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Ask Slashdot: Any Idiosyncrasies of the New Windows 10 April 2018 Update? 149

shanen wants to know if anyone else has noticed any idiosyncrasies of the new Windows 10 April 2018 update, which was released on April 30th (global rollout on May 8): Only two machines so far [are running the new version of Windows 10], but I already noticed a few peculiarities. Do you have any to share? Here are mine so far:

1. Microsoft prefers tightly linking the machine to a Microsoft account, for example via Outlook.com. If you have a machine that is not linked that way, the antivirus software will now attempt to force a link to a Microsoft account. And what is that new PIN supposed to be about?
2. Accessing a gateway on the wrong private network can produce a hard freeze, forcing a hard reset from the power down state. Possibly a serious security vulnerability to the point where I'm not sure I should share the details in public.

Anything you've noticed about the new Windows 10? (Now I have to get back to dealing with the new OS X update and the latest Ubuntu...)
Some of the new features include the ability to resume past activities in timeline, a file sharing feature with nearby devices, a rebuilt Game Bar with a new Fluent design UI, and a diagnostic data viewing tool in the Security and Privacy section. If you want to get the update before the global rollout, you can do so via Check for Updates under Windows Update.
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Ask Slashdot: Any Idiosyncrasies of the New Windows 10 April 2018 Update?

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  • On one of my machines (Lenovo Miix 510-12ISK) it tries to update but on the next reboot it get a blue screen of death, restart and get back to the older OS version. I'm trying to figure it out what can be wrong.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      I think I know what is wrong. You installed Windows on it.
      • Exactly.
      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        When I see stuff like this I feel that there's no point in "upgrading" from Windows 7.

        • There is no upgrade from it from MS
          • Actually, I upgraded my PC and laptop to Win10 from Win7 long after the upgrade window supposedly ended. I don't remember where the instructions were, but it did not involve anything illegal--I went straight to the Microsoft site and got the upgrade.

            In case anyone wonders why, it was so I could get the Linux subsystem for Windows. I do regard the Win7 UI as overall better, so I used ClassicShell and WinAero Tweeker to restore some semblance of elegance. (Otherwise Win7 is to Indiana Jones with Harrison F

        • When I see stuff like this I feel that there's no point in "upgrading" from Windows 7.

          Seems to be the best place to comment on my initial feedback to Microsoft. In summary, I said that NONE of the featured new features interested me at all. What I actually WANT from EVERY upgrade is faster, more secure, and better protection of my private information. I have not yet detected ANY evidence that any of my REAL desires is being addressed by this upgrade.

          So far I would say that the new version is mostly slower, I feel LESS secure with this PIN thing, and I feel no better about entrusting so much

          • No one wants you for a customer. People generally use computers to get shit done, not restrict and make things more private. You can't have a more connected world and be stripped down private OS that kneecaps you on all data going in and out. Find a smaller OS that shares your goals, because a mainstream consumer OS is not for you, and you're an idiot thinking so.
            • by shanen ( 462549 )

              Rather thoughtless and rude ad hominem and vacuous tripe. While I generally disapprove of negative mods, maybe I'd make an exception in cases such as this. If Slashdot supported EPR in a proper way, the effort to damage the reputation might be justified, though it would probably be unneeded as the identity would have already rendered itself invisible.

              But if you [4931623] have nothing to say, why don't you just say nothing?

    • Review the minidump files to find the offending driver or subsystem that's causing it. For an easy to view breakdown, you can use NirSoft's BlueScreenView [nirsoft.net]

    • I've got just that same model and have updated smoothly via Windows Update... Maybe some app causing the error?
    • I had a very similar issue that was fixed by running the Lenovo update tool and it performed an update of the BIOS. Before that update the install failed ~5 times in a row and after the update it succeeded with no issues on the first try. It's worth a try
  • New Drive Letter (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:09AM (#56546134)

    Had a drive letter assigned to one of the system partitions and received notifications that the drive was almost out of space. I removed the drive letter using diskpart.

    • by kerashi ( 917149 )

      This happened to me too, and I wound up doing the same thing.

      The only other thing was the removal of HomeGroup, which forced me to finish fixing my home network just to get printer sharing working again.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        I never understood what HomeGroup was supposed to offer over the previous system of file and printer sharing. The only differences I ever saw were that it had a new wizard, and used a generated PIN, which was next to impossible to find later if you needed to add a new system. Anyone out there who could explain it to me, just to satisfy my curiosity, since the feature is gone in all future versions of Windows.

