two that's your own area of expertise, and then you let your kid learn from other homeschooling parents who are teaching other subjects they're best at teaching. There are lots of possibilities here, up to and including parents who are willing to teach your kid most of the school day in exchange for you bartering for something they need like transportation and fixing meals for them.

    At some point, I think this starts to blur the lines enough to where you start asking how much different it *really* is than just putting them in the public school you're already paid for via your taxes anyway? But there are a lot of ways to do homeschooling when you work with others in the community doing the same thing.

    I've heard multiple parents who did home school comment that they felt it was easiest and most effective for younger kids though. By the time their kid(s) got to grade 6-9, they often put them back in a standard school. (Probably makes sense as middle school is when kids really begin valuing things other than just the learning process itself. Peer relationships start becoming important, and I think for many kids - it's actually the peer pressure to look intelligent or to "keep up" with one's classmates that provides motivation for them to keep working. With home schooling, part of that is lost or weakened.)

  • by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:16AM (#48976487) Homepage

    Home schooling is a great way to ensure that your children get the same singular viewpoint and misinformation that their parents grew up with, and that they aren't burdened by the intellectual challenge of deciding which of the conflicting ideas they might encounter from classmates and teachers, is correct.

    Just as a healthy immune system needs exposure to a variety of germs during the formative years (with some vaccinations to take care of the worst ones), a healthy intellect needs exposure to a variety of ideas, good and bad. Involved parents at home help to quash the most irredeemable ideas that kids will be exposed to (like vaccines do), while letting children reach their own conclusions about the rest of them (and generally landing pretty close to the tree).

    It's bad enough that adults are increasingly getting all of their news and information from singular ideological sources (Fox News, HuffPo, etc), but to restrict the intellectual diet of a child to what Mom and Dad teach them will isolate them before they even leave the nest. One of the great achievements of the American publication education system in the 20th century – something that was worth breaking down separate-but-equal to accomplish – was to bring together children of different ethnicities, religions, races, and even (to some extent) economic classes, teaching them a shared history and a shared set of values. Which they learned as much from each other as from the teacher. As a member of a Middle-Class White Protestant Republican family, I'm a better person – a better citizen – now because of the time I spent learning side by side with kids who weren't all of those things ... and in some cases none of them.

  • No, homeschoolers do NOT outperform schools. There are NO studies comparing the outcomes of homeschooling and public schools. All the current assessments are based on self-selected tests administered by _parents_.
  • As I was homeschooled, my person experience - it was excellent. As for arguments against "social experiences / mono culture" I would argue that depends on the environment, as schools do not necessarily promote great social culture /etc. In high school years I selected all my own course material,, this allowed me to do college level computer science courses during high school, I was doing C and x86 assembly, and programming EPROM chips, while my friends in local schools were lucky if they got an Apple ][ wi
  • We've started homeschooling our kids after a couple of years in public schools. I won't go into why, but our kids are happier and less-stressed and they are learning at acclerated rates. Not having a rigid school schedule allows for more flexibiity with extra-curricular activities and they school day is leaner and not packed with redundancy that stifles curiosity.

    If you home school, the biggest challenge will be finding curriculum. There are lots out there--some kooky some good. The reason most people home

  • Pros and Cons (Score:5, Informative)

    by unimacs ( 597299 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:46AM (#48976655)
    We only homeschooled for a year but here's how I see it:

    Pros:
    Academics - sky is the limit
    Flexible Schedule
    Can be tailored to suit the individual child
    Have more control over who your kid spends their time with*


    Cons:
    Danger of controlling too much of your child's life*
    Expense - you've got to provide all your own materials
    Have to be careful of materials and programs made available to homeschoolers, - often have a political bent
    Takes a lot of time to prepare and execute, - especially as the kids get older
  • I was homeschooled a while ago, under the same non-religious approach you seem to be taking (not that from what I saw of other homeschoolers that aspect really mattered).

    For me, schooling at home was from just after sixth grade until I went to college - but my younger sisters were taken out of traditional school at the same time. One of them was homeschooled all the way from 1st grade until college.

    I would say for all of us it was a big plus. The "social" aspect thing is actually the BEST part of homescho

  • This is sounding a lot like a situation my family is now dealing with, and the results weren't pretty.

    My sister-in-law attempted to homeschool her daughter. It's a bit of a mystery why, because it definitely wasn't the usual religious or political reasons. The sister-in-law did not do well in high school, barely made it to graduation. I can only guess that she didn't want her daughter to have the same terrible experience with school that she had.

    The end result was that starting at age 11, she kept he
  • I had two cousins that were home schooled until high school where they graduated 1st and 2nd in their class. My aunt actually was a certified teacher- I think this is important. If you have misgivings about you wife's motivation and she really hasn't shown an interest in education I really think it would be a mistake.
    I have 'home schooled' my kids in the summer and found that creating lesson plans and going over their assignments after work was exhausting. It is a huge commitment.

  • It's all about socialization, that's pretty important at that age (at any age, really).

    Generally you can find some sort of part-time kindergarten (half days or alternate days), that's a nice way to ease into the school system for your wife and your child. Don't underestimate the difficulty for your wife--but ultimately it is better for both of them to spend some time apart.

    If after a year or two you decide to homeschool for awhile, then that's totally fine.

  • I went to a private school for about 6 years, then completed my education at the local public school, going on to get a couple undergraduate degrees and a postgraduate degree. My wife dropped out of high school and got her equivalency many years later. Now, she wants to homeschool our son.

    I don't see this ending well.

    It is not often these days that you such an extraordinary difference in education between husband and wife. I've seen marriages strained and broken over less.

    Is she thinking of a religious or secular education?
    Traditional or modern approaches to what should be taught and how to teach it?

    I can't speak to why your wife dropped out of school but you both need to be honest about whether she has the makings of a good teacher. You both need to be honest about why she wants to homesc

  • by jsimon12 ( 207119 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @10:14AM (#48979045) Homepage

    The studies that show homeschooling was better were skewed badly.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/l... [patheos.com]

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