        • by kerashi ( 917149 )

          It offered a new system that was just as buggy as the old system, but the beauty is that it worked for me when the old system didn't. Now without it I was forced to actually fix the problem that was making my systems undiscoverable to one another, despite all settings being correct. Apparently a necessary service to make them discoverable wasn't firing on any of my 3 Windows 10 computers Fixed that and now it works just as well as it ever did.

  • I ended up with 3 new icons, one for Edge (which I ran once a few years back and don't plan to run again), and 2 for XBox something or other (I've got a PS4). Right click-> delete and bye bye Edge. Same thing on the XBox icons gave the scary warning "This will delete this program from your computer". Didn't really want to do that, but I also didn't want those 2 icons on my main screen so, well, I deleted the damned things.

    Upgraded 2 days ago, no issues yet.
  • by DigiShaman ( 671371 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:17AM (#56546166) Homepage

    Uninstall the CheckPoint VPN client first if you have it installed.

    During the upgrade process, it took an exceedingly long time than normal for a system with an i7 and NVMe drive (about an hour). Turns out that after it booted up, my entire TCP/IP stack wasn't working with any of my NICs. (Yellow bang next to all of them in device manager). The issue was te CheckPoint VPN client. Only until after I uninstalled it and rebooted did the issue clear up.

    As for the long installation time, it was timing out attempting to communicate online at which point it was never going to.

    • I've had similar problems after major Win 10 updates with network access for my virtual machines in VMWare Workstation. The problem is the update seems to invalidate certain virtual network adapters (which is also how a VPN sets up a tunnel). In my case, restoring the default network adapters with Workstation's virtual network manager tool clears up the problem (had to deal with it twice so far).
      • Interesting. But just FYI, as far as I'm aware, the VMWare NIC is presented as a "physical" adapter to the OS. However, VPN virtual adapters is something that occurs at the application layer, and fudges itself as a real adapter if only to be part of the Winsock stack.

        But basically, what you just told me that any "NIC" adapter that's either non-compliant or buggy could fail in a Windows 10 upgrade irrespective of the fact it's on bare-metal or within a VM. Good to know. Next time I'll ensure my VPN clients,

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:19AM (#56546172)

    First off my Dell notebook went flawless upgrading and surprisingly fast with SSD. Only noticeable issue was possibly Chrome browser hanging sometimes with some sites. My wife's HP notebook had a more significantly long upgrade taking over two hours to download and upgrade. But her's runs way more apps and has significantly more files besides having a slow (5400) spin drive. The other issue is of course the upgrade reverts some defaults back to Microsoft products. Like PDF viewer which I set to Chrome and it defaulted back to Edge. This is a typical and expected complaint of upgrading and it appears Microsoft has still not learned to respect the users choice of defaults. Otherwise I don't give a shit about any of the new features, or Edge or anything other then don't break the shit I use!

    • I wish there were more mentions of that browser hang... Chrome in your case, but I just had a second hard hang with this machine. Pretty sure both of mine were with Firefox.

      The first crash requiring power off is mentioned as part of the original story at the top, but I thought it was a network problem and now I'm inclined to suspect it was actually a Firefox crash that just coincidentally happened at that time. The second was a few minutes ago as I attempted to respond to this story... No idea of what the t

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:19AM (#56546174)
    I have a couple of older laptops and machines that are no longer supported by the drivers in Windows 10 automatic upgrades. Yet, they still try to apply themselves again. And again. And again; wasting gigabyte bandwidth and hours of time with each futile attempt.

    Thank {deity} for the Windows tool that allows you to selectively disable major "upgrades" like this.
    • If you have incompatible hardware, why run Windows 10? The primary job of an Operating System is to interact with the Hardware. If Windows 10 can't use it, why use Windows 10? Downgrade to Windows 7 (Or Linux (If Linux supports that hardware)), Replace the old hardware.
      Having done software development, I understand we cant keep supporting legacy hardware forever, because that will prevent us getting the new features of the newer hardware. However if you need that hardware you should owe it to yourself t

      • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:39AM (#56546278)
        He's referring to older versions of Windows that keep trying to upgrade. They download the hardware check software, discover that the hardware is incomparable, and stop. But, they try again the next month.
      • You mean UP-grade to Windows 7. FTFY.
      • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:40AM (#56546550) Homepage

        The hardware is not incompatible with Windows 10 (if it's like the many I've dealt with), but Windows thinks it has a "better" graphics driver than the one you're using. Their "better" driver doesn't work at all. So you can roll back and block that driver. Next semi-annual update of Windows, the exact same driver has a new version number and new timestamp and you go through the whole process all over again.

        Granted, this is usually AMD hardware that only works with a Windows 8 driver, but the fact is that it works until MS breaks it again.

      • >> If you have incompatible hardware, why run Windows 10?

        PREVIOUS versions of Windows 10 were compatible with the hardware, and they run great! (Remember how one of Windows 10's pitches was faster startup and leaner running?) That's how I got it installed. But Microsoft drops some device compatibility with each of these unnecessary and unwanted "feature" releases. I really just want the security patches.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    My life in general improved significantly after the upgrade. I swear the birds a chirping more happily, and the sky is a more beautiful shade of blue (Azure, perhaps?). My GF has started giving me wakeup BJs every morning this week, I got a raise at work after only 4 months after my last one, and Fortnite rocks. Fuck this is an amazing upgrade.
    • I can't sleep more than 30 minutes without waking in pain or having to pee, wake up exhausted, fail at giving myself a limp-willied handbeezy while thinking of some Netflix chick, and arrive late to work and ulcerate at the amount of hours I need to stay to keep up.

      This has been the result of the first upgrade to Windows 2.11.

    • Pfft. Once you install Linux, you won't need any of those.
  • I noticed that seemed to be sending all my data to Microsoft. Is that normal?
    • I noticed that seemed to be sending all my data to Microsoft. Is that normal?

      Maybe it's part of a free backup service? You just have to do your recovery via the FBI or NSA, depending on where you live. If you've been an especially bad boy, you may have to appeal directly to Herr Donald. (Don't worry. He also don't read Slashdot.)

      I'd give you the funny mod if I ever had a mod point to give. Unfortunately at this point I think that upgrades of the Slashdot moderation system are not coming... EVER.

      Also thanks for reminding me of my initial feedback to MS, but I'll share that in another

  • by Anonymous Coward

    "Apps" (not just Store apps, but also win32) have microphone blocked by default. You need to go to "Microphone privacy settings" and turn on "Allow apps to access your microphone." I was able to do this to get a win32 application working, even with all the individual apps under "Choose which apps can access your microphone" set to "Off."

    More details here: https://superuser.com/questions/1291985/microphone-not-working-on-windows-10-version-1803-insider-preview

    • Thank you! That solved my problems with WSJT-X, FLDIGI and Audacity.

    • News to me
      Each time I install Win 10, I must go into Setting to set them to off. None of them are off by default.
      Also, what on the win32 apps? They can still use my mic with this off.
    • OK. I see what you mean.
      What the actually fuck. That is terrible. And stupid. And horseshit.
      At the very fucking least, keep the win32 and UWP separate.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    How many Slashdot users login from Windows? It would be nice to have the stats. Yea, I know, "I have to use it in the office, yada-yada". I also use it in the office for testing purposes (in a VM). But you are not supposed to use your work computer for Slashdot, right? :) I assume most people here use their own computer or mobile device. It would be nice to have the splits between OS and browsers.

    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      Many companies offer, as an employee retention perk, the privilege to use company equipment for personal web browsing while on break.

  • program problems (Score:4, Informative)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @09:37AM (#56546258)
    Just more of the same problems. Windows screwing up some problems with DAX drivers and Virtual Serial ports. The temporary fix is to uninstall the software with a program like Revo, remove everything involved with the programs, then reinstalling them all over again.
  • Logitech Setpoint customizations (such as Universal Scrolling) no longer works in UWP apps. It still works fine in desktop apps such as Internet Explorer but does not work in: Microsoft Edge, or the Office365 version of Office 2016. It worked fine the day before 1803 was installed. Uninstall/reinstall of Setpoint and the Logitech mouse driver does not fix it.

    The other thing I noticed is that it is no longer possible to select the color black for your Windows 10 theme color, it forces the color to be gray instead.

  • I've got a stable system that I like. Other than security updates, I don't want other changes.

    I wish MS had stopped at Windows 7. But, you know, money...

    • Upgrade to Win 7, block downgrades to Win 10 :)
    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @10:25AM (#56546472)

      Switch to the "Semi-Annual Channel" rather than the "Targetted" one in the Windows Update Advanced settings. If you want a truly stable system you shouldn't be using the Targetted channel. If you don't have this option, upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, you're a tech head on a news for nerds site. Chances are you shouldn't be running the version targetted at common folk anyway.

      • by mea2214 ( 935585 )
        In other words, if you don't want MS to break your computer, pay MS some money and upgrade. I was forced to buy a Windows 10 license because you can't buy an OEM PC without paying the Dane Geld.
        • In other words, if you don't want MS to break your computer, pay MS some money and upgrade.

          Pay peanuts and get monkeys.

          Surprise, running the discounted stuff gets you all the joys of reduced functionality and adverts in your face. Wasn't that always the big complaints about the Android platform and why the iPhone with it's far larger ratio of non-free apps was superior?

    • I wish MS had stopped at Windows 7. But, you know, money...

      I stopped MSing at Windows 7. My other machine runs Linux. Even my Win7 machine dual-boots into Linux, for emergencies. Just say no.

      • I'm doing game development in Unity with Visual Studio integration (it's actually a very nice situation), so I'm stuck with Windows 10.

        Oddly enough, the current game was suggested by my 8 year old son, and it involves the latter part of your user name...

        His twin sister suggested something with cats, we are working on the design concepts while I code her brother's game.

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Hear, hear! Another case of wishing that I sometimes had a mod point to give you.

      Longer reaction in my comment about my initial feedback to Microsoft. I even think you would agree with me that more speed and more privacy would not be bad. (Security was the second item on my three-item list.)

  • Having to back up my data and do a clean install because the update won't install on my generic Dell laptop? No. No problems at all.
  • Does it overwrite grub on my duel boot machine like the last update did?
    • Why wouldn't it? Checking and ensuring the boot load is exactly as windows expects it to be is a standard part of any OS installation. Running apt-get dist-upgrade will also overwrite grub. The only difference is you're already running it so nothing unexpected occurs :-)

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      I didn't have any overwrite of GRUB on that machine (an oldish Toshiba). However I didn't have that problem with any of the recent updates of Windows. Pretty sure that machine was a multi-booter even under Windows 7 many years ago. (I only have three multi-booters now, and most of my machines are single OS boxen. All of them are getting increasingly old and decrepit, but it seems all my new machines are smartphones these days...)

    • It did not touch Grub, but surely made my Linux installation unusable - it started to hang on system start. It does boot into recovery mode but returns to it whenever I try to full boot from it. I'm still trying to figure out the problem. (If somebody knows the cause, please reply!)
  • Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
  • Hasn't had any effect at all on my Debian boxen, AFAICT.

    I do continue to wonder why anyone uses Windows, though. My kids use it for gaming; I get that, sort of.

    • Sigh, how /. has fallen. Questioning why people would use Windows gets you a Troll moderation. I could understand Offtopic, sort of, but Troll?
  • The April 30 Update breaks my HP Elite x2 1012 G2: The Intel HD Graphics 620 driver stops working. The HP Elite USB-C Dock G3 stops connecting. Neither Microsoft or HP seem interested in fix my issue.
    • They don't want to fix the issue, because, since your computer doesn'T work, you will have to buy another one. profit for them.

    • Hi, I realise this is a few days old, but I wanted to let you know that I had the same issue on Tuesday and immediately reported it to HP. I managed to get through the first line of defence and finally got contacted by an L3. It appears that the WHQL drivers are not signed sufficiently on the HP modified version of the Intel HD Graphics 620 and they are working to get that through testing. Intel released their updated driver on the 30th April, which didn't really give HP any time to fix the issue, but th
  • I have two computers with the new version.

    Both of them ask me at every startup to add a faceID and a new code (4 digits code) to replace my password. I didn't find a way to get these nag screen off.

    All menu in Chrome are not transparent without text... I manage to update chrome to the last version with the same result.

    Displaylink need to be updated, if you use it.

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Pretty sure the nag screen you are talking about is part of the new security system. You may have better visibility on what is going on there if you come at it from the security settings, though I went in from the shield icon accessed from the task bar.

      Now you have me wondering about the face ID thing, since neither of my machines asked me about it. Least not that I noticed. I did set up the PINs, but consider that less secure than before. Just another nuisance to be remembered and another link in the long

  • If you have a Intel Kaby Lake processor (newer), use Intel graphics, and Google Chrome then don't upgrade. https://bugs.chromium.org/p/ch... [chromium.org] The newer ThinkPads all hit this combo.
  • Sooooo damn glad I quit pissing up a rope while using MS software. I used/supported Windows (and everything that goes with it) for 20 years as a sysadmin. When I retired in 2010, I decided I was DONE with anything MS.. Now Linux powers all my personal computers and quite a few friends/neighbors/relatives. These were done after they learned what *their* computers were spewing out into MS's greedy servers.. Now, reading these endless reports of the latest effort on MS's part to fuck up the world's computers,

  • They did that thing in Windows 8.1 and I spend a day getting rid of it (I didn't know how to bypass it in the installation). My system is usually down for a day on major Windows 10 upgrades. Fortunately my main system is a Mac. And I usually wait a few months before doing updates.
    • There's literally no need for a Microsoft account to exist, they just added this as a means of spying and getting you locked in to their ecosystem. I found it absurd that their "Mail" metro app required a Microsoft account to start up when the actual mail account is something else.

      • There is one (and the only) good reason: You can attach/transfer your Windows software key to your Microsoft account and this enables you to install and activate Win10 on any newly built or upgraded system without having to deal with Microsoft's tech support line.

        I've used it a few times now when replacing the internals on my wife's machine - if you replace the motherboard, cpu, etc you normally will have to get Windows reactivated manually by one of their tech support operators (not sure how many activatio

        • Microsoft really should just make it free. It already comes with advertisements and promotions of certain apps. Windows sole purpose at this point seems to be to support sales of its other software, such as Office, dev tools, back office server applications, etc. Note that I got Windows 8 Pro for $14.95, it's not a big stretch to drop that to $0.00.

  • by DarkRookie ( 5030953 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @03:16PM (#56548948)
    It uninstalled RSAT yet again
    Installed those bullshit UWP apps again
    Enabled Cortana again
    Made the web search from the Start Menu harder to remove
    Searching Internet Explorer on Start bring Edge up each time
    Timeline is broken, disable when I removed the UWP garbage, or only works with a handful of apps.
    All kinds of new bullshit to turn off in Settings
    Turning back off all of the things that were turned back on
    Added folders back to This PC
    Still cant search when trying to set a default program by extension in Settings

    One descent feature I found was the ability to force scroll bars to always show.

    So all kinds of them.
    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Thanks for the useful list and again I wish I had a mod point to give you. Hmm... Maybe Slashdot could "reward" submissions with a couple of mod points?

      Mostly interesting items, but reminded me I need to make another attempt to figure out what that Cortana thing is. Been ignoring it for a while now, but maybe it's relevant for something.

  • NOT impressed with the PIN idea, though one of the things it does is create a "shortcut" for unlocking the display. The obvious problem is PIN number fatigue and collapse, as in people who start reusing PINs because they have too many of them or who start writing them down in insufficiently secure places to keep track.

    Just another layer of security confusion that I didn't need, but a black-hat hacker is always happy to see another layer of security. The longer the chain, the more likely there's a weak link

  • I seem to have this burning rash on my rear and watery eyes after upgrading to 1803. Is this normal?

  • by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @03:44PM (#56549222)

    I upgraded my desktop, and I don't see any issues. I haven't tried any of the "new features"; they didn't seem compelling to me.

    My laptop, though... The hard drive is encrypted with VeraCrypt, and the usual update process fails, of course.

    The canonical solution is to un-encrypt your drive, do the update, then re-encrypt it. Since encrypt the whole drive takes about 12 hours, I'm not doing that.

    However, I found this nifty little page:

    https://github.com/th-wilde/ve... [github.com]

    I created an install directory from the Microsoft page, copied this into it and ran it. It patches the Windows files with the Veracrypt drivers. Then run setup.exe in an administrator cmd shell, and there you go.

    I hope... It's well into the process now, "Working on updates 12% Don't turn off your PC. This will take a while. Your PC will restart several times".

    Normal major update, in other words.

    If it fails, I'll post the tale of woe here, but it looks like it's going OK. I've seen several postings on GitHub that it works with 1803.

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Another interesting comment I wish that I could reward with a mod point (at least). Gives me some pause about one of the pending machines... (That and my network constraints.)

    • It worked. My laptop is now on 1803, still VeraCrypted, and I didn't have to do the two day decrypt/upgrade/encrypt slog.

      Kudos to th-wilde on GitHub.

  • I run Windows 10, and my method is that I format my computer annually, install all of the updates available up until that point, and then kill all the update processes with fire. A combination of file and folder permissions, deletion of executable and DLL files...whatever it takes to ensure my computer literally cannot run Windows Update.

    Let's address some of the counterarguments with this system:

    "but Voyager, aren't you missing out on the latest features?"
    No. See, Windows is still my OS because it does pre

  • Not sure if I have any such responsibility as the source of the original story, but I have read most of the comments (that were visible with my settings), and found many of them interesting and thought-provoking, though not as informative as I had hoped. The first comments did scare me a bit since it was certainly not my attention to trigger another OS war, but those branches faded out quietly and quickly enough. I do wish I'd had some mod points for some of the better comments, but all I can actually do is

  • That is an understatement. I got it to the desktop a number of times and then it finally gave up and now I think that I've had to take it to my computer shop to get the start up to work. they are going to have to wipe the hard drive to get windows 10 to function right.

